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[fskimospy]

Thank you!! You're proving my point!

In other words, if society decides it's ok to kill your children before the age of 10 if you get sick of them, then it's ok. This post is for you too, eskimo. It's all relative. You have no right to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to torture and subsequently kill you.

It just has a different source than yours. This is not a difficult concept. Just because someone's morality was not handed down by a sky fairy does not mean that it's invalid, it's just different than what you adhere to.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The modern bible is full of mistranslations and alterations from the original form, how do you know what you are being told by the bible is accurate?

When you understand what the decievers want its rather easy. They are consitent in what their lies . Same with the Living Word once you comprehend his teachings truth is easy to find . Even tho they co exist in the same book .

The words in the King james version of the bible are terriably translated. You will not find words like eon . In the Bible of King james but the orginal text its their often . That would change peoples perspective. They do everthing for their purpose. Same with era its in the orginal text but removed . Both words were easily translated but intensionly removed because they added understanding . They want to dumb you down to control you. As another man said here You have to read earliest records of civilization to get to trueth. Once you except those accounts you be on road to recovery . But time is running out for you. Your going to act do so quickly .

 

[Sclamoz]

Christianity? The crusades were a reaction against the militarist Islamic pressures on the Catholic Church. They conquered as far as southern Spain before the church drew the line! The Catholic church was *just a little concerned* about this, and sinfully misused the Bible to justify their "holy war" against the Muslims. If they had stopped at defense they would have been fine...but attacking like they did-- you cannot justify this by anything Christ said.

They misused the bible? How do you know they aren't the ones who are correct and your interruption is the wrong one? I mean a lot has been taken out and changed from it since then.

You also forget the inquisitions & witch trials, human sacrifice from I don't even know how many religions as well as plenty of other atrocities I'm sure I don't know about.

Yes they do I agree, but they are not consistent with their atheism in holding this moral code. If they were consistent with their atheism, they would admit there is no moral code that they can command others to follow-- only one that they personally prefer, and that they can enforce by force (because the police have the power to deter you from killing).

Religion and morality are completely separate things. We are taught right and wrong by society and society enforces these. The idea of whats right and wrong varies between societies and has also changed over time. If you went back in time to the middle ages you would find your interpretation of Christianity, right and wrong, and your bible to be completely different then everyone else. It's likely you would be considered immoral to them.

 

[ebaycj]

In atheism, there is no foundation for such a thing as morality.

False.

 

[El Guaraguao]

mass genocide-- you forget that this is what we all deserve. None of us deserve to see the beauty of autumn or enjoy the companionship of a lover.

human nature-- "animal instincts" do not explain the atrocities committed by Mao, Mussolini, other evil men.
People still can't make any logically consistent claim that these people shouldn't act in such a way-- yet everyone still does. In atheism, there is no foundation for such a thing as morality.

Oh boy. Your one of those who cant wait for the rapture huh? If you're that desperate to enter the kingdom of god, Why don't you go the middle east and in the name of your god, try to convert some folks over there. You probably wont be back.

As far as human and\or animal nature goes, we all have the ability to kill.

 

[ebaycj]

Self ownage FTW!

philosophiæ doctor.

Look it up.

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Fair enough. I guess did self own. I knew I should have verified on google, but I was too in-the-moment.

 

[totalnoob]

Thank you!! You're proving my point!

In other words, if society decides it's ok to kill your children before the age of 10 if you get sick of them, then it's ok. This post is for you too, eskimo. It's all relative. You have no right to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to torture and subsequently kill you.

If you believe the bible is absolute, then why aren't we killing children who disobey and disrespect their parents? There are at least 3 passages in the bible that say this must be done. Why aren't we stoning men who work on the sabbath (as God himself commanded)? Why don't Christians advocate the death penalty for homosexuals today? (Leviticus 20:13) All of these punishments are prescribed in your holy book..but thankfully most Christians no longer accept this sort of barbaric nonsense.

Why? Because our SECULAR world has outgrown those particular biblical directives as well as the other trash in the bible endorsing slavery, rape, sexism, animal sacrifice, etc. In other words, our morality has changed dramatically from the days of bronze age mystics who wrote the bible. Modern Christians discard the biblical precepts they now view as immoral. They pick and choose what verses are to be taken seriously and those which are obsolete or incorrect. In other words, THEY DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES what was right and wrong...regardless of what "the word of god" happens to say.

 

[ebaycj]

There is no basis for morality, right, and wrong in atheism. Obviously not all of nihilism (such as having to destroy everything or whatever you were saying to progress) is like atheism. But the parts about morality, is the point I am trying to make. There is no rational basis for morality in atheism by which an atheist can argue why I should not become a mass murderer.



If what the bible/Christianity says is true, then informing people of this state is the most loving thing we can do for them-- because only by repenting of our sinful nature and selfish (desiring our way to the detriment of others-- there is nothing wrong with desiring that which makes us happy) tendencies, can we come to the life of love and fulfillment we were meant for. In trashing God, we exchange what can ultimately fill us for a hollow, unsatisfying replacement-- the replacement being our own shallow understanding of what will make us completely satisfied.

There is also no rational basis for morality in Christianity, since it is just a story written by bored camel herders to keep themselves entertained.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Fair enough. I guess did self own. I knew I should have verified on google, but I was too in-the-moment.

Meh it's OK. Everyone does it. I know I have

 

[El Guaraguao]

There is also no rational basis for morality in Christianity, since it is just a story written by bored camel herders to keep themselves entertained.

I don't think it was written to keep themselves entertained, more like to drive fear and guilt into the uncontrollable masses.

 

[ebaycj]

Yes they do I agree, but they are not consistent with their atheism in holding this moral code. If they were consistent with their atheism, they would admit there is no moral code that they can command others to follow-- only one that they personally prefer, and that they can enforce by force (because the police have the power to deter you from killing).

That's the whole point. There are no absolutes. There is no "Right" and there is no "Wrong". There is only "what most of us agree is Right" and "what most of us agree is Wrong".

Moral codes are personal things derived by each person, with their own logic, and their own view of the world, and their own experiences shaping their definitions of "Right" and "Wrong". Societies are then formed by commonalities in moral codes (e.g. the people who all agree that killing, stealing, cheating and raping are all wrong but adultery is OK, would all likely end up living together eventually).

 

[ebaycj]

I don't think it was written to keep themselves entertained, more like to drive fear and guilt into the uncontrollable masses.

That is certainly just as likely.

 

[Nemesis 1]

It just has a different source than yours. This is not a difficult concept. Just because someone's morality was not handed down by a sky fairy does not mean that it's invalid, it's just different than what you adhere to.

AH yes the road to enlightenment , But to get there without the example of the living word is a trick I don't think you can pull off. But don't let me stop ya . Go for it.

 

[Nemesis 1]

That's the whole point. There are no absolutes. There is no "Right" and there is no "Wrong". There is only "what most of us agree is Right" and "what most of us agree is Wrong".

Moral codes are personal things derived by each person, with their own logic, and their own view of the world, and their own experiences shaping their definitions of "Right" and "Wrong". Societies are then formed by commonalities in moral codes (e.g. the people who all agree that killing, stealing, cheating and raping are all wrong but adultery is OK, would all likely end up living together eventually).

Wrong there is NO earthly authority , But we do have 1o laws to follow. Easy laws actually . Once authority is removed from governments and priest.

Those 10 laws are the foundation of enlightenment .

 

[ebaycj]

Why does self interest or interest in others matter? So our genes can pass on? So our society can continue to exist? That does not matter. We have no reason to exist. Only an unexplained (by atheism) desire to.

In Christianity, our reason to exist is to know God's goodness, enjoy him, and make him known to others.

Atheists don't feel the need to "matter" to anything more than ourselves and our human (and other living) companions on this planet.

In Atheism, our reason to exist is to know the Earth's goodness (all the different sensations life has to offer the synapses), enjoy it, and continue doing so. We also care for our familial and non-familial companions, so we would also like them to know the same, if they so desire.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I don't think it was written to keep themselves entertained, more like to drive fear and guilt into the uncontrollable masses.

Your walking a fence here friend, Your luke warm . Neither hot or Cold and The living word would spew you out of his mouth.

The lies are there to control you and create fear. But the trueth is pure and you would bathe in the light of the Lord

 

[ebaycj]

Thank you!! You're proving my point!

In other words, if society decides it's ok to kill your children before the age of 10 if you get sick of them, then it's ok. This post is for you too, eskimo. It's all relative. You have no right to tell me I shouldn't be allowed to torture and subsequently kill you.

Your whole statement is true. He would not have a right to tell you what is or is not allowed. However, Society would have the right to tell you what is or is not allowed.

If you don't like what Society has to offer as far as what is or is not allowed, you can feel free to make your own society where different things are allowed or disallowed. This has happened many times before. (hint: different societies typically are different countries, though are not limited to that).

Open your mind, man. I can see that you're smart. Too smart to be lacking so much in reason. Really? A Sky Fairy? Really? Come the fuck on. Are you 10?

 

[ebaycj]

When you understand what the decievers want its rather easy. They are consitent in what their lies . Same with the Living Word once you comprehend his teachings truth is easy to find . Even tho they co exist in the same book .

The words in the King james version of the bible are terriably translated. You will not find words like eon . In the Bible of King james but the orginal text its their often . That would change peoples perspective. They do everthing for their purpose. Same with era its in the orginal text but removed . Both words were easily translated but intensionly removed because they added understanding . They want to dumb you down to control you. As another man said here You have to read earliest records of civilization to get to trueth. Once you except those accounts you be on road to recovery . But time is running out for you. Your going to act do so quickly .

Could you make it easy for us, by putting up a website with all pertinent information easily readable and accessible? I'd like to make it past 12/21/2012, but I'm really lazy.

 

[ebaycj]

Oh boy. Your one of those who cant wait for the rapture huh? If you're that desperate to enter the kingdom of god, Why don't you go the middle east and in the name of your god, try to convert some folks over there. You probably wont be back.

As far as human and\or animal nature goes, we all have the ability to kill.

Yep, I hear Mecca, Saudi Arabia is the best place to convert people to Christianity at.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Oh boy. Your one of those who cant wait for the rapture huh? If you're that desperate to enter the kingdom of god, Why don't you go the middle east and in the name of your god, try to convert some folks over there. You probably wont be back.

As far as human and\or animal nature goes, we all have the ability to kill.

There is NO rapture . Only deception Read the last book . Were it says in the end time many shall go underground . Thats your rapture and these are evil people not good . For you are not invited to that party , I will tell you this for the last time . Do not run or take up anything stay were you are . If you have the strenght to head these words no harm will come to you if you understand whats happening , If you do not understand it matters not what you do . The ones underground will die .I promise you that .

 

[Jeff7]

Say it like it is:
Religion is old lies, dressed up as the ultimate truth.

Satan's best trick was convincing the world that God wrote/inspired the Bible.

Yeah, how'd that go over? The Bible was just an elaborate hoax, written by the devil himself. He does make himself out to be pretty badass, you know? Talking reptiles? Causing God's allegedly wonderful children to be thrown out of the paradise he created? (Thrown out by God himself, no less.)

mass genocide-- you forget that this is what we all deserve. None of us deserve to see the beauty of autumn or enjoy the companionship of a lover.

human nature-- "animal instincts" do not explain the atrocities committed by Mao, Mussolini, other evil men.
People still can't make any logically consistent claim that these people shouldn't act in such a way-- yet everyone still does. In atheism, there is no foundation for such a thing as morality.

Bullcrap.
You just don't want to accept that you are really not too terribly different from them. Just another human, that's all.
One human can inspire others to follow blindly (just as some blindly follow ancient dogmas), and humans are indeed capable of great atrocities. They aren't "evil." Evil is a concept attributed to supernatural things, things which are entirely "bad" and without hope of redemption. Humans do not, and can not, fall into that category, in my opinion.

And yes, in atheism, there can be a foundation for morality, but trying to tell you that is like leading a brick to water and expecting it to make hot chocolate.

Please, everyone set a reminder in their calendar, to PM Nemesis1 on 12/22/2012, and let him know he was wrong.

Yes, 2012, just one of many many MANY armageddon tales throught the eons. Guess how many of them have been correct.

But yeah, this 2012 thing? We're totally sure about it this time.:awe:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yep, I hear Mecca, Saudi Arabia is the best place to convert people to Christianity at.

A sign is coming to you Mecca will not stand. a simple clap of the hands and it shall fall.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Satan's best trick was convincing the world that God wrote/inspired the Bible.

Yeah, how'd that go over? The Bible was just an elaborate hoax, written by the devil himself. He does make himself out to be pretty badass, you know? Talking reptiles? Causing God's allegedly wonderful children to be thrown out of the paradise he created? (Thrown out by God himself, no less.)





Bullcrap.
You just don't want to accept that you are really not too terribly different from them. Just another human, that's all.
One human can inspire others to follow blindly (just as some blindly follow ancient dogmas), and humans are indeed capable of great atrocities. They aren't "evil." Evil is a concept attributed to supernatural things, things which are entirely "bad" and without hope of redemption. Humans do not, and can not, fall into that category, in my opinion.

And yes, in atheism, there can be a foundation for morality, but trying to tell you that is like leading a brick to water and expecting it to make hot chocolate.






Yes, 2012, just one of many many MANY armageddon tales throught the eons. Guess how many of them have been correct.

But yeah, this 2012 thing? We're totally sure about it this time.:awe:

2012 is not Gods work but mans, That is already being dealt with it must occur but they will fail.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Could you make it easy for us, by putting up a website with all pertinent information easily readable and accessible? I'd like to make it past 12/21/2012, but I'm really lazy.

Seek and ye shall find. I have already gone way to far . and have endangered my family.

 

[totalnoob]

Keep posting nemesis. You've probably converted a few dozen people to atheism already.