People who are into guns kinda weird me out

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Venix

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Adolf Hitler, the father of the modern gun control movement. No one confiscated more guns than the Nazis.

The U.S. 1968 Gun Control Act was based on the Nazi's 1938 Gun Control Act.

Complete nonsense. Hitler lessened restrictions on firearm ownership (except for Jews). The 1938 German Weapons Act:

1) Decreased ownership age from 20 to 18
2) Replaced one year permits with three year permits
3) Allowed hunters and government workers to own weapons without a permit
4) Completeld deregulated ownership of rifles and shotguns

The alleged links between German and US firearms legislation are laughably tenuous at best. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
 

MattRobertson

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If people want to own guns I have no problem with that, but they are deluding themselves if they actually think it makes them safer. The person who breaks into your home to rob you isn't going to be your next door neighbor who knows you have guns, it's going to be a complete stranger who has no idea who you are. And when someone has broken in, you honestly think it's safer to pull a gun on the intruder than to let them get away with a few $100 worth of stuff?

Why can't people just admit they have guns because they love guns, and not to defend their homes.
I envy you your naivete. You have had no personal experience with the situation you describe, have you? Your learning comes from books, yes? what you see on the TV news? Internet discussions?

Of course it is safer to 'pull' a gun on an intruder. To arm yourself if the occasion arises to do so. WITH the proviso that you know how to use said armament and have invested some time in training for a hi-stress, low-light, surprise situation (picking the right gun is a big part of this... recognition that you will be groggy and a prime candidate for an accidental discharge). Someone who buys a gun and drops it into a drawer for the time when they might need it... yes such a person is indeed more of a danger to themselves than to others. Life is tough. Its even tougher if you are stupid.

Doing it your way, I depend on the intruder to decide my fate. I am hoping all he is interested in is my stuff, that he is unarmed etc. etc. Thats rather trusting. I'll play a part in that decision, if you don't mind.


edit: I'm sure the above comes off as a bit harsh. Especially the part about envying your naivete. Understand that this is not meant as an insult. I would prefer to have remained ignorant and skipped a really unpleasant experience. As I said, I have lived through a home invasion. Once that I count but there was a second that really was just an aborted burglary (p.s. the very sight of the pistol in that second instance caused an instant verbal apology and exit). the more severe incident was decades ago. The more recent, a couple of months.

Believe what you want.
 
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DCal430

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Guns have one purpose and that is to murder people. Plain in simple. No doubt in my mind people who own 3+ guns have fantasies about killing other people.

FYI someone in your house is more likely to use the gun to commit suicide then to use it to defend your home.

I have a theory why the suicide rate among gun owners is higher than rest of the population, people who own guns are more likely to be mentally ill.
 

Farang

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A firearm is a work of art.

The way the parts fit and work together, the details on the wood stock, the history behind the firearm,,, it's all something to be admired.

I agree. There is a combination of durability and precision that is to be admired. Not a lot of other things are like this, one that comes to mind are ski bindings (especially Dynafit or other tech bindings).
 

x-alki

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Guns have one purpose and that is to murder people. Plain in simple. No doubt in my mind people who own 3+ guns have fantasies about killing other people.

FYI someone in your house is more likely to use the gun to commit suicide then to use it to defend your home.

I have a theory why the suicide rate among gun owners is higher than rest of the population, people who own guns are more likely to be mentally ill.

Nice try, troll.
 

pontifex

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Guns have one purpose and that is to murder people. Plain in simple. No doubt in my mind people who own 3+ guns have fantasies about killing other people.

FYI someone in your house is more likely to use the gun to commit suicide then to use it to defend your home.

I have a theory why the suicide rate among gun owners is higher than rest of the population, people who own guns are more likely to be mentally ill.

interesting. I have 10+ guns and i have no interest in killing anyone. In fact, I hope I never have to kill anyone. That being said, if it comes down to my life or a criminal's life, i choose mine.

hell, i don't even fantasize about killing zombies. i hate the zombie craze.
 

micrometers

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How about non-lethal devices? The last I looked at it, they even make paintball guns that shoot pepper powder pellets. Generally with advances in non-lethal technology, if you really want to improve your security while minimizing any possible negative problems with gun ownership, non-lethal self-defense devices seems like the logical thing to do.
 

Modelworks

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Guns have one purpose and that is to murder people. Plain in simple. No doubt in my mind people who own 3+ guns have fantasies about killing other people.

uhm no. I know people who have 10 + guns and two of them , 1 is on the fire department as a paramedic and the other is pastor of a local church. Both are hunters.
 

MotF Bane

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Guns have one purpose and that is to murder people. Plain in simple. No doubt in my mind people who own 3+ guns have fantasies about killing other people.

FYI someone in your house is more likely to use the gun to commit suicide then to use it to defend your home.

I have a theory why the suicide rate among gun owners is higher than rest of the population, people who own guns are more likely to be mentally ill.

Go troll elsewhere.
 

rudeguy

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take a look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e528FZKW6k&feature=related

this seems more than enough for home defense.

I'm much more afraid of people that play with fake guns than people who own real ones.
Part of my attraction to guns is the immense responsibility that goes along with them. Knowing that I am one bad decision away from ruining a whole family's lives is a huge inspiration to be safe and responsible. Walking around with a paintball gun doesn't come with such a feeling. You can shoot someone in the face and they will walk away. If I do something stupid, that person probably isn't walking anywhere for a while if ever. That means I have to think, prepare and watch my surroundings a lot more than the kid with the paintball gun.

If you don't like guns, thats fine. I do. I promise you would not know that I was carrying if you were standing next to me. Unless bad things happened, and then you would be very glad you were. Unless you were the bad guy. Then...well then I am sorry.
 

Sureshot324

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I envy you your naivete. You have had no personal experience with the situation you describe, have you? Your learning comes from books, yes? what you see on the TV news? Internet discussions?

Of course it is safer to 'pull' a gun on an intruder. To arm yourself if the occasion arises to do so. WITH the proviso that you know how to use said armament and have invested some time in training for a hi-stress, low-light, surprise situation (picking the right gun is a big part of this... recognition that you will be groggy and a prime candidate for an accidental discharge). Someone who buys a gun and drops it into a drawer for the time when they might need it... yes such a person is indeed more of a danger to themselves than to others. Life is tough. Its even tougher if you are stupid.

Doing it your way, I depend on the intruder to decide my fate. I am hoping all he is interested in is my stuff, that he is unarmed etc. etc. Thats rather trusting. I'll play a part in that decision, if you don't mind.


edit: I'm sure the above comes off as a bit harsh. Especially the part about envying your naivete. Understand that this is not meant as an insult. I would prefer to have remained ignorant and skipped a really unpleasant experience. As I said, I have lived through a home invasion. Once that I count but there was a second that really was just an aborted burglary (p.s. the very sight of the pistol in that second instance caused an instant verbal apology and exit). the more severe incident was decades ago. The more recent, a couple of months.

Believe what you want.

The action you should take is the one that has the least probability of you or your family getting shot/killed. Your stuff is insignificant compared to that. Just because you like to be in control of the situation, doesn't mean that's the safest course of action.

If an intruder sees you with a gun, this will be a surprise/shock and you don't know how he's going to react. He may run away, or he may duck for cover and start shooting. You're forcing him into a split second decision. Just because in your anecdotal case the intruder fled doesn't mean the next one will do the same. Burglers rarely kill anyone if everything goes smoothly.
 

pontifex

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Fritzo

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I envy you your naivete. You have had no personal experience with the situation you describe, have you? Your learning comes from books, yes? what you see on the TV news? Internet discussions?

Of course it is safer to 'pull' a gun on an intruder. To arm yourself if the occasion arises to do so. WITH the proviso that you know how to use said armament and have invested some time in training for a hi-stress, low-light, surprise situation (picking the right gun is a big part of this... recognition that you will be groggy and a prime candidate for an accidental discharge). Someone who buys a gun and drops it into a drawer for the time when they might need it... yes such a person is indeed more of a danger to themselves than to others. Life is tough. Its even tougher if you are stupid.

Doing it your way, I depend on the intruder to decide my fate. I am hoping all he is interested in is my stuff, that he is unarmed etc. etc. Thats rather trusting. I'll play a part in that decision, if you don't mind.


edit: I'm sure the above comes off as a bit harsh. Especially the part about envying your naivete. Understand that this is not meant as an insult. I would prefer to have remained ignorant and skipped a really unpleasant experience. As I said, I have lived through a home invasion. Once that I count but there was a second that really was just an aborted burglary (p.s. the very sight of the pistol in that second instance caused an instant verbal apology and exit). the more severe incident was decades ago. The more recent, a couple of months.

Believe what you want.

Sorry, your post just reminded me of this: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110123220317AAVgBDX

:D
 

BladeVenom

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take a look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e528FZKW6k&feature=related

this seems more than enough for home defense.

You don't have a paintball gun do you? You can't just leave one lying around and expect it to work. Seals dry out and fail. Tanks can leak. Paintballs can go bad. Batteries fail.

There's also reliability. Balls sometimes break in the barrel. Sometimes they don't break on the target.

Pepperballs would only be useful on an unarmed subject, who wasn't on drugs, and wasn't very determined. You might just make some people angrier and more dangerous with that.
 

OverVolt

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The action you should take is the one that has the least probability of you or your family getting shot/killed. Your stuff is insignificant compared to that. Just because you like to be in control of the situation, doesn't mean that's the safest course of action.

If an intruder sees you with a gun, this will be a surprise/shock and you don't know how he's going to react. He may run away, or he may duck for cover and start shooting. You're forcing him into a split second decision. Just because in your anecdotal case the intruder fled doesn't mean the next one will do the same. Burglers rarely kill anyone if everything goes smoothly.

Just going to reiterate the whole "I was robbed at gunpoint" story. Incase you are so thick headed that you do not understand your own mortality and the fact that you are absolutely helpless in that very moment. Theory is one thing, but you do not understand the other scenario at all, if they were planning to kill you and leave no witnesses. It depends how seasoned they are at being a criminal, the main reason they were caught is because I wasn't killed. A mistake they probably won't repeat.

I absolutely 110% trust myself to own a gun more so than just praying this time they are nice criminals again. I don't even carry it with me as it is not legal here and that is ok. Hypothetically I would prefer to just let them steal my stuff I know the possessions are no big deal, and I know confronting them with a gun would escalate the situation but if you are good at reading peoples emotions you should be able to tell if they are going to kill you or not. I guess you just don't even trust yourself with your own life which is common these days.
 

thecoolnessrune

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How about non-lethal devices? The last I looked at it, they even make paintball guns that shoot pepper powder pellets. Generally with advances in non-lethal technology, if you really want to improve your security while minimizing any possible negative problems with gun ownership, non-lethal self-defense devices seems like the logical thing to do.

Should the situation arise where my life and property were ever threatened I would want to ensure the maximum possibility of death to the person who did so. I have no toleration for thieves. They are a negative to society and do not deserve to be treated with any sort of "sanctity" to their lives.

With proper training, this is the best scenario compared to non-lethal weaponry that does not have the ability completely incapacitate (paralyze or render unconscious at minimum) an intruder.
 

corwin

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Unless you're a drug dealer, you really don't need an arsenal for "self defense"
Unless you're paranoid you don't need to fear lawful gun ownership...and why would a drug dealer need an arsenal anyway?
The action you should take is the one that has the least probability of you or your family getting shot/killed. Your stuff is insignificant compared to that. Just because you like to be in control of the situation, doesn't mean that's the safest course of action.

If an intruder sees you with a gun, this will be a surprise/shock and you don't know how he's going to react. He may run away, or he may duck for cover and start shooting. You're forcing him into a split second decision. Just because in your anecdotal case the intruder fled doesn't mean the next one will do the same. Burglers rarely kill anyone if everything goes smoothly.
The bolded is absolutely true, and in a home invasion scenario the safest your family can be is when the invader has been dispatched...people don't break into occupied homes to steal stuff, if they wanted to just take your stuff they would come in when nobody was home...it's not like these criminals have day jobs that only allows them to moonlight as burgulars:rolleyes:

If they decide to invade your home while you are there there's a reason for it, and it's not to have tea with you, they chose to escalate the situation beyond mere possessions to a threat on my family and my life, they will be met with lethal force and nothing else should that time come
 

MattRobertson

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How about non-lethal devices? The last I looked at it, they even make paintball guns that shoot pepper powder pellets.

Again this is excellent theory but doesn't hold up to real-world experience. Years ago I was a weekend paintball player (as a result of being a paid judge on the playing field... I got to play for free so I did).

1. it was pointed out that reliability on the paint markers is far from 100%. In addition to the balls breaking in the barrel (once one ball breaks, ALL the rest do as well until you fully clean it) and the problem of seals: they rely on gas pressure ... and gas cylinders leak out over time. If your solution is to say "well screw in the cylinder in your time of need" that is a disaster because when you are sleepy and its dark and a hi stress emergency, you don't rely on gadgets requiring complex actions.

2. This one is big: It is true that when you get hit by a paintball you go OUCH! and it hurts rather a lot. Since you are having fun (it really is a hoot) you put on your 'dead' sash, announce you are out and head back to base for a beer. Last I checked a criminal has no dead sash in his kit, and he has no intention of going back to base. In fact, once he realizes you have nothing more than stupid little balls to shoot at him, he's likely to get pissed and come up and shove that paint 'gun' right up where the sun don't shine. For starters.

3. This one is bigger: Have you ever maced/peppered someone in anger? Usually it works as advertised. The bad person goes ahhhhh! and drops/leaves. However "usually" is not the same thing as "always". I'll never forget when, during a small riot where pepper spray was deployed by some police cadets, the biggest, baddest biker dude I have ever seen took a full blast in the face. Boy was he pissed, and his reaction was to punch the crap out of the guy who maced him ... at which point we all managed to talk the situation down from escalating. Him at the top of his lungs, crying his eyes out, absolutely livid and totally effective as a fighting force. Anecdotal? Sure. Ask your local LEO how often that happens.

A standard test I apply to bright ideas: If its so smart why isn't everyone doing it? There is usually at least one good reason worth hearing about.

take a look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e528FZKW6k&feature=related

this seems more than enough for home defense.

Key word: "seems". I notice they spell 'defence' with a 'c' which tells me this likely comes from a country where they can do no better legally. If all I had as alternative was a telephone I'd use a paintball gun too. And a big knife tied to the end of a stick for when he figures out he's fine.

The action you should take is the one that has the least probability of you or your family getting shot/killed.
Agreed. That would be a firearm, coupled to a defensive position and a call to the cops. If my opponent crosses my field of fire while I am waiting for the cops to show up, and I feel their actions put my life at risk, I'm going to defend myself (this is the legal standard where I live and may be different for you). In FBI tests they found a .45 hollow point is one-shot effective in 86% of cases. I have more than one round available.

If you don't want to defend yourself, don't. As I said you are free to believe what you want.

If an intruder sees you with a gun, this will be a surprise/shock and you don't know how he's going to react. He may run away, or he may duck for cover and start shooting. You're forcing him into a split second decision. Just because in your anecdotal case the intruder fled doesn't mean the next one will do the same.

As I said earlier, arguing this is a waste of breath. Some people believe to their core that nonviolence is their answer, and they'll say anything to further that viewpoint. Good luck.
 
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rudeguy

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I'm sitting in a crowded restaurant again. Don't worry though...i only have ten rounds on me today