People b*tching about Yankees payroll should read this

[ThePresence]

The Red Sox had voted in favor of the current revenue-sharing system in Major League Baseball; the Yankees were the only team that voted against it. If anyone has the right to complain, based on those terms, it is the Yankees. The Red Sox were sensitive when the Oakland Athletics mentioned the sizable difference between their clubs' payrolls during the postseason. But now the Red Sox are grousing about the Yankees.

NY Times

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Dr Smooth

Originally posted by: rufruf44
Its a win-win situation for Yankee's hater. If they win the WS, they can simply said the Yankees bought the WS. If they failed, its even better, a double slap to show $$$ ain't everything (just like last year). Works for me 😛

I keep wondering why people keep complaining about the money when the Yankees have not won the series in three years.

Um, they were in the WS 2 out of the past 3 years... so what if you make it 99 times, but only win it 33 times? You've still won 1/3 of them... Like I proved earlier, it doesn't matter if you actually WIN IT ALL, it's how much you spend to get there, more $$$ spent is a common trait among the 2 WS finalists every year, the Yankees (more than any other team) only affirm this fact.

 

[XZeroII]

Compare that to the Brewers $35 million and you can see why one is a championship team and the other is not. There should be salary caps.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

The Red Sox had voted in favor of the current revenue-sharing system in Major League Baseball; the Yankees were the only team that voted against it. If anyone has the right to complain, based on those terms, it is the Yankees. The Red Sox were sensitive when the Oakland Athletics mentioned the sizable difference between their clubs' payrolls during the postseason. But now the Red Sox are grousing about the Yankees.

NY Times

Um, did you ever think NY's payroll would jump from 113 million in 2000 to 200 million in 2004? The difference alone is more than 10 MLB teams... of course Boston voted FOR a revenue sharing program and the Yankees voted AGAINST it, everyone thought that it would stop NY's spending sprees. EVERYONE, not just Boston... are Wankees fans that blind, to think that what Henry is saying is BS?
Here's an article from 12/04/00, I'll cut and paste it for your convenience.

Yankees think payroll will go down, not up
12/04/00
By Ronald Blum / Associated Press

NEW YORK -- The Yankees insist they will be spending less, not more, next season.
Clearly sensitive to criticism following their signing of Mike Mussina to an $88.5 million, six-year contract, the three-time defending World Series champions project their opening-day payroll at below $113.4 million, its record level on Aug. 31.
"The Mike Mussina signing would be neutral, or in fact might even save money in the overall budget," Yankees president Randy Levine said after completing Mussina's negotiations on Thursday.
The Yankees have 16 players on their 40-man roster signed at a total of $80.6 million -- and infielder Alfonso Soriano ($630,000) and pitcher Adrian Hernandez ($600,000) might not be on the opening-day roster.
That would leave the total at $79.4 million for 14 players:
-- starting pitchers Roger Clemens ($10.3 million), Mussina ($10 million), Andy Pettitte ($7 million) and Orlando Hernandez ($2.05 million)
-- relievers Mike Stanton ($2.45 million) and Allen Watson ($1.7 million)
-- outfielders Bernie Williams ($12,357,143) and Paul O'Neill ($6.5 million)
-- first baseman Tino Martinez ($6 million)
-- second baseman Chuck Knoblauch ($6 million)
-- third baseman Scott Brosius ($5.25 million)
-- backup catcher Joe Oliver ($1.25 million)
-- designated hitter David Justice ($7 million)
-- backup outfielder Glenallen Hill ($1.5 million)
Four players are eligible for salary arbitration, and the Yankees project shortstop Derek Jeter at $13 million, closer Mariano Rivera at $9 million, catcher Jorge Posada at $4 million and reliever Ramiro Mendoza at $1.5 million.
That would leave the payroll at $107 million for 18 players, with Luis Sojo's $500,000, one-year contract due to be announced next week. It probably will cost $2 million for so for the remaining six players, a group that includes left fielder Shane Spencer, backup Clay Bellinger and reliever Dwight Gooden, who probably will agree to a minor league contract next week.
If the Yankees sign another reliever -- Tom Gordon is a possibility -- and bring back David Cone at a base salary of about $500,000, the payroll could go up as much as another $2.5 million to about $112 million.
While some said the Mussina signing is a case of the rich getting richer, the Yankees are said they're actually saving money for that spot in the rotation -- citing Cone's $12 million salary last season, when he went 4-14.
"Usually, I think the Yankees spent their money wisely," Seattle Mariners general manager Pat Gillick said. "If they have the revenue, they should spend it."
Commissioner Bud Selig chose to focus on how few teams were competing for Mussina.
"This is another event that illustrates the disparity scenarios I've been talking about," he said.
The Yankees' payroll for 2000, when they won their fourth World Series in five years, started at $92.5 million on opening day. When New York struggled, it added eight players: Justice, Sojo, Hill, Gooden, Jose Canseco, Denny Neagle, Luis Polonia and Jose Vizcaino. That increased the payroll to more than seven times the total of the Minnesota Twins, who spent $15.8 million on their players.
Ten of the 30 teams had payrolls less than one-third that of the Yankees, including two that made the playoffs, the Chicago White Sox ($36.9 million) and Oakland Athletics ($32.7 million).
For them, it doesn't matter if the Yankees' payroll isn't going up. Even if it stays at the same level, it will be difficult for many teams to compete.

I've bolded the important facts, such as having a payroll 7X the Twins in 2000. The title is especially hilarious, how ironic it is that only THREE seasons ago they claimed they were going to cut payroll after signing Mussina, and the snowball grows larger every year. It's also funny how Bud Selig admits to disparity, even THREE years ago. He recognized "how few teams were competing for Mussina", and yet has done nothing to suggest a hard cap. Last but not least, George thought Flash Gordon was good in 2000, and still thinks he has it by signing him this year... wait until the cold reality check (another shtty, overpaid player)! NYY fans seem to forget that ARod's signing is analogous to Mussina's blockbuster contract which pushed them into monster salary cap territory then, and how some things will never change until a hard cap is implemented...

 

[brxndxn]

Onion's got it about right

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Storm
Hard cap will never happen because of the Players Union...

Just like a minimum salary cap will never happen because of the owners. George can't be the only owner, who is making money from his baseball team. He might be one of the few who will spend money because he can make a profit of it.

But I guess the risk is too big for some owners...

Now my question is what would happen if someone like Mark Cuban or the Maloof Brothers took on a perpetual loser like the Devil Rays? Cmon both are smart businessmen, in both cases they've turned losers into good teams even though neither has won a championship.

You're comparing apples to oranges here... the NBA has a soft cap, which has helped Cuban and Maloofs, whereas TB will get next to nothing in comparison... also, the NBA is a good example of where it is more of physical disparity than financial... look at Shaq or Yao, physical freaks of nature that no team will ever be able to match in the NBA Finals... combine one of them with another exceptional/outstanding player (Kobe/Francis), and you should win the championship every year (if healthy)... Wait until Yao matures after this year, the only person who will be able to stop him is Shaq... On the other hand, having the best player in MLB is not the same as the NBA for obvious reasons.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Onion's got it about right

bwahahahhahah... lmao

 

[Storm]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Storm
Hard cap will never happen because of the Players Union...

Just like a minimum salary cap will never happen because of the owners. George can't be the only owner, who is making money from his baseball team. He might be one of the few who will spend money because he can make a profit of it.

But I guess the risk is too big for some owners...

Now my question is what would happen if someone like Mark Cuban or the Maloof Brothers took on a perpetual loser like the Devil Rays? Cmon both are smart businessmen, in both cases they've turned losers into good teams even though neither has won a championship.

You're comparing apples to oranges here... the NBA has a soft cap, which has helped Cuban and Maloofs, whereas TB will get next to nothing in comparison... also, the NBA is a good example of where it is more of physical disparity than financial... look at Shaq or Yao, physical freaks of nature that no team will ever be able to match in the NBA Finals... combine one of them with another exceptional/outstanding player (Kobe/Francis), and you should win the championship every year (if healthy)... Wait until Yao matures after this year, the only person who will be able to stop him is Shaq... On the other hand, having the best player in MLB is not the same as the NBA for obvious reasons.

Both Cuban and the Maloofs still needed to sell tickets.... when both franchises were still losing. You're right the soft cap has helped them but they have been able to turn both franchises around business wise.

There has to be a way to implement those marketing techniques into the baseball business...

 

[TheAudit]

For everyone advocating a salary cap then there should be a salary minimum as well. Of course you are not going to compete if your payroll is $30 million and $10 of that is coming from shared revenues.

And as much as the Yankee bashers hate it, the Yankees put money directly in the pockets of all the teams they play. Who has the highest road attendance (and home attendance)?

The Yankees are obviously working with some advantages but what about the Mets? They are in the same market and should have the same advantages, right? Yet they have been in last place for two straight years. It is easier to win if you spend more but you have to spend wisely. When the Yankees won four World Series Championships in five years they had a core group of players brought up from their farm and choice free agents placed around them.

Another advantage of the Yankees is that they are not carrying debt. The highest revenues with zero debt, no new stadium to finance, no recent ownership change that has to be paid off.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: TheAudit
For everyone advocating a salary cap then there should be a salary minimum as well. Of course you are not going to compete if your payroll is $30 million and $10 of that is coming from shared revenues.

And as much as the Yankee bashers hate it, the Yankees put money directly in the pockets of all the teams they play. Who has the highest road attendance (and home attendance)?

The Yankees are obviously working with some advantages but what about the Mets? They are in the same market and should have the same advantages, right? Yet they have been in last place for two straight years. It is easier to win if you spend more but you have to spend wisely. When the Yankees won four World Series Championships in five years they had a core group of players brought up from their farm and choice free agents placed around them.

Another advantage of the Yankees is that they are not carrying debt. The highest revenues with zero debt, no new stadium to finance, no recent ownership change that has to be paid off.

I definitely agree there should be a minimum as well.

Mets vs Yankees? Can you name even three superstars on the Mets roster? Piazza, maybe Glavine, and hmm.... well they just picked up Kaz, he could be a superstar right? Yes, the Mets do have close to the same market but what about the TV contract? You can't tell me that they make anything near what George makes off of that... that being said, you say that the Mets have to "spend wisely". And the Yankees have spent wisely? Please. If you have an unlimited treasure chest, it doesn't matter who you sign (Brian Cashman), because if he turns out to be a flop (think:Jeff Weaver, Drew Henson, Aaron Boone, Chris Hammond, Antonio Osuna, Luis Sojo) you can just write it up as a loss. The Mets will be hurt by this rampant spending method moreso as the NYY since they don't have as much to spend, and their sorry team is the result.

 

[cliftonite]

Arod has nearly paid for himself 😀

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: cliftonite
Arod has nearly paid for himself 😀

LoL, fairweather NYY fans coming out of the woodwork again... nothing new. Boston sold out every regular season seat the same day they were offered (my coworker said it was rumored to be within 1 hour).