pepsi throwback round2 (Necroed, so round 3)

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Crono

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I absolutely LOVED IT in the summer of 2009 for the first release.......

ROUND 2 in december IT WAS DISGUSTING!!!!!!! -- They changed the sugar they used to make it cheaper for themselves... STUPID IDIOTS!!!!!!! (I think they went to Cane sugar instead of the other kind (or vise versa,not sure) they used for the first release))

I havent liked it since really...........

Cane sugar is the good stuff. I think Monster Cuba Lima uses cane sugar (if I'm not mistaken - it definitely uses sugar and not corn syrup), and it tastes delicious. Not a lot of sodas in the U.S. use it because corn syrup is cheaper and beets are grown stateside.

Some stores and markets carry the raw cane (looks like bamboo). Tasty even to cut it up into little strips and chew on it.
 
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Carson Dyle

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Cane sugar is the good stuff. I think Monster Cuba Lima uses cane sugar (if I'm not mistaken - it definitely uses sugar and not corn syrup), and it tastes delicious. Not a lot of sodas in the U.S. use it because corn syrup is cheaper and beets are grown stateside.

Some stores and markets carry the raw cane (looks like bamboo). Tasty even to cut it up into little strips and chew on it.

The reason that sugar, in general, is no longer used is that the US sugar industry's lobbying efforts have kept high tariffs on imported sugar, which artificially inflates domestic sugar prices. I imagine HFC might still be cheaper, even without the tariffs, but the difference would be significantly less.

Sugarcane is grown in the US, mostly in Florida and Louisiana, while sugar beets are grown all across the midwest and western US.

According to the USDA:

Since the mid-1990s, sugarcane has accounted for about 45 percent of the total sugar produced domestically, and sugar beets for about 55 percent of production.

http://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/crops/sugar-sweeteners/background.aspx

Unless all of that cane sugar is going into only baking cookies and Domino and C&H bags on grocery store shelves, I would imagine it would be used in soda production as well.
 

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The reason that sugar, in general, is no longer used is that the US sugar industry's lobbying efforts have kept high tariffs on imported sugar, which artificially inflates domestic sugar prices. I imagine HFC might still be cheaper, even without the tariffs, but the difference would be significantly less.

Sugarcane is grown in the US, mostly in Florida and Louisiana, while sugar beets are grown all across the midwest and western US.

According to the USDA:



Unless all of that cane sugar is going into only baking cookies and Domino and C&H bags on grocery store shelves, I would imagine it would be used in soda production as well.

I'm sure cane sugar is being used in some premium brand sodas and the Throwback versions, but even if it's almost half the total amount of sugar, it's probably not in half the sugar containing sodas - which themselves are a small portion of the total soda market. We need a lot more sugar cane than what the two or three states that grow it are providing.
 
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Other than HFCS, refined sugar almost always from sugar beets. Not cane.

In the US this is true. But can sugar is a lot cheaper to import and grow elsewhere in the world. I think there's a few other sources of "table sugar" too, but beet sugar and cane sugar are the two main ones.

I think this is changing some though as the trade deals with Mexico is opening up import of cane sugar some if I remember right. Also the cut in corn subsidies probably has lessened HFCS price advantage in the US some.

But really the biggest factor in using "real sugar" lately is just the anti-HFCS sentiment. They're largely not doing jack shit to reduce the sugar they put into foods (and are actually resorting to worse means by trying to use ones that they can label as things that don't sound like sugar). A few companies have though (I recall General Mills was slowly reducing the amount of sugar in their cereals, they decided to do it drawn out as they worried people would notice the reduced sweetness if they did it all at once).

The reason that sugar, in general, is no longer used is that the US sugar industry's lobbying efforts have kept high tariffs on imported sugar, which artificially inflates domestic sugar prices. I imagine HFC might still be cheaper, even without the tariffs, but the difference would be significantly less.

Sugarcane is grown in the US, mostly in Florida and Louisiana, while sugar beets are grown all across the midwest and western US.

According to the USDA:



Unless all of that cane sugar is going into only baking cookies and Domino and C&H bags on grocery store shelves, I would imagine it would be used in soda production as well.

HFCS has other advantages in soft drinks, it mixes easier. That's actually a large part of why it was developed is to be more suitable for blending/mixing (soft drinks being a major one). The "high" mix (the 55/42 version) of HFCS is almost entirely used by the soft drink industry too (like 90% if I remember, but that was a few years ago so it might have changed since).

A lot of food now actually seems to use a variety of sugar. A lot of it is hidden (use names that don't sound like sugar). It's always funny to see "contains no HFCS" and then see it has like 5 different sugars.

I'm sure cane sugar is being used in some premium brand sodas and the Throwback versions, but even if it's almost half the total amount of sugar, it's probably not in half the sugar containing sodas - which themselves are a small portion of the total soda market. We need a lot more sugar cane than what the two or three states that grow it are providing.

Imports have opened up some, and I'd guess that's where a lot of the influx is coming from for the major brands. Produce it in Mexico and truck it to the US. Might be wrong though, and distribution is weird because a lot of them bottle it regionally. But since the cane sugar versions are still niche I could see them trucking them in from elsewhere that the production cost reduction would make up for the cost of importing it.
 
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I love me some Pepsi Throwback. Gloriously delicious.

For the Cherry Pepsi I found I actually prefer the normal HFCS version. The sugar one tasted more bitter and left me feeling like diet versions (where I feel kinda bloated/blah, but also craving carb/sugary foods).

I also remember liking Throwback when it first came out but the more recent ones I didn't like as much. It actually tasted different to me even, although supposedly they didn't change anything between them.

And also I weirdly couldn't tell any real taste difference between Mexican Coke and normal Coke (only real difference I noticed was drinking it from glass bottle versus can).

Granted none of that was blind testing or anything. I've mostly given up drinking any lately so would be interesting to see if things might be different now.
 

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Loved me some Pepsi Throwback but it hasn't been sold in Canada since 2011. Guess it was only a limited time thing. I still have some bottles a friend got me from the States awhile back, but it's probably gone flat or off. Had forgot I had them.
 

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Loved me some Pepsi Throwback but it hasn't been sold in Canada since 2011. Guess it was only a limited time thing. I still have some bottles a friend got me from the States awhile back, but it's probably gone flat or off. Had forgot I had them.

But Pepsi in Canada isn't made with HFCS anyhow is it? I sort of thought all Pepsi in Canada was basically throwback.
 

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But Pepsi in Canada isn't made with HFCS anyhow is it? I sort of thought all Pepsi in Canada was basically throwback.

I hear that a lot from Americans but it's not true. The Canadian food industry uses different terminology for HFCS. It's labelled as "glucose-fructose" instead. Which is what throws people off. Both Coke and Pepsi use corn syrup for all their non-diet soft drinks sold here. As far as I can tell, the US and Canadian versions are identical. Only smaller manufacturers use cane or beet sugar.
 

ControlD

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I hear that a lot from Americans but it's not true. The Canadian food industry uses different terminology for HFCS. It's labelled as "glucose-fructose" instead. Which is what throws people off. Both Coke and Pepsi use corn syrup for all their non-diet soft drinks sold here. As far as I can tell, the US and Canadian versions are identical. Only smaller manufacturers use cane or beet sugar.

Wow. Thanks for the explanation. I travel to Canada fairly often and have seen that labeling and always assumed there wasn't any HFCS used.