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people who skip vaccinations are incredibly selfish

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darkswordsman17 said:
Sorry but this is straight shit logic. You might have a good idea of what diseases you have a higher chance of contracting, but saying you'll never be in position to contract or carry is total horseshit. On top of that, vaccinations can actually help effectively kill the disease by preventing its spread. The potential negative affects of vaccines is far far far outweighed by their benefits (hell even if you believe the full on Jenny McCarthy level of bullshit it's still does).
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Obviously you didn't catch my point.

I was referring to vaccines for STDs. If you're not being an idiot sleeping around then no you'll not be in a position to contract the disease.

Clear enough?

As far as which are "perfectly safe" and which are "dangerous" or "questionable," I don't remember off the top of my head nor do I have a written list. If someone tells me I "need" xyz vaccine then I'll go do some research on it. The only one I'm ever repeatedly told about is the flu, which I do not get. There was something I got in college, but I don't remember what it was called right now.
 
I think a lot of people that are anti vaccine weren't around for when Polio was around, when everybody had the mumps, measles, chicken pox etc...

Too much stoopid. We had a couple of kids when I was in elementary school that had Polio, one in a wheel chair and the other with these massive leg braces. Sad right there if it makes a comeback.
 
Atomic Playboy said:
Every single time I see the thread title I think it says "vacations." And I'm always like... what does he have against people skipping vacations? And then I think about it a little longer, and say, "you know what, yeah, fuck those selfish vacation-skipping douchebags." Only today did I realize it said vaccinations. Now I feel guilty for getting mad at people who skip vacations. So I apologize people with 3,000 hours accumulated in the vacation bank; it's your right to work yourself to death. Just be sure to get all your shots so that death isn't caused by measles or smallpox or some shit; die of work-related stress the way God intended.
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Never had that problem... vaccinations! Now, my last full time job I fancied I was the MVP of the company (until they canned me and escorted me out of the building holding a cardboard box containing my possessions). Really, I didn't see how they could get by without me, so I took no vacations while I was there (almost 2 1/2 years). I got on their case after they layed me off and insisted they pay me for vacation time I didn't use and they did pay up. I didn't take sick days either, and made them pay up for those too.

I have never ever taken a vacation, not counting a two week drive around the American west that I took with my family the summer I turned 14. It just seems so, uh, bushwah.

These people who refuse to have their kids vaccinated, they just seem so ungrateful. Don't they know that life was hellish back in the day before modern medicine? 1/2 the kids never made it to adulthood. The other 1/2 were lucky if they made it to 40, and 90% of those never made it to 70. Death was always skulking, hiding around every corner, and they didn't know why.

The first vaccination was, IIRC, the result of the work of Dr. Alfred Jenner, who noticed that people who worked with cows (vaca in Spanish), and contracted a case of cow pox (a minor ailment in humans), became immune to smallpox. He created an inoculation from the cow pox virus that prevented humans from contracting small pox, formerly a scourge on the human race.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
I think a lot of people that are anti vaccine weren't around for when Polio was around, when everybody had the mumps, measles, chicken pox etc...

Too much stoopid. We had a couple of kids when I was in elementary school that had Polio, one in a wheel chair and the other with these massive leg braces. Sad right there if it makes a comeback.
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Polio was dreaded. When I was a small child it was still raging. It was said you could pick it up in a swimming pool. When the first polio vaccine was introduced it was a great day, it was the 1950's. Soon, the Salk vaccine was everywhere.
 
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NoStateofMind said:
Yep, fuck free will. amiright!?
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It's not free will though, these kids aren't making this call... they can't, they don't know what's happening. It's up to the parents to care for their children, and they aren't doing that. Free will argument means diddly shit if the decision is being made by somebody else.
 
My favorite stupid anti-vax line is: "I'm not getting vaccinated because I've got a super-charged immune system from all the (whatever vitamin or food is currently popular) ".


Well guess what sparky? That fever with chills, aches and pains you get when your sick isn't directly caused by the illness, it's caused by your immune system. Most people take Tylenol or Advil to damp their immune response. If you actually managed to super-charge your immune system you'd problably end up in the hospital every time you got sick. Not to mention the damage from potential auto-immune disorders.

Of course your immune system does function another way. It can wipeout illness it recognizes before they get a hold and trigger the generic immune response. The only way that happens is if you've been exposed to the illness before or had the the vaccine.

So if you want to super-charge your immune system get your damn vaccinations.
 
gorcorps said:
It's not free will though, these kids aren't making this call... they can't, they don't know what's happening. It's up to the parents to care for their children, and they aren't doing that. Free will argument means diddly shit if the decision is being made by somebody else.
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One can say the same thing about gun-owning parents. I guess we should take away the second amendment for the sake of the children and the greater good of public safety. Funny though, that argument will get railroaded into oblivion even though it really is the same damn thing even though you're going to try to argue it's not.
 
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The US is getting to the point where they've reverted to medevil times;
- bowing down to rich people (like the serfs did to kings)
- diseases
- superstitions, lies, etc.
- leaning to the Bible for everything
 
Your thread title is pretty telling since if you look at who doesn't vaccinate it is in deeply blue areas.....and liberals are definitely selfish.
 
SunnyD said:
One can say the same thing about gun-owning parents. I guess we should take away the second amendment for the sake of the children and the greater good of public safety. Funny though, that argument will get railroaded into oblivion even though it really is the same damn thing even though you're going to try to argue it's not.
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How does one send their kid to school and "catch" firearms? I'd sure love to see data which shows that people went to Disney and came home with AK's.
 
Poor people are more likely to have offspring that commit crimes or are a drag on society. For them sterilization should be mandatory. It's best for the herd. They are being selfish.

Thread full of blanket statements and slippery slope, oh wait you are glorious enlightened keyboard warriors who know what is right for everyone and every situation.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
How does one send their kid to school and "catch" firearms? I'd sure love to see data which shows that people went to Disney and came home with AK's.
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Apparently you've never heard of Columbine or Sandy Hook then? Just a couple of small "outbreaks" that have happened.

But more to the point I'm speaking of the kids at home that end up getting into the nightstands and killing their siblings or themselves, etc. Easily preventable deaths simply by preventative measures: Force parents not to have guns. After all, we're talking about the same mentality as mandatory vaccines here.

If you want a police state, do it right or don't do it at all.
 
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Ronstang said:
Your thread title is pretty telling since if you look at who doesn't vaccinate it is in deeply blue areas.....and liberals are definitely selfish.
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As opposed to crusty conservatives who know in absolute terms what is right and wrong, leaving no room for others' opinions... News flash, all partisans are people, and all people tend to be dicks. Your favorite team is no exception, but don't let that stop you from projecting.
 
SparkyJJO said:
Obviously you didn't catch my point.

I was referring to vaccines for STDs. If you're not being an idiot sleeping around then no you'll not be in a position to contract the disease.
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Just what STD vaccine are we talking about here? I can only think of one vaccine that might be considered to be a STD vaccine, the HPV vaccine, which happens to also be one of the most contagious diseases on the entire planet. It is so common that the CDC states that nearly all Americans will contact it sometime in their life, even if they have only one sexual partner. If you think you can skip that vaccine because 'never going to be putting yourself in a position to contract and/or carry the disease in the first place' then you are a damn fool and should stop attempting to do your own research because you are obviously not capable of successfully doing so.
 
SunnyD said:
Apparently you've never heard of Columbine or Sandy Hook then? Just a couple of small "outbreaks" that have happened.

But more to the point I'm speaking of the kids at home that end up getting into the nightstands and killing their siblings or themselves, etc. Easily preventable deaths simply by preventative measures: Force parents not to have guns. After all, we're talking about the same mentality as mandatory vaccines here.

If you want a police state, do it right or don't do it at all.
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You insist on making an equivalence where it does not exist. If someone passes measles along and harm or death is the result, exactly what is the penalty? Oh yeah, the Sandy Hook one, where they just walk away if they wish. Are there irresponsible gun owners? Yes there are. Are there responsible people who subject the community to potentially harmful or deadly disease? No there are not, with the caveat that there are people who cannot have immunizations for medical reasons. You can lock your gun in a safe. If you don't exercise due diligence and harm is a result you can be in a world of hurt. Willfully pass along a deadly disease because you don't want a vaccine? No problem! After all you can have a gun.

How about a real equivalence. Anyone found to be unvaccinated without cause is arrested and subject to the same penalty as carrying an "assault rifle" illegally. If they do have a disease they are treated like those who are attempting to shoot a schoolroom full of kids. Now that's fair.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
You insist on making an equivalence where it does not exist. If someone passes measles along and harm or death is the result, exactly what is the penalty? Oh yeah, the Sandy Hook one, where they just walk away if they wish. Are there irresponsible gun owners? Yes there are. Are there responsible people who subject the community to potentially harmful or deadly disease? No there are not, with the caveat that there are people who cannot have immunizations for medical reasons. You can lock your gun in a safe. If you don't exercise due diligence and harm is a result you can be in a world of hurt. Willfully pass along a deadly disease because you don't want a vaccine? No problem! After all you can have a gun.

How about a real equivalence. Anyone found to be unvaccinated without cause is arrested and subject to the same penalty as carrying an "assault rifle" illegally. If they do have a disease they are treated like those who are attempting to shoot a schoolroom full of kids. Now that's fair.
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Funny that you use the inverse of the analogy that you say is completely invalid to try to prove your point as valid. Every single argument you have just made is just as valid for gun owners as they are for people who choose not to vaccinate.

Are these individuals willfully passing along a disease as you say? No, they are most definitely not. You presume they are based on some rationale of ignorance or misinformation, however it is by no means willful. I can guarantee you that outside of a few terrorist nutjobs out there not a single sane person will be willfully going around saying "Gee, I'm going to go see if I can get the measles today and then go to a large public place to infect everybody."

For you to brand them as such is distasteful at best.
 
OverVolt said:
Stop reading so much facebook.

This is like the #1 thing for people to beat up on at facebook and get their panties all up in a bunch over contrived grievances.
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Are you suggesting that recent outbreaks of things like measles resulting from people choosing willfully to not get vaccinated is a contrived grievance?
 
Vaccines for diseases like polio, whooping cough, mumps and measles should be mandatory. Don't like it? Move out of the country.
 
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