People should work for what they have

[MJinZ]

That may just mean that people you listen to are idiots. The notion of me working for what I have is ridiculous. I already have it. I work for things I don't have, or used to because, at the moment, I have everything.

You've never heard of Credit Cards? Shocker.

 

[MJinZ]

And there's the rub. Until we as a society can insure everyone has access to at least a basic standard of living, we really are just a bunch of animals. I like to think we have more potential than that given what else we have been able to achieve, but I see a lot of compelling evidence to the contrary too.

Clearly, some people think of themselves as nothing more than animals.

The progressives, on the other hand, prefer... um ... progress.

 

[TheBDB]

People should work for what they want(food, shelter, Dubs, etc..). And the guy who inherits a fortune isnt freeloading off society, he's freeloading off his parents. If his parents are OK with giving their freeloading kid their fortune, fine with me.

Why doesn't society frown on both kinds of freeloaders? That's my point, people demand that you work and earn everything, except in certain cases.

 

[MJinZ]

Why doesn't society frown on both kinds of freeloaders? That's my point, people demand that you work and earn everything, except in certain cases.

Pretty simple.

In one case we all have to shoulder the freeloader's weight.

In the other, his parents shoulder the freeloader's weight.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Pretty simple.

In one case we all have to shoulder the freeloader's weight.

In the other, his parents shoulder the freeloader's weight.

i thought this was pretty obvious but apparently i was wrong.

/thread

 

[cubby1223]

You think it's communism to think a person should not be left to starve to death if for no other reason than simply by virtue of being a human? You're probably one of the many, many folks keeping us in the "just animals" category.

I think that it is approaching communism if someone sees another who is hungry and thinks "I will not be charitable and feed this person myself, instead I will support the state's right to force someone else to be charitable and provide him food."

 

[cubby1223]

Why doesn't society frown on both kinds of freeloaders? That's my point, people demand that you work and earn everything, except in certain cases.

Uhhh, you're an idiot? There is a difference between an individual being charitable, and the state choosing to be charitable with our wealth. If the parents want to give their possessions to their children, that is their choice. If the parents do not want to give their possessions to their children, that is their choice too through their will. When you deal with the government do they have the right to take what is mine what is yours and give it to someone else of their choosing?

 

[Slew Foot]

Why doesn't society frown on both kinds of freeloaders? That's my point, people demand that you work and earn everything, except in certain cases.

The freeloaders leeching off the government are taking my money, the free loader leeching off his parents is leeching off his parents money.

Humongous difference, if you cant see that, then you're a moron.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

I think that it is approaching communism if someone sees another who is hungry and thinks "I will not be charitable and feed this person myself, instead I will support the state's right to force someone else to be charitable and provide him food."

A society with any type of government is going to see its members taxed to some degree for the collective good. Of all the stupid and disagreeable things tax money can be used for, seeing that its members don't starve to death is something that falls into the reasonable category. I really don't like paying property taxes to educate other people's children, but I'm not decrying it as communism or even really unfair. I might have kids one day, you might be starving to death one day.

 

[spidey07]

A society with any type of government is going to see its members taxed to some degree for the collective good. Of all the stupid and disagreeable things tax money can be used for, seeing that its members don't starve to death is something that falls into the reasonable category. I really don't like paying property taxes to educate other people's children, but I'm not decrying it as communism or even really unfair. I might have kids one day, you might be starving to death one day.

Long ago they found the cure to hunger, it's called a job.
They also found a magic cure for homelessness, it's called a job.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Long ago they found the cure to hunger, it's called a job.
They also found a magic cure for homelessness, it's called a job.

then they discovered that they can get these things without a job.
it's called food stamps and section 8 housing.

welfare checks were used to buy iphones and 24" rims for the escalade.

 

[Lemon law]

CLite notes, "So your father owns a profitable family business and you are working for him trying to rise through the ranks and learn the business."

Silly CLite, you did not understand the Lemon Law plan, under those fairness provisions, there is no such thing as sonny boy working in Daddy's business. Daddy feeds and clothes Sonny boy and beyond that everyone is equal. Sonny boy needs to get job elsewhere on his own merits.

But going back to the thread title, we either make the playing field totally level or admit that some people get a big head start over others. They get a better education, they have better family connections, and all those things that are not based on individual merit or hard work.

But cheer up, I don't believe in communism either, but I don't believe in the other side's false standards of fairness. And then we must also address the aspect of sick children, do you really expect someone like Trig Palin with Down's syndrome will advance to greatness or even have a decent life on his own merits?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

CLite notes, "So your father owns a profitable family business and you are working for him trying to rise through the ranks and learn the business."

Silly CLite, you did not understand the Lemon Law plan, under those fairness provisions, there is no such thing as sonny boy working in Daddy's business. Daddy feeds and clothes Sonny boy and beyond that everyone is equal. Sonny boy needs to get job elsewhere on his own merits.

But going back to the thread title, we either make the playing field totally level or admit that some people get a big head start over others. They get a better education, they have better family connections, and all those things that are not based on individual merit or hard work.

But cheer up, I don't believe in communism either, but I don't believe in the other side's false standards of fairness. And then we must also address the aspect of sick children, do you really expect someone like Trig Palin with Down's syndrome will advance to greatness or even have a decent life on his own merits?

lesson #1 in life.
life is not fair. get over it.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I could see practicing socialism where everyone is guaranteed bland but nourishing food, tiny but adequate shelter and drab clothes. Plus a mandatory but reversible contraceptive implant so they can't breed until they stop being parasites.

If they want more than that, give them opportunities to contribute something to society so they can earn it.

Inherited wealth is fine. The parents contributed more than they needed to, and chose to gift the excess to their children.

Um, and who's going to pay for this? Why should I, as a hard worker who is trying to actually contribute something to society, be forced to pay part of my earnings to the freeloader you just mentioned?

On the other hand, if someone wants to come and WORK for me then I'll be more than happy to provide them with bland but nourishing food, tiny but adequate shelter and drab clothes.

 

[spidey07]

lesson #1 in life.
life is not fair. get over it.

The only way for life to be "fair" would be government control of every aspect. Sadly that's what some in this thread want. They think if only government could make everybody equal life would be fair.

In that perfect world, you have a ruling class, not a true government. Remember the cry of the left = equal outcomes for everybody, not equal opportunity.

 

[TheBDB]

I understand the concept that you shouldn't care if someone is freeloading as long as they aren't taking from you. That is a very reasonable and logical way of looking at things. I guess i was just trying to get more at the morality of it. We seem to celebrate inherited wealth that isn't earned while telling someone who was born with nothing they have to earn it all themselves.

My parents were both poor growing up, and their hard work has allowed me to go to college and be even more successful financially than them. I certainly am not saying there is anything wrong with wanting to provide for your family and children.

 

[Elias824]

The only way for life to be "fair" would be government control of every aspect. Sadly that's what some in this thread want. They think if only government could make everybody equal life would be fair.

In that perfect world, you have a ruling class, not a true government. Remember the cry of the left = equal outcomes for everybody, not equal opportunity.

Perhaps they need to control genetics too, Everyone gets the same set.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I understand the concept that you shouldn't care if someone is freeloading as long as they aren't taking from you. That is a very reasonable and logical way of looking at things. I guess i was just trying to get more at the morality of it. We seem to celebrate inherited wealth that isn't earned while telling someone who was born with nothing they have to earn it all themselves.

as long as the wealthy, whether inherited or not, aren't intentionally and unlawfully keeping you from becoming wealthy yourself, then i see no problem.

how one amasses his wealth and what he does with it is none of my business or the govt's.

 

[Throckmorton]

Long ago they found the cure to hunger, it's called a job.
They also found a magic cure for homelessness, it's called a job.

There's a much easier cure for those things, it's called crime.

 

[Apple Of Sodom]

As someone with children I can tell you part of the reason I work so hard is so I can give something to my children. For now I have college funds for them and in the future I hope to be able to give them so much more...it would be nice to buy them a house when they get married, and when I die, maybe leave them a few hundred thousand dollars each.

If I die and they become wealthy please think of it as something *I* wanted to do, as opposed to them getting rich. It is something I desired, as opposed to buying a Ferrari and a private jet and lavish vacations.

And anyone who thinks making money off of the stock exchange isn't working is an idiot. You go and try it sometime. It is a LOT of work. I'm not saying people don't take advantage and it doesn't need to be reformed, but it isn't as easy as people make it out to be. I mean, couldn't we take it a step further and say that people who get paid for "ideas" aren't really working either?

 

[JS80]

I for one, agree with our OP and I have a plan to make it happen. Step one is to institute a 100% inheritance tax, eliminate any way to shelter any of the estate by any means, and prevent parents to transfer anything but basic food, clothing, and shelter to their relatives.

But of course I oppose having the government use these monies to support government.

So at the end of every year, the government pools all the monies it gets from that 100% painless death tax, divides it by the number of American citizens, and cuts each of them a check for their fair share.

That way every American starts out on equal footing. If you want more, work for it.

lol. Thank you for further proving to us how stupid/naive/retarded you are. But hey, at least you are honest.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

I for one, agree with our OP and I have a plan to make it happen. Step one is to institute a 100% inheritance tax, eliminate any way to shelter any of the estate by any means, and prevent parents to transfer anything but basic food, clothing, and shelter to their relatives.

But of course I oppose having the government use these monies to support government.

So at the end of every year, the government pools all the monies it gets from that 100% painless death tax, divides it by the number of American citizens, and cuts each of them a check for their fair share.

That way every American starts out on equal footing. If you want more, work for it.

interesting ideology. is there a name or classification for this ideology of yours?

 

[MotF Bane]

I for one, agree with our OP and I have a plan to make it happen. Step one is to institute a 100% inheritance tax, eliminate any way to shelter any of the estate by any means, and prevent parents to transfer anything but basic food, clothing, and shelter to their relatives.

But of course I oppose having the government use these monies to support government.

So at the end of every year, the government pools all the monies it gets from that 100% painless death tax, divides it by the number of American citizens, and cuts each of them a check for their fair share.

That way every American starts out on equal footing. If you want more, work for it.

Hooooly shit, you're a fucking lunatic. You live in a pipe dream, and either can't understand that your ideas are utterly impractical, or refuse to admit it.

 

[Munky]

That may just mean that people you listen to are idiots. The notion of me working for what I have is ridiculous. I already have it. I work for things I don't have, or used to because, at the moment, I have everything.

^ For once, I actually agree with this.

 

[Slew Foot]

interesting ideology. is there a name or classification for this ideology of yours?

It's called moronism.

Hell, if Paris Hilton wants to blow her dads fortune on sunglasses and chiuahua's, then well, maybe I should be in the sunglasses and chiuahahas business.