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People who run from a traffic stop

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SandEagle said:
how bout dont pull people over for stupid crap.
1-5 miles over? let it go.
loud music? shake yo head and go wit de flow.
tinted windows? big deal, yo.
ect ect ect
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You really think these people are running because they don't want a speeding or tint tickets? They are running because they are wanted, have dope, or some other major felony.

We just enacted a law last year that if you run you lose your car. Granted most of them are junk but it's another piece of the puzzle.
 
A majority of the things people get pulled over for shouldn't even be illegal in the first place. The police are the aggressors...
 
Safeway said:
OnStar-type remote vehicle disabling. Make installation mandatory or your forfeit your license and get your vehicle impounded. When a law enforcement officer pulls someone over, remotely disable their vehicle for the duration of the traffic stop. If that is too big brother for you, limit disabling a vehicle to post-fleeing.

Added benefits: State-wide insurance database. If your insurance lapses, your vehicle is disabled after a short grace period. If your inspection lapses, your vehicle is disabled after a short grace period. Vehicle registered to someone without a license? Disable the vehicle unless they can prove it is being driven solely by a licensed individual. It will keep the fucking assholes without insurance that are driving pieces of shit off the road and on the bus. Where they should be. Etc.
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More or less, I love this. Add on: if your registration is expired, short grace period, then disable. For each of the above, there should be a simple way to contact the owner with a reminder, for the absent-minded owner. (At least in my state, there's plenty of notice BEFORE the registration or insurance lapses; but no notice on inspection.)

Though, this would impact me - I have an uninspected car sitting in the driveway; I haven't needed it & it needs me to change a tie rod end. I'll probably get around to it in the next week or so, I just haven't had the ambition to figure out how to change a tie rod end, though it's supposed to be pretty easy. Then, I'll drive it straight to the garage for its inspection. If it was disabled, I wouldn't even be able to drive it onto a trailer to haul it to the garage.
 
DrPizza said:
More or less, I love this. Add on: if your registration is expired, short grace period, then disable. For each of the above, there should be a simple way to contact the owner with a reminder, for the absent-minded owner. (At least in my state, there's plenty of notice BEFORE the registration or insurance lapses; but no notice on inspection.)

Though, this would impact me - I have an uninspected car sitting in the driveway; I haven't needed it & it needs me to change a tie rod end. I'll probably get around to it in the next week or so, I just haven't had the ambition to figure out how to change a tie rod end, though it's supposed to be pretty easy. Then, I'll drive it straight to the garage for its inspection. If it was disabled, I wouldn't even be able to drive it onto a trailer to haul it to the garage.
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Not sure if this is sarcasm.

Police can't get correct addresses to serve warrants. No way I want them controlling every person's car. I just envision a Volvo in the left-hand lane on a highway suddenly stopping because police got the VIN wrong.

Also, anyone that thinks the DMV is capable of anything, hasn't had to deal with them in a VERY long time.
 
DrPizza said:
More or less, I love this. Add on: if your registration is expired, short grace period, then disable. For each of the above, there should be a simple way to contact the owner with a reminder, for the absent-minded owner. (At least in my state, there's plenty of notice BEFORE the registration or insurance lapses; but no notice on inspection.)

Though, this would impact me - I have an uninspected car sitting in the driveway; I haven't needed it & it needs me to change a tie rod end. I'll probably get around to it in the next week or so, I just haven't had the ambition to figure out how to change a tie rod end, though it's supposed to be pretty easy. Then, I'll drive it straight to the garage for its inspection. If it was disabled, I wouldn't even be able to drive it onto a trailer to haul it to the garage.
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A law is only as good as its exceptions. I can see exceptions carved out for classic automobiles, mechanics and tradesmen, hobbyists with toys sitting in their garage that they don't drive but need to be able to crank up, temporary enabling for compliance purposes, etc.
 
No fucking way I'd want the cops, or ANYONE besides myself, being able to remotely disable my car. I'm a law abiding citizen, but fuck that 1984 bullshit.

I don't have the answer to the OP's question, but I doubt bigger punishment (unless to a level of ridiculousness like torture) would help. Like someone else said, people still murder and rape and the punishments for those are quite harsh. I think it's mainly a problem of lots of people being complete fucking idiots. How to solve that, I don't know.
 
Saint Nick said:
As much as I hate the whole "big government" thing behind this post, this is a pretty solid idea. But this is coming from a guy who drives safely, and insures and registers his vehicles.
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If you build it, they will come. This solution is excellent for the given problem but it also causes it's own issue aside from "big government", which shouldn't be treated lightly.

http://gizmodo.com/5540029/no-kidding-onstar-cars-can-be-hacked-remotely-controlled

Granted the method was difficult (requires physical access first) but you can be damned sure remote access isn't far off.
 
Red Storm said:
Increase the penalty for trying to run.
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It should also be based on time. It should always be better to give up sooner even if they initially made a run for it.

An interesting analogy about this was someone describing what the world would be like if all crimes had the same punishment. Assume all crimes had the death penalty. A guy robs a store and he will be executed if he is caught. This means he has nothing to lose. Eye witnesses? Kill all of them. Police try to stop you? Kill all of them. This is why we can't use excessive punishment as a deterrant. The robbery rate might go down but the murder rate would go up.
Now use that logic for cases about running from the police. Running away for 5 minutes should have a much smaller punishment than running for 10 minutes. We don't want all of them to be treated harshly because then there's no reason not to try a 100mph escape down the freeway.
 
Really? Just about everyday people are running from traffic stops? Do you like in a shithole? That never happens here, or anywhere around here.
 
Bazake said:
Not sure if this is sarcasm.

Police can't get correct addresses to serve warrants. No way I want them controlling every person's car. I just envision a Volvo in the left-hand lane on a highway suddenly stopping because police got the VIN wrong.

Also, anyone that thinks the DMV is capable of anything, hasn't had to deal with them in a VERY long time.
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Perhaps YOUR state's DMV is staffed with morons. I can't recall any substantial errors that mine has made; or any errors that I couldn't address in a timely manner - which would be non-issues with me leading to events I can't recall. I did, however, have an insurance company make a couple of errors - my agent switched from a NY company to a PA company which screwed up some state requirements shortly after the switch.
 
DrPizza said:
Perhaps YOUR state's DMV is staffed with morons. I can't recall any substantial errors that mine has made; or any errors that I couldn't address in a timely manner - which would be non-issues with me leading to events I can't recall. I did, however, have an insurance company make a couple of errors - my agent switched from a NY company to a PA company which screwed up some state requirements shortly after the switch.
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Everyone fucks up. Take no knock warrants. Everything can go right and the cops can still show up and kick down the wrong address. Control over everything is too much. What happened to EMP guns that could target and disable specific cars? At least that way they know exactly what they're aiming at. Mount one on their local helis that get launched on these chases anyway.

This article was from 2010.
http://gizmodo.com/5454295/this-emp-cannon-stops-cars-almost-instantly
 
DrPizza said:
More or less, I love this. Add on: if your registration is expired, short grace period, then disable. For each of the above, there should be a simple way to contact the owner with a reminder, for the absent-minded owner. (At least in my state, there's plenty of notice BEFORE the registration or insurance lapses; but no notice on inspection.)

Though, this would impact me - I have an uninspected car sitting in the driveway; I haven't needed it & it needs me to change a tie rod end. I'll probably get around to it in the next week or so, I just haven't had the ambition to figure out how to change a tie rod end, though it's supposed to be pretty easy. Then, I'll drive it straight to the garage for its inspection. If it was disabled, I wouldn't even be able to drive it onto a trailer to haul it to the garage.
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I think this is a good idea as well. We could also use the drivers license as an encrypted key so we would also know who is driving the car. No valid license, the car does not start.

Or alternatively, instead of killing the car just have a regulator that limits the speed to something like 15 mph. You could still get the car somewhere if you needed to, and you are not going to be doing any high speed getaway's from the police, but it is not something you would want to live with long term.

EDIT: as for informing the absent-minded owners, the car is going to be networked to do all this, just have the console have a messaging center that displays any notices you want to tell the driver.
 
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SMOGZINN said:
Or alternatively, instead of killing the car just have a regulator that limits the speed to something like 15 mph. You could still get the car somewhere if you needed to, and you are not going to be doing any high speed getaway's from the police, but it is not something you would want to live with long term.
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Great solution. It'd be easy for police to notice restricted vehicles as well. Maybe tick the flashers on for added safety.
 
Safeway said:
Indeed.

"This shouldn't be illegal in the first place, that pig officer is oppressing my rights as an American, I don't have to stand for this shit, I'm going to drive away."

Fucking hypocritical ignorance.
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I stand by what I said. If you are getting pulled over for something that shouldn't be illegal, then you shouldn't be pulled over in the first place. If you ARE getting pulled over for such a thing, it's not called legitimate detainment by a law enforcement officer, it's called illegal detainment/assault.
 
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Put any nanny gizmos in my car and you have hacker types like me that will disable it and rip it out.

Emissions? Pfft passed. Xilinx Spartan or Altera Cyclone told the OBDII system everything it wanted to hear.
 
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exdeath said:
Put any nanny gizmos in my car and you have hacker types like me that will disable it and rip it out.
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we have already established that those who run are unlikely to possess the intellect to do so, or even the forethought to have someone else do it.

i say a good ol' fashioned police beatdown
 
dighn said:
we have already established that those who run are unlikely to possess the intellect to do so, or even the forethought to have someone else do it.

i say a good ol' fashioned police beatdown
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Pretty much. Take your $100 traffic school and be done with it. I don't get people who run. Even if you have a kilo of dope in the trunk and a dead body, and you only get pulled over for speeding, why not just play it cool and take your damn speeding ticket? They always act nervous or try to run.

Oh yeah, intellect like you said :awe:
 
Police cars should be equipped with harpoons.

The penalty for running away from police should also be very severe like loss of license + fine. If anyone was hurt, jail time too. It's crazy people have the balls to even consider that, especially in the US where cops are more aggressive. Surprise they don't just try to shoot the guy, though firing a gun and driving is much harder than the movies make it look.
 
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