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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: MattCo
Originally posted by: pyonir
It was way to high last year too.
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They turned a profit. How is that too high? I hate the Yankees but have to admire their methods.

-MC
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I can deal with that. Hate the Yankees because you're a fan of another team. Hate them for their success, or for no apparently reason. But I cannot stand when people start using the age old "payroll" excuse. There are owners in this team that can afford to spend 100 times more than Steinbreiner. They chose not to.
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Do you really believe this? Do you have any idea about running a business? No owner, not even Steinbrenner, will spend his own personal fortune on a payroll with almost no chance of getting it all back. No owner will invest $100 million of his own money and be only willing to receive back $20 million at most.

That is the most ludicrous statement that I see some Yankees fans and some fans of other big market teams (of which I am one) say. These fans have NO idea how baseball is run.

The only reason the Yankees (and to a lesser extent Mets, Red Sox, etc.) spend more money is because they get more revenue being in a large market. Their owners are not these kind benevolent people that only want to see their team win. They spend the money because they receive more money being in a large market.
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School em Mongoose... people who don't know that teams like KC and Montreal make sht $ b/c of smaller market size (TV, fans) should be banned from creating threads. lol
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: Ynog
The Red Sox are at the most in which they can make. They sell out EVERY GAME. Look at last years attendence numbers. They were over 100% thanks to the monster seats
and standing room. There is no way besides raising ticket prices that they can make more money. Simple fact. They can build another stadium, or change
Fenway but that takes time. Lots of time.

We aren't talking about Owners with alot of liquid assests either. They can raise it if needed, but were talking millions of dollars. So are you willing to lose
10 million a year, (very conservative number for most teams) until you hope your start making more money. And let me tell you
even when your winning, your revenue doesn't just shoot up. Look at Oakland. They have been winning for how mnay years in a row. And yet
I don't see them being able to raise payroll that much. Its not as easy as it seems to increase revenue.
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Oakland isn't a very good example because, honestly, people on west coast (especially cal) aren't as passionate about baseball as over here. I've been to Dodgers game once and people would show up in the 3rd inning and leave in the 8th.
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obviously you have never been to Seattle.
 
From other thread:

Funny how you fail to realize the difference between "crying" and having an unlimited amount of money to spend. For example, Derek Jeter makes 15 mil a year, the second highest paid shortstop (now the highest paid with ARod going to third). Is he the 2nd best shortstop, overall, in the MLB? Fvck no! Typical example of George overinflating salaries, with the end result all teams increasing salaries and raping fans at the ticket office. Have a problem with your lineup? Throw money at it! Have a problem with pitching? Throw money at it! Who cares if this eliminates parity and we lose fans! Everyone will be have to be a fan of us, b/c look we overpaid for an All Star team!

Why isn't that rampant spending allowed in the NFL? Al Davis and Jerry Jones could buy out all of the best free agents in the NFL this year! Think about it, Dallas could have Duce Staley, TO, and Mark Brunell this year. Add Bobby Taylor, Champ Bailey, and Troy Vincent to the Cowboys' Defensive secondary and they would be unstoppable (remember the 49ers before the hard cap? ummmm yeah).

<a target=new class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=1733652">? More people are working with their cap better. When you have teams such as the Panthers and Patriots win, you realize you don't have to pay outrageous prices for free agents to be successful. And each year, teams get better and better at managing things. ?
? Bill Polian, Colts general manager </a>
But the real question is, how is it that teams like the Panthers and Patriots can be successful? Three words: Hard Salary Cap. Not a fan of the Boston Red Sox, NY Yankees, or Chicago Cubs? Well, you probably won't be watching baseball this year. There's a reason the NFL is increasing in revenue every year and MLB is in a declining state.
 
They're assuming 3,500 extra fans per game due to ARod being there. Am I the only one that thinks that's quite a stretch? If anything, I think ARod's presence helps teams that the Yankees visit moreso. ARod, while arguably the best in the game, doesn't have marketability yet like Bonds does, IMO.
 
Wow, this forum is crawling with Red Sox fans. Most of them are so blinded by their hatred (or should I say jealousy) that they fail to see another side of the argument. Trying to prove a point to them is like arguing with a wall, both a waste of my time. Even if Yankees brought their payroll under $120 million they'd find something else to b*tch and moan about. Like the wind at the yankee stadium gives them an unfair advantage, or that Yankees have too many foreign players, which is unamerican.

So on this note, I'm resigning from this thread. Just remember this - the strongest find a way to survive in any environment. The ultimate losers are the ones who blaim their failures that environment.
 
Originally posted by: Argo

If you put a winning team on the field your revenues will go up. Like with any business, you need to make an initial investment, before you start making money. Why do you think Red Sox can afford to spend $125 million?
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That's not true. Think about the small market baseball teams. Florida Marlins will not sell out every game next year regardless of their success in 2003. The Dodgers can afford to spend money and suck it up because Los Angeles is a bigger market than say, Anaheim. It's very narrow-minded to say winning = revenues. To a certain point, that is true since I don't see the Tigers making huge profits but small market teams can't afford to splurge like big market teams. The Twins have been a fairly good team the past several years, yet, they can't hold onto their players because they can't afford them.

 
Originally posted by: Argo
Wow, this forum is crawling with Red Sox fans. Most of them are so blinded by their hatred (or should I say jealousy) that they fail to see another side of the argument. Trying to prove a point to them is like arguing with a wall, both a waste of my time. Even if Yankees brought their payroll under $120 million they'd find something else to b*tch and moan about. Like the wind at the yankee stadium gives them an unfair advantage, or that Yankees have too many foreign players, which is unamerican.

So on this note, I'm resigning from this thread. Just remember this - the strongest find a way to survive in any environment. The ultimate losers are the ones who blaim their failures that environment.
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I don't like the Yankees, but I will admit the Yankees teams that won 4 Championships, 1996,98,99 and 2000 were
not bought teams. Though possibly teams with high payrolls, they didn't try to buy a championship.

You claim that Red Sox fans are so blinded by hate, well obviously some of the Yankee fans are equally
blind, that they cannot see that those Yankee teams and the approach to those teams is far different than the
current approach.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Earlier red sox owner was crying about Yankees payroll.

Well, I find it annoying, considering their payroll is $125 million and they almost added another 15 by signing Arod. Either way, for the argument sake, here's an article, showing that yankees payroll is the same as last year. Sorry, I know there already is a thread on that, but i couldn't find it.

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Maybe you missed this thread.

To quote:

What happened in 1996-2000? How much did the Yankees spend those years? To say that the team with the most money spent will win every time is like saying the House will win in a hand of blackjack everytime b/c odds are in their favor 52-48%. Of course it's not going to happen every year. List the World Series winners and their opponents for the past 10 years (this takes the 2 best teams from each year in the MLB) and plot out where they ranked in money spent. Funny how at least one of the finalists is top 5 in the trend (remember, it's not going to happen EVERY year). Some examples: 1992 - Toronto wins, #1 in payroll, Atlanta - 4th in the NL. 1993 - Toronto wins, top payroll in league. 1994 - Strike, 1995 - Atlanta - #4 in the league. 1996 - Yankees - #1 in the league. 1997 - Marlins - #5 in the league. 1998 - Yankees - #2. 1999 - Yanks #1, Atlanta #3. 2000 - Yankees #1, Mets #5. 2001 - Yankees #1. 2002 -anomaly - Giants #9. 2003 - Yankees #1.

It's not a coincidence. Correlation: Higher amount of $$$$ Spent = Championships = Fake Championship = Yankees = Higher amount of $$$$ Spent.
😉
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Now tell me that payroll has nothing to do with winning.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Wow, this forum is crawling with Red Sox fans. Most of them are so blinded by their hatred (or should I say jealousy) that they fail to see another side of the argument. Trying to prove a point to them is like arguing with a wall, both a waste of my time. Even if Yankees brought their payroll under $120 million they'd find something else to b*tch and moan about. Like the wind at the yankee stadium gives them an unfair advantage, or that Yankees have too many foreign players, which is unamerican.

So on this note, I'm resigning from this thread. Just remember this - the strongest find a way to survive in any environment. The ultimate losers are the ones who blaim their failures that environment.
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As a fan of neither team, I'd say that the Red Sox fans arguements have a lot more substance than Yankee fan's arguements.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Wow, this forum is crawling with Red Sox fans. Most of them are so blinded by their hatred (or should I say jealousy) that they fail to see another side of the argument. Trying to prove a point to them is like arguing with a wall, both a waste of my time. Even if Yankees brought their payroll under $120 million they'd find something else to b*tch and moan about. Like the wind at the yankee stadium gives them an unfair advantage, or that Yankees have too many foreign players, which is unamerican.

So on this note, I'm resigning from this thread. Just remember this - the strongest find a way to survive in any environment. The ultimate losers are the ones who blaim their failures that environment.
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Wtf are you talking about? Do you like to ramble on just to hear yourself talk? Yes, I agree, you should resign so you can study exactly how much the Yankees make vs other teams b/c of market size, and maybe you've finally realized that even if the Yankees went 62-100 they would still make more money off TV contracts than EVERYONE in the league. And why ESPN is constantly stating that NYY is destroying small market teams like Oakland, KC, Montreal, and Minnesota because they could never match the revenue of a team that makes over 5-6 times more. And that a hard cap would restore PARITY in the league so it's not always the Red Sox and New York show, so that other teams actually have a chance when the season begins, and people might actually want to watch baseball again. They may actually want to go to the games b/c their team might win, despite continually raping their customers in order to compete with George's spending sprees...
 
Originally posted by: marleymarl
omg, you gotta read these 2 statements, one by Henry of Boston...and Steinbrenner's repsonse..CLASSIC

Henry's statement


Steinbrenner's response
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Translation: Sorry you're not a filthy rich bastard like I am who can afford to throw ridiculous amounts of money into a team who won't even make it to the World Series this year. Tough luck.
 
Originally posted by: BostonRedSox
Originally posted by: ThePresence
Originally posted by: m2kewl
Originally posted by: marleymarl
omg, you gotta read these 2 statements, one by Henry of Boston...and Steinbrenner's repsonse..CLASSIC

Henry's statement


Steinbrenner's response
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LOLOLOLOL. lmao!!!
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LMAO! 😀😀😀😀
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ROFL, even I think that's hilarious. The war begins.....again.....
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Haha, thats great. I cant wait untill April 😀
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Wow, this forum is crawling with Red Sox fans. Most of them are so blinded by their hatred (or should I say jealousy) that they fail to see another side of the argument. Trying to prove a point to them is like arguing with a wall, both a waste of my time. Even if Yankees brought their payroll under $120 million they'd find something else to b*tch and moan about. Like the wind at the yankee stadium gives them an unfair advantage, or that Yankees have too many foreign players, which is unamerican.

So on this note, I'm resigning from this thread. Just remember this - the strongest find a way to survive in any environment. The ultimate losers are the ones who blaim their failures that environment.
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I'm not a Red Sox fan. I'll accept that you didn't really know what you were talking about and decided to leave.
 
Hard cap will never happen because of the Players Union...

Just like a minimum salary cap will never happen because of the owners. George can't be the only owner, who is making money from his baseball team. He might be one of the few who will spend money because he can make a profit of it.

But I guess the risk is too big for some owners...

Now my question is what would happen if someone like Mark Cuban or the Maloof Brothers took on a perpetual loser like the Devil Rays? Cmon both are smart businessmen, in both cases they've turned losers into good teams even though neither has won a championship.

 
I can deal with that. Hate the Yankees because you're a fan of another team. Hate them for their success, or for no apparently reason. But I cannot stand when people start using the age old "payroll" excuse. There are owners in this team that can afford to spend 100 times more than Steinbreiner. They chose not to.
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Exactly. People who whine about the yankee payroll have no valid argument.
 
Originally posted by: Atvar
I can deal with that. Hate the Yankees because you're a fan of another team. Hate them for their success, or for no apparently reason. But I cannot stand when people start using the age old "payroll" excuse. There are owners in this team that can afford to spend 100 times more than Steinbreiner. They chose not to.
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Exactly. People who whine about the yankee payroll have no valid argument.
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Im not bashing or anything... but who are the owners that have a ton of dough.

I am a Yankee fan but Im just wondering?
 
Originally posted by: Atvar
I can deal with that. Hate the Yankees because you're a fan of another team. Hate them for their success, or for no apparently reason. But I cannot stand when people start using the age old "payroll" excuse. There are owners in this team that can afford to spend 100 times more than Steinbreiner. They chose not to.
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Exactly. People who whine about the yankee payroll have no valid argument.
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Why not there pay roll is like 10 times what other teams can have so how is it fair for them to play each other.
 
Its a win-win situation for Yankee's hater. If they win the WS, they can simply said the Yankees bought the WS. If they failed, its even better, a double slap to show $$$ ain't everything (just like last year). Works for me 😛
 
Originally posted by: Atvar
I can deal with that. Hate the Yankees because you're a fan of another team. Hate them for their success, or for no apparently reason. But I cannot stand when people start using the age old "payroll" excuse. There are owners in this team that can afford to spend 100 times more than Steinbreiner. They chose not to.
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Exactly. People who whine about the yankee payroll have no valid argument.
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Did you even read the thread? There have been many valid arguments...or do you not want to listen and continue on with your ignorance?
 
Originally posted by: rufruf44
Its a win-win situation for Yankee's hater. If they win the WS, they can simply said the Yankees bought the WS. If they failed, its even better, a double slap to show $$$ ain't everything (just like last year). Works for me 😛
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I keep wondering why people keep complaining about the money when the Yankees have not won the series in three years.
 
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