people who skip vaccinations are incredibly selfish

[darkswordsman17]

I skip vaccinations. They always make me sick within the week after and miss 3 days of work

What vaccinations? How "sick" does it make you? And lastly, um so I take it you didn't tell your doctor? Seriously what the fuck? You either have never experienced serious illness to the point that the quite mild (compared to the full blown stuff you'd be getting vaccines for) reactions to the vaccines is enough to make you feel that sick, or you're having an allergic reaction in which case you should be telling your primary care physician so that they can either find alternatives for you or figure out what's going on.

No I totally get what you're saying, and it makes sense. And I am not against every vaccine either. But I certainly will do my research before getting one (for my kid or myself) since they're not all perfectly safe, and some are even totally unnecessary if you're never going to be putting yourself in a position to contract and/or carry the disease in the first place.

Sorry but this is straight shit logic. You might have a good idea of what diseases you have a higher chance of contracting, but saying you'll never be in position to contract or carry is total horseshit. On top of that, vaccinations can actually help effectively kill the disease by preventing its spread. The potential negative affects of vaccines is far far far outweighed by their benefits (hell even if you believe the full on Jenny McCarthy level of bullshit it's still does).

But by all means, please provide some of your research into vaccines so that you can educate people on what ones are and are not "perfectly safe or even totally unnecessary".

Hopefully neither one of them gets the nomination and I will actually have to put some thought into who gets my vote this time.



I've got a brother in law that gets sick for weeks at the same time every year, right after getting the flu shot. Apparently he's reacting to something in it. I'd think an allergic reaction would run its course far more quickly than that, but he didn't get it this year and didn't get sick, so maybe he is that one in a hundred or thousand. It's really unusual, but sometimes these things happen.

Sorry but without more conclusive evidence it's hard to deduct anything from that. I know a shitload of people that claim that they got the flu from the vaccine and that they never used to get the flu before getting the vaccine and don't any more since they stopped getting the flu vaccine. Yet they end up with pretty much the exact symptoms of the flu every couple of years.

I'd actually hazard a guess that there very well could be a placebo like reaction where people assume they can get the flu from the vaccine, so they basically stress themselves out into full blown illness when the reactions start (which is they this magical "flu" that a lot of people seem to get from the vaccine seems to last just a few days). Actually there's a bunch of people who don't seem to really know what the flu is even like and think that the immune response to the vaccine is the same as the real flu.

 

[pcgeek11]

there needs to be a million dollar policy attached to each vaccine given out.

kid goes retard = million dollar payout.

Nope.

Everyone should be vaccinated, regardless of what they think or don't think.

Why do you think these ills are coming back?

 

[waggy]

Nope.

Everyone should be vaccinated, regardless of what they think or don't think.

Why do you think these ills are coming back?

agreed. get the damn vac. I hate that these things we have pretty much beat are coming back because people are idiots. Kids are suffering for nothing.

What vaccinations? How "sick" does it make you? And lastly, um so I take it you didn't tell your doctor? Seriously what the fuck? You either have never experienced serious illness to the point that the quite mild (compared to the full blown stuff you'd be getting vaccines for) reactions to the vaccines is enough to make you feel that sick, or you're having an allergic reaction in which case you should be telling your primary care physician so that they can either find alternatives for you or figure out what's going on.

damn. you need to relax some.

I agree with him on this. Whenever i get the flu vac i always feel sick the next day. Yes the doctor knows and even said sometimes that happens. It's not the flu (with the flu you want to die lol) but just the body working. I get warmer and just feel off. not to mention having my arm hurt for the day.

 

[KeithTalent]

Saw this from SGU this morning:

It's crazy to me that people endanger their own kids and everyone else's kids this way, but of course you're not even allowed to bring a peanut butter sandwich to school anymore. Insane. 😀

KT

 

[Muse]

agreed. get the damn vac. I hate that these things we have pretty much beat are coming back because people are idiots. Kids are suffering for nothing.

Whenever i get the flu vac i always feel sick the next day. Yes the doctor knows and even said sometimes that happens. It's not the flu (with the flu you want to die lol) but just the body working. I get warmer and just feel off. not to mention having my arm hurt for the day.

I don't remember having any kind of adverse reaction to a flu shot. They slap a round bandage on my arm. That's it. I peel it off after a hot shower, when I remember to do so, often several days later.

Yes, I too get angry when I hear about self-centered parents with attitude who like to think they are being superior parents by not having their kids vaccinated. I bristle.

 

[SunnyD]

Oh. It's this thread. Again. 🙄

 

[KeithTalent]

Oh. It's this thread. Again. 🙄

Pretty relevant right now, don't you think?

KT

 

[SunnyD]

Pretty relevant right now, don't you think?

KT

Not any more relevant than the previous 100 times it has been posted. In fact the OP posted something pretty damn similar almost exactly a year ago.

It's getting old seeing P&N agenda threads in OT.

 

[manimal]

Not any more relevant than the previous 100 times it has been posted. In fact the OP posted something pretty damn similar almost exactly a year ago.

It's getting old seeing P&N agenda threads in OT.

i like exploring these things in OT occasionally. It has some tongue in cheeck comments and a ton of people dont go into P&N anymore though I have started going back occasionally.


I like it when OT is a little looser with rules and respost shit. I bet half the new possible threads every day arent made because half of the first responses are from kranky ol members.

 

[Ruptga]

Sorry but without more conclusive evidence it's hard to deduct anything from that. I know a shitload of people that claim that they got the flu from the vaccine and that they never used to get the flu before getting the vaccine and don't any more since they stopped getting the flu vaccine. Yet they end up with pretty much the exact symptoms of the flu every couple of years.

I'd actually hazard a guess that there very well could be a placebo like reaction where people assume they can get the flu from the vaccine, so they basically stress themselves out into full blown illness when the reactions start (which is they this magical "flu" that a lot of people seem to get from the vaccine seems to last just a few days). Actually there's a bunch of people who don't seem to really know what the flu is even like and think that the immune response to the vaccine is the same as the real flu.

Totally agree. I'd like for my BIL to see what exactly is causing it, maybe by (somehow) getting a flu shot over the summer or some other time when he's normally not sick. He could also try the inhaled version, but he has had asthma so that's ruled out. He's a rare case, and I will call him a retard if I find he's using the flu shot to categorically dismiss some other vaccine he does need, but I don't think that's what's happening.

I know it's unusual, but sometimes when a person on the internet says that a bunch of idiots have latched onto a sliver of actual truth, they're not actually arguing in favor of the idiots.

How about you read the thread before you go off ranting like a jackass? All I've really said is that it's not wise to jump straight to assuming that the other person is a moron, which is exactly what you've done here. Good job, and thanks for serving as a case study.

 

[SunnyD]

i like exploring these things in OT occasionally. It has some tongue in cheeck comments and a ton of people dont go into P&N anymore though I have started going back occasionally.


I like it when OT is a little looser with rules and respost shit. I bet half the new possible threads every day arent made because half of the first responses are from kranky ol members.

I agree, but when half of the threads on the first page (and I have mine set to 100 TPP) related to each other or various reposts it's just as bad as having no threads at all. This place used to be so much more entertaining.

 

[VtPC83]

Retarded or not, their body, their choice.

I've seen this going around, I expect that if this is the belief of the person who is un-willing to get vaccinated or have their children vaccinated, then they should also share this belief for abortions, same-sex marriage and all the other 'my body, my choice' arguments there are in the world.

Naturally they won't because they are self-centered idiots who don't understand what it means to live in a society but hey, you can always try.

 

[rudeguy]

PS:

Screw everyone who skips their vaccinations. Whooping cough outbreak is getting worse here. Don't you idiots realize that you are ruining all these years of progress in stopping easily preventable diseases? And its not just you that you are putting at risk.

 

[SunnyD]

PS:

Screw everyone who skips their vaccinations. Whooping cough outbreak is getting worse here. Don't you idiots realize that you are ruining all these years of progress in stopping easily preventable diseases? And its not just you that you are putting at risk.

PS: The whooping cough vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus or being contagious. It boosts your immune system enough to counteract the virus enough to be predominantly asymptomatic. People go on with their lives not even knowing they're contagious it but end up spreading it around.

Another possible cause of the spike in whooping cough cases: People who get the newer vaccine are protected against the disease, but they may still carry the bacteria and spread it to those who aren't vaccinated.

That kind of situation was reported in a study of baboons that was published in 2013. Researchers vaccinated some animals with the new vaccine and some animals with the old vaccine. Animals in both groups were protected against whooping cough. But the animals that had the newer version had whooping cough bacteria in their airways for as long as 6 weeks. Those with the older version only had the bacteria in their airways for 3 weeks.

Source: NOT some anti-vax nutjob blog.

 

[disappoint]

Saw this from SGU this morning:

It's crazy to me that people endanger their own kids and everyone else's kids this way, but of course you're not even allowed to bring a peanut butter sandwich to school anymore. Insane. 😀

KT

Everybody this is a hold up! *waves peanut butter sandwich in the air* Nobody move! Hands in the air!

#hands_up_don't_fling_peanut_butter

 

[SunnyD]

Everybody this is a hold up! *waves peanut butter sandwich in the air* Nobody move! Hands in the air!

#hands_up_don't_fling_peanut_butter

#dontspreadmebro :awe:

Wait. :sneaky: This ain't L&R...

 

[SSSnail]

I'd like to propose an experiment, let's say we split our society into two sections, one where the vaccinated people live and the other are quarantined for the beautiful and precious people that don't believe in vaccination.

Now, we'll also give them free choice of whether they want to move to one section or the other. I'm willing to bet that none of the anti vaccines people will move to the quarantined area. I'm going to bet that very few, if any, of the previous people will want to move to the quarantined zone.

You know why? Because they're just selfish assholes, but they don't really believe in their own bullshit.

They're getting a free ride because they know most others are vaccinated, and their angels are safe in the vaccinated community. What a bunch of ignorant, selfish and hypocritical bastards.

 

[cbrunny]

Ohh I had whooping cough as a child. It was AWFUL. I was literally coughing so hard I would vomit several times a day for weeks. I remember one time my mom called (she was out, I was home with my brothers) and I grabbed the cordless. Walking down the hallway I started coughing and vomited all over the floor while on the phone with my mom. Cough up blood all the time from coughing so hard your lungs bruise. I'd have given anything - ANYTHING - to not have to have been sick like that.

I went to the doctor regularly as a child and I'm in Canada so I see no reason why I would not have been vaccinated for everything.

I'm hoping that in Canada they get more strict with regards to these sorts of issues. If you choose to not get your kid vaccinated, I have two things to say. First, fuck you you goddamned idiot. You're not special and your kid isn't special. So get your shots like the hundreds of millions of others that did before you and are also perfectly healthy. You're supposedly an adult so for fuck sake act like it. Second, act like an adult and keep your kid away from me (and my future kids.. whenever that may be). Your kids shouldn't be allowed in public and your kids won't be around me (or my future kids).

I will openly discriminate against people that don't get vaccinated. Drink from a different drinking fountain. Use a different bathroom. Don't walk past me on the way to the back of the bus - use the other door. You should have separate schools.

 

[Ns1]

I'd like to propose an experiment, let's say we split our society into two sections, one where the vaccinated people live and the other are quarantined for the beautiful and precious people that don't believe in vaccination.

Now, we'll also give them free choice of whether they want to move to one section or the other. I'm willing to bet that none of the anti vaccines people will move to the quarantined area. I'm going to bet that very few, if any, of the previous people will want to move to the quarantined zone.

You know why? Because they're just selfish assholes, but they don't really believe in their own bullshit.

They're getting a free ride because they know most others are vaccinated, and their angels are safe in the vaccinated community. What a bunch of ignorant, selfish and hypocritical bastards.

a modern version of separate but equal; I can get behind this.

 

[abj13]

PS: The whooping cough vaccine doesn't prevent you from contracting the virus or being contagious. It boosts your immune system enough to counteract the virus enough to be predominantly asymptomatic. People go on with their lives not even knowing they're contagious it but end up spreading it around.

Source: NOT some anti-vax nutjob blog.

Pertussis is a bacteria, not a virus.

It was a cost vs benefits problem with the newer vs older pertussis vaccine. It is rather unfortunate, since the originally vaccine had decent protection but higher rate of vaccine side-effects, but the newer vaccine has much lower induction of immunity but significantly reduced side effects. That's the problem with pertussis, is trying to find the appropriate antigens for significant immunity.

 

[Muse]

i like exploring these things in OT occasionally. It has some tongue in cheeck comments and a ton of people dont go into P&N anymore though I have started going back occasionally.


I like it when OT is a little looser with rules and respost shit. I bet half the new possible threads every day arent made because half of the first responses are from kranky ol members.

Personally, I rarely resent people necroing old threads from 5 or more years. If the posts are appropriate to today's situation, it's worth resurrecting a thread rather than starting a new one if it has ~the same topic.

This obsession with posting in "real time" is a disease.

ATOT gets a LOT more traffic than other forums, so there's an impetus to post there if you want to engage a lot of people and get a lot of responses. I think admins should realize these things.

Also, if a thread's topic has been addressed in another thread that doesn't mean the thread should be locked, especially if the other thread's subject matter differs significantly.

 

[Muse]

Pertussis is a bacteria, not a virus.

It was a cost vs benefits problem with the newer vs older pertussis vaccine. It is rather unfortunate, since the originally vaccine had decent protection but higher rate of vaccine side-effects, but the newer vaccine has much lower induction of immunity but significantly reduced side effects. That's the problem with pertussis, is trying to find the appropriate antigens for significant immunity.

I went to my HMO a few days ago asking for a pertussis shot (I was approved by one of the HMO doctors). The girl at the desk/computer looked it up and said I'd had a pertussis shot within the last few years so I am not eligible for one now. I think she said I had mine ~5 years ago and it lasts for 10 years. She said I had an MMR shot in 2011, I think that Rubella was the impetus for that.

I asked my PCP about measles shot and he said in an email that anyone born before 1957 is considered very likely immune. Well, the MMR shot has me covered for that. He didn't notice I'd had one in 2011.

My dad was a doctor and he'd bring flu vaccine home and put it in the fridge and give us all shots. There was no discussion about whether or not being vaccinated was a good idea, not in our house!

 

[LevelSea]

CPS needs to take the kids, and the parents need to be burned alive in the streets.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Every single time I see the thread title I think it says "vacations." And I'm always like... what does he have against people skipping vacations? And then I think about it a little longer, and say, "you know what, yeah, fuck those selfish vacation-skipping douchebags." Only today did I realize it said vaccinations. Now I feel guilty for getting mad at people who skip vacations. So I apologize people with 3,000 hours accumulated in the vacation bank; it's your right to work yourself to death. Just be sure to get all your shots so that death isn't caused by measles or smallpox or some shit; die of work-related stress the way God intended.

 

[HeXen]

What vaccinations? How "sick" does it make you? And lastly, um so I take it you didn't tell your doctor? Seriously what the fuck? You either have never experienced serious illness to the point that the quite mild (compared to the full blown stuff you'd be getting vaccines for) reactions to the vaccines is enough to make you feel that sick, or you're having an allergic reaction in which case you should be telling your primary care physician so that they can either find alternatives for you or figure out what's going on.



Sorry but this is straight shit logic. You might have a good idea of what diseases you have a higher chance of contracting, but saying you'll never be in position to contract or carry is total horseshit. On top of that, vaccinations can actually help effectively kill the disease by preventing its spread. The potential negative affects of vaccines is far far far outweighed by their benefits (hell even if you believe the full on Jenny McCarthy level of bullshit it's still does).

But by all means, please provide some of your research into vaccines so that you can educate people on what ones are and are not "perfectly safe or even totally unnecessary".



Sorry but without more conclusive evidence it's hard to deduct anything from that. I know a shitload of people that claim that they got the flu from the vaccine and that they never used to get the flu before getting the vaccine and don't any more since they stopped getting the flu vaccine. Yet they end up with pretty much the exact symptoms of the flu every couple of years.

I'd actually hazard a guess that there very well could be a placebo like reaction where people assume they can get the flu from the vaccine, so they basically stress themselves out into full blown illness when the reactions start (which is they this magical "flu" that a lot of people seem to get from the vaccine seems to last just a few days). Actually there's a bunch of people who don't seem to really know what the flu is even like and think that the immune response to the vaccine is the same as the real flu.

Bolded is the problem with all that useless crap you posted.