Perhaps higher. In most urban areas, about 80% of all children are born out of wedlock, and high school graduation rates at usually no higher than 70% (30% dropping out). Then you have crime, drug use, and more. Mix them all together, 90% of them will be victim of one or more of those situations.
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People should need a license to have children
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Perhaps higher. In most urban areas, about 80% of all children are born out of wedlock, and high school graduation rates at usually no higher than 70% (30% dropping out). Then you have crime, drug use, and more. Mix them all together, 90% of them will be victim of one or more of those situations.
meltdown75
Lifer
wow you're completely pulling all of this out of your ass aren't you.
a girl I worked with in college told me a story about her friend. This friend lived in some town in the middle of nowhere (napa, ca? can't remember) already had two kids with different fathers who were no longer around. She is only 22 and uses her mom as a baby sitter while she works at walmart. This girl ends up talking online to some guy who lives in bakersfield over 300 miles away and decides she wants to meet him after talking to him for just a few days on AIM. They fVcking arrange to meet at a hotel room where they proceed to have sex for two days straight while her two kids sit in the room watching cartoons on the other bed. Now this girl is pregnant again but she's not sure if the kid is from this guy in bakersfield or not, when she told him, over aim, he said "it ain't mine and you're a hoe don't talk to me anymore" The girl then told my friend that it was no big deal and at least she could get more free money from the state because she had another kid coming.
when I heard this I thought for sure my friend was lying because no one could be this screwed up but she assures me its true. Some people are just plain stupid and I would definetly be in favor of restrictions on having kids.
when I heard this I thought for sure my friend was lying because no one could be this screwed up but she assures me its true. Some people are just plain stupid and I would definetly be in favor of restrictions on having kids.
Forty percent of babies born in Louisiana are out of wedlock, second highest in the nation. Roughly 80 percent of teen births are out of wedlock. In New Orleans, the out-of-wedlock birth rate is roughly 60 percent and an astounding 96 percent of teen births are to unwed mothers.
Remember, for New Orleans, that's for the entire city, middle and upper class areas too. Take out the well off areas and just focus on the poor areas and imagine what you'd get.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=4760
I cannot find statistics for the entire US, but Louisiana and New Orleans is a good example.
I really really really do not feel comfortable discussing race, that's an almost automatic way to flush a thread down the crapper. I personally do not use race as a factor in anything. I believe all men equal. But because most studies discuss race in their findings, you'll have to utilize Google to read those and others.
leftyman
Diamond Member
my boss's daughter has three children from two different men, dropped out of high school and now lives with her parents,is single again, receives food stamps and is now 23 yrs old. Her father, my boss, makes around 65-70k/yr.
im not argueing that poverty isnt a breeding ground for a variety of social problems or that even the majority of social problems arent happening there. just that it can happen at ANY financial level.
im not argueing that poverty isnt a breeding ground for a variety of social problems or that even the majority of social problems arent happening there. just that it can happen at ANY financial level.
Anything can happen to anyone, but scientists, doctors, speculators, and most all people who need to accurately predict the future to earn their living, use statistics and probability, and the poorer you are, the higher the odds are that your kids will relive the same fate.
The "it could happen to anyone, so let's throw all statistics and logic out the window" statement, which is used far too much, is foolish.
And $70k isn't even "upper middle class." Many blue collar workers make that much.
That's sad, but a license to have children is a bad idea.
AMCRambler
Diamond Member
Feed the unlicensed babies to Vin Diesel
What you're describing there is a common career direction here in the UK. Simply fire out a couple of criminals and a young single mum has it sorted for several years. I know a girl who's 23 and has had five children, with four fathers. Three kids have been taken from her by social services.
Story about her latest fella: He was babysitting one evening, she arrives home and finds him unconcious. This tard was so jacked full of downers and methodone he'd completely passed out. This guy was looking after a 2 year old and 8 month old kid.
He's back in jail now for drug offenses.
Still, she's living in a decent flat in town and is out most weekends. Something any student couldn't afford.
Messed up? hell yeah.
leftyman
Diamond Member
And conversely since the majority of abuse happens in one segment of our population we should ignore or treat less seriously that which happens in another less easily attacked segment?
$70k qualifies as NOT poor
again i stated that poverty is not the sole cause of abuse, that there are other important factors involved, i didnt argue %'s. I'll stand by that.
ViRGE
Elite Member, Moderator Emeritus
There's the great irony. The fact that we're intelligent beings means that we've developed compassion and beat Darwin, but at the cost of an almost backwards movement in natural selection. The fact that the worst candidates are breeding the most is going to come around and bite us in the ass some day, I'm afraid.
SMOGZINN
Lifer
First of all, the world needs a large number of stupid people. Not everyone can be a scientist or doctor. Someone has to mop the floors at McDonalds. Half the people in the world are going to be poor, that is an economic inevitability. For you to live the life you live, someone else must suffer a lesser life. At least until we develop androids, then we can make them do all the work until they revolt and enslave us all. 😀
Unless we can have universal transparent birth control then any type of population restrictions will be unenforceable. As it is most female teens would tell you that getting pregnant is one of the top 3 worst things that could happen to them, yet every day I counseled teens that were not taking the necessary precautions to prevent it. As long as we make teens feel guilty about having sex they will continue to be irresponsible about it. The only way to fight unsafe sex it to educate can teach children to be responsible about it. Currently we try to dance around the issue and give them a few hours of lecture on the technical aspects of STD prevention and family planning. Most people graduate high school with no idea what the odds of conception are in any given unsafe sexual encounter.
Sex is instinctual, safe sex must be learned.
I think its a mistake to state that poverty is a cause of this type of neglect. While poverty and "ignorance" (as the word is being used here) often go hand-in-hand, a lack of money does not result in poor parenting. My own childhood would be considered poor by today's standards (food stamps, charity, the whole ball of social welfare wax), but that did not make my parents bad parents. Most of the people I grew up with are the same way.
I think it is true that ignorance begets ignorance. But I don't think that poverty begets ignorance as a rule.
I think it is true that ignorance begets ignorance. But I don't think that poverty begets ignorance as a rule.
Don't play dumb, or devils advocate.
We don't need government regulation on human biological cycles.
The only thing this type of action will provide is another way to discriminate, segregate and further punish people for not meeting a perceived status quo. Nothing good can come of it.
No, you really are being arrogant. If you were in a life position like the people you look down upon, your tone would be completely different.
The only determining factor that anyone in this thread can come up with is income level. That is a terrible way to quantify life. Most people that have children really cannot "afford" them, they make due. The people who wait until they can afford children, never have them.
Making income level a qualifier for reproduction will do nothing more than push class inequality to ridiculous levels, breed racism, discrimination and abhorrent eliteism.
I don't disagree that many people should not be having children because of their circumstances, but there is no way you can clearly draw a line between who should have children and who should not.
Leper Messiah
Banned
My parents raised me whilst being poverty-stricken. Don't give me that sh1t about poor kids are fvcked up, its just a different kind of fvcked. The poor have crack and 40 oz. on the porch, the wealthy have meth and cocaine and x and sip from their glasses of 1789 wine. In theory a breeding liscence would be a good thing, but how exactly do you quantify what is a good parent? Every situation is different and no kid repsonds exactly the same as others to certain styles of parenting.
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