Perfect Cartoon of Iran and the UN

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: IdioticBuffoon

Originally posted by: Genx87
The world is on our side in this situation, huge difference from 03.

No, the world is NOT on YOUR side. And it wouldn't be so if you repeat it a hundred times.

The world may be against Iran and against the remarks of its president, but you can't ASSUME that it's on YOUR side.

YOUR side means "nuking it" or "turning it into glass" or the other crazy ideas warmongers get from time to time.

YOUR side is almost always confrontational. That's why the world isn't a big fan of YOU.

Case in point: the world is not on YOUR side just because you SAY SO.

HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Uh wrong, the UN and the EU are very concerned with this and are actively working on the issue. Dont pretend to know what "my" side is saying because you obviously lack the resources to grasp the nature of this problem.

Clearly something needs to be done to stop Iran from going Nuclear. Turning it into a sheet of glass wont happen, nor doesnt anybody want it to come to that.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: homercles337

Originally posted by: Genx87

Same thing happened with Iraq. E x a c t s a m e t h i n g.

Actually the exact same thing happened with N. Korea. What was the outcome of that failure?

The main difference is Iran is overt while N. Korea was secretive.

This from the dope that likes to post in threads about the need for MORE nukular plants in the states. Yup... The absolute, certain hypocrisy, and idiocy of the right is simply astounding. Astounding!

Huh? Is your brain working? Check for a buzzing sound, maybe it hasnt turned on yet.
You dont think we need more nuclear facilities in the United States to help with our power consumption?

And what does that have to do with Iran going nuclear?

Sometimes you people make this way too easy.

 

[kage69]

Yep, that pretty much nails it. Reminds me of the Qaddafi rhetoric back in the Reagan days.


"Any American who crosses this line will die!"

"Ok, any American crossing this line, will die!"

"No, this line!"

 

[ajaxtala]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: ajaxtala
It's selfish because you want your children to be safe at the expense of other peoples'.

Thats oversimplificatation to the power of oh about 1,000,000.
But here you can borrow my Rose colored spectacles, I'm not using them anymore.:frown:

The fact of the matter is that at least in Iraq, the situation is much more dangerous than it was with Saddam in power. We nuetralized an exaggerated threat to the US but unleashed a monster on the Iraqi civilians.
And that is selfish regardless of the color of your spectacles.
30k+ dead Iraqis so your children can be safe from Saddam's (replace with Ahmadinejad) "WMD" threat is selfish.
It's understandable to want a safe environment for one's children but there comes a certain level of responsibility. Being reckless in the pursuit of your own "natural instinct", and disregarding other people's rights is selfish.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: conjur
:roll:


Yeah, being against the Israeli gov't aggressive behavior and terrorist actions means people are anti-Semites.


:roll:

you're only an anti-semite since Israel is on the winning side. on the flip side, if they were on the losing side, you'd be pro-israel liberal jewish loving heathen

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: kage69
Yep, that pretty much nails it. Reminds me of the Qaddafi rhetoric back in the Reagan days.


"Any American who crosses this line will die!"

"Ok, any American crossing this line, will die!"

"No, this line!"

So this means we keep "crossing the line" until we get slapped back ala 9/11?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: ajaxtala

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: ajaxtala
It's selfish because you want your children to be safe at the expense of other peoples'.

Thats oversimplificatation to the power of oh about 1,000,000.
But here you can borrow my Rose colored spectacles, I'm not using them anymore.:frown:

The fact of the matter is that at least in Iraq, the situation is much more dangerous than it was with Saddam in power. We nuetralized an exaggerated threat to the US but unleashed a monster on the Iraqi civilians.
And that is selfish regardless of the color of your spectacles.
30k+ dead Iraqis so your children can be safe from Saddam's (replace with Ahmadinejad) "WMD" threat is selfish.
It's understandable to want a safe environment for one's children but there comes a certain level of responsibility. Being reckless in the pursuit of your own "natural instinct", and disregarding other people's rights is selfish.

lol. do you have any idea how many mass graves there were under Sadamms reign? And they are still finding them...and sadly most of the Iraqi deaths are being caused by other Iraqi's not US forces.

 

[Scarpozzi]

NICE.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: ajaxtala

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: ajaxtala
It's selfish because you want your children to be safe at the expense of other peoples'.

Thats oversimplificatation to the power of oh about 1,000,000.
But here you can borrow my Rose colored spectacles, I'm not using them anymore.:frown:

The fact of the matter is that at least in Iraq, the situation is much more dangerous than it was with Saddam in power. We nuetralized an exaggerated threat to the US but unleashed a monster on the Iraqi civilians.
And that is selfish regardless of the color of your spectacles.
30k+ dead Iraqis so your children can be safe from Saddam's (replace with Ahmadinejad) "WMD" threat is selfish.
It's understandable to want a safe environment for one's children but there comes a certain level of responsibility. Being reckless in the pursuit of your own "natural instinct", and disregarding other people's rights is selfish.

lol. do you have any idea how many mass graves there were under Sadamms reign? And they are still finding them...and sadly most of the Iraqi deaths are being caused by other Iraqi's not US forces.

And we opened the door wide open for these guys to come in. You might as well have dropped black frat guys at a drunken KKK rally and then blamed everyone but yourself.

For that matter, Bush created this Iran situation. Remember 9/11? Well there was one country in the region who held rallies in support of the US. Remember where that was? Iran. Moderates held considerable power in Iran. Then we got that stupid Axis of Evil crap with Iran on the bad guy list and those same friendly Iranians were going WTF? Well they were driven underground and out of power. Again we open the door for the kooks.

High crude prices? Yep, all a domino effect of Bush. It was said that Saddam made the region unstable. The oil market is a pretty good indicator of stability. Only once we started shooting did it go up, and now this dog crap on our shoes in the form of the Iran. It took a first class fool to make the middle east even worse than with Saddam. We had those made to order in the form of Bush and his supporters.

 

[HardWarrior]

Originally posted by: daniel49
lol.

Interesting place to toss in a chuckle.

do you have any idea how many mass graves there were under Sadamms reign?

Lots of which were filled during the time when the US was best buds with him. Also, you might want to factor in the Iran\Iraq war as a major filler of those oh-so-terrible mass graves. Anyway, why do you care? There are mass braves in lots of places. Should the US, bringer of justice and democracy, invade every country, dig up all the bodies and assign blame?

And they are still finding them...and sadly most of the Iraqi deaths are being caused by other Iraqi's not US forces.

Sadly? I can tell that you're very grief-stricken and all, but you seem to be implying that if these graves were filled by US forces (the ones we're responsible for will be found later, of course) it wouldn't be quite as sad.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Doesen't matter to them, they are empowered with the concept of turning this country into a rouge state the world cannot stand.

Cooperate? feh thats commie stuff, we are the mightiest nation in the world, noone can beat us and everyone should fear us.

It's about time for the UN to draw some lines for the US actually.

Another gem by steeplerot, proving he is nothing more than an angry anti-american liberal!

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: ajaxtala

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: ajaxtala
It's selfish because you want your children to be safe at the expense of other peoples'.

Thats oversimplificatation to the power of oh about 1,000,000.
But here you can borrow my Rose colored spectacles, I'm not using them anymore.:frown:

The fact of the matter is that at least in Iraq, the situation is much more dangerous than it was with Saddam in power. We nuetralized an exaggerated threat to the US but unleashed a monster on the Iraqi civilians.
And that is selfish regardless of the color of your spectacles.
30k+ dead Iraqis so your children can be safe from Saddam's (replace with Ahmadinejad) "WMD" threat is selfish.
It's understandable to want a safe environment for one's children but there comes a certain level of responsibility. Being reckless in the pursuit of your own "natural instinct", and disregarding other people's rights is selfish.

lol. do you have any idea how many mass graves there were under Sadamms reign? And they are still finding them...and sadly most of the Iraqi deaths are being caused by other Iraqi's not US forces.

And we opened the door wide open for these guys to come in. You might as well have dropped black frat guys at a drunken KKK rally and then blamed everyone but yourself.

For that matter, Bush created this Iran situation. Remember 9/11? Well there was one country in the region who held rallies in support of the US. Remember where that was? Iran. Moderates held considerable power in Iran. Then we got that stupid Axis of Evil crap with Iran on the bad guy list and those same friendly Iranians were going WTF? Well they were driven underground and out of power. Again we open the door for the kooks.

High crude prices? Yep, all a domino effect of Bush. It was said that Saddam made the region unstable. The oil market is a pretty good indicator of stability. Only once we started shooting did it go up, and now this dog crap on our shoes in the form of the Iran. It took a first class fool to make the middle east even worse than with Saddam. We had those made to order in the form of Bush and his supporters.

I luv the way you guys always forget about the butcher of Baghdad, and kinda gloss over him like he treated Iraqi's so well.
He reigned over them with fist of Iron, crushing any sign of freedom.
This was esp true with shia and kurdish Iraqi's who were murdered by the busloads for not being sunni. Yes, it was stable. stable built on mass graves, opression, and tyranny.
Bush had a desire to change this, will he succeed? Many doubt it.

But I am sure you will just gloss over this again and start ranting bad usa bad usa again.
We may not succeed but failure is certain if you never try.

 

[conjur]

What mass graves? A few thousand bodies have been found but nothing anywhere near approaching the hundreds of thousands mentioned before the invasion. As for the killing of Kurds and Shiites, the majority of those occurred right after 1991 Gulf War when the US encouraged those groups to rise up against Saddam and then sat back and watched them be slaughtered. Although, I suppose Saddam was supposed to just do nothing and allow himself to be overthrown? Would have been great if he had been but what leader of any nation is going to go down without a fight in a situation like that?

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Doesen't matter to them, they are empowered with the concept of turning this country into a rouge state the world cannot stand.

Cooperate? feh thats commie stuff, we are the mightiest nation in the world, noone can beat us and everyone should fear us.

It's about time for the UN to draw some lines for the US actually.

Another gem by steeplerot, proving he is nothing more than an angry anti-american liberal!

Also a makeup connoisseur. Hell, I bet he's a ninja too.

 

[BrokenVisage]

A winner!

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: conjur
What mass graves? A few thousand bodies have been found but nothing anywhere near approaching the hundreds of thousands mentioned before the invasion. As for the killing of Kurds and Shiites, the majority of those occurred right after 1991 Gulf War when the US encouraged those groups to rise up against Saddam and then sat back and watched them be slaughtered. Although, I suppose Saddam was supposed to just do nothing and allow himself to be overthrown? Would have been great if he had been but what leader of any nation is going to go down without a fight in a situation like that?

Study the graph carefully, let me know if you need help

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7050...Iraq%20Pre%20and%20Post%20Saddam.2.jpg

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: lozina
The cartoon is implying that Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons. *sigh* Have we already forgotten the lies from 2003? Do people have that much of a memory problem that they have forgotten what happens when they jump to conclusions without any evidence? United States of Amnesia it is...

Their progress will give them the capacity to develop nuclear weapons, and by then it is already too late

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: lozina
The cartoon is implying that Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons. *sigh* Have we already forgotten the lies from 2003? Do people have that much of a memory problem that they have forgotten what happens when they jump to conclusions without any evidence? United States of Amnesia it is...

Their progress will give them the capacity to develop nuclear weapons, and by then it is already too late

He supports them because their rhetoric implies that they will use nuclear weapons against Israel as soon as they're developed. Since lozina hates Israel and believes that the land should go back to being a desert that can barely support life, he supports the Iranian efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

And don't let anyone tell you that the research is for peaceful purposes. It is perfectly clear (even without their rejection of the Russian uranium enrichment offer) that their intent is to produce nuclear weapons. And as much as the liberal in me hates to say it, they simply can't be trusted with something like that... at least not at this point, when the clash of civilizations is so close to spilling out into open war.

 

[JEDIYoda]

The UN is and has been the most ineffective agency in the history of the world!!
Its funny that people liek Steeplerot says the UN is a good thing!!

But thats why I keep coming back to these forums so i can get a good laugh!!!

Aimster hit the nail on the head in describing steeplerot!!

 

[Drift3r]

The UN is the reason why we are the world's only superpower. The ability to create binding agreements with many nations in one spot, to leverage our foriegn political and economic influence after WW2 has a lot to do with the creation and our participation with the UN. If you call for the dismantling of the UN then you are calling for the dismantling of U.S. foriegn policy which has revolved around the use of the UN as a means to a end.

 

[ajaxtala]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: conjur
What mass graves? A few thousand bodies have been found but nothing anywhere near approaching the hundreds of thousands mentioned before the invasion. As for the killing of Kurds and Shiites, the majority of those occurred right after 1991 Gulf War when the US encouraged those groups to rise up against Saddam and then sat back and watched them be slaughtered. Although, I suppose Saddam was supposed to just do nothing and allow himself to be overthrown? Would have been great if he had been but what leader of any nation is going to go down without a fight in a situation like that?

Study the graph carefully, let me know if you need help

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7050...Iraq%20Pre%20and%20Post%20Saddam.2.jpg

Are you serious?

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: blackllotus

Originally posted by: lozina
The cartoon is implying that Iran is working on developing nuclear weapons. *sigh* Have we already forgotten the lies from 2003? Do people have that much of a memory problem that they have forgotten what happens when they jump to conclusions without any evidence? United States of Amnesia it is...

Their progress will give them the capacity to develop nuclear weapons, and by then it is already too late

He supports them because their rhetoric implies that they will use nuclear weapons against Israel as soon as they're developed. Since lozina hates Israel and believes that the land should go back to being a desert that can barely support life, he supports the Iranian efforts to develop nuclear weapons.

Why stop there? Keep going... "lozina is anti-semitic", "lozina is a neo-nazi", "lozina is a pedophile".

Do any of your baseless personal attacks help your argument? Not in the least.

Iran's current President might say some stupid things, but only a knuckle-head would truly believe they would use nukes on Israel, assuming they'd ever even develop nukes in the first place, which there is zero zilch nada evidence to support. Even doctors should realize this.

 

[lockheed2266]

lol, the only thing is it missing are more fat socialist men much like Ted kennedy, and it would be perfect.

 

[raildogg]

If Iran isn't going to build a nuclear weapon like they say, they sure do have all the parts and equipment for making one.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: ajaxtala

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: conjur
What mass graves? A few thousand bodies have been found but nothing anywhere near approaching the hundreds of thousands mentioned before the invasion. As for the killing of Kurds and Shiites, the majority of those occurred right after 1991 Gulf War when the US encouraged those groups to rise up against Saddam and then sat back and watched them be slaughtered. Although, I suppose Saddam was supposed to just do nothing and allow himself to be overthrown? Would have been great if he had been but what leader of any nation is going to go down without a fight in a situation like that?

Study the graph carefully, let me know if you need help

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7050...Iraq%20Pre%20and%20Post%20Saddam.2.jpg

Are you serious?

yes, I would be willing to help him read it