Pentium E2140 - the new e4300

[NoobyDoo]

"Every generation a ridiculously overclockable bargain chip is born, and the Core 2 Duo E4300 is just that chip. " - that's what AT said about the e4300.

Looks like the Pentium E2140 is even better.

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Cutting out L2 cache dramatically decreases transistor count and die size, and lowers power consumption and heat production.

Intel ships the Pentium E2140 with a standard Socket-775 heatsink/fan cooling unit which looks identical to the Core 2 Duo cooling units we?ve seen in the past. However, since these processors don?t push the thermal limits of this heatsink design, Intel has gone for a simple aluminum alloy core instead of a full-on copper core like Core 2 bundled coolers. Beyond this fact, the cooler is the same between the two chip lines. The fan appears to be manufactured by Foxconn, which is a 4-pin PWM enabled fan which runs at very low noise levels by default.

While others have pushed these chips further with more exotic cooling, we pushed our chip to 2.9 GHz with the stock cooler. At this level, the Pentium E2140 processor can provide performance similar to a Core 2 Duo E6700 ($320) in best case scenarios.

 

[manimal]

I am somewhat disappointed in the price of the 2140 and its sister proc. If they were 20 dollars cheaper they would have gone head to head to the last market segment that they do not occupy. Sure you can buy an ancient celery for 40 bucks or a nuclear reactor early LGA775 but neither can compete with the budget AM2 procs that can be had for less than 60 bucks. I wonder what they will be selling at in 6 months when old chip supplies run out.

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: manimal
I am somewhat disappointed in the price of the 2140 and its sister proc. If they were 20 dollars cheaper they would have gone head to head to the last market segment that they do not occupy. Sure you can buy an ancient celery for 40 bucks or a nuclear reactor early LGA775 but neither can compete with the budget AM2 procs that can be had for less than 60 bucks. I wonder what they will be selling at in 6 months when old chip supplies run out.

The price is a little disappointing, but it might drop after it's been out for a while
This is MSRP right?

 

[NoobyDoo]

The 2140 and 2160 are priced at $74 & $84 resp. Not too bad.

In Aug, the 2160 & 2180 will be $74 & $84 resp.

 

[jpeyton]

OEM Core 2 Duo E2160 for $85. Retail for $99.

They seem to be clocking better than the E4300s. Lots of reports of 3GHz-3.6GHz.

 

[coldpower27]

Originally posted by: manimal
I am somewhat disappointed in the price of the 2140 and its sister proc. If they were 20 dollars cheaper they would have gone head to head to the last market segment that they do not occupy. Sure you can buy an ancient celery for 40 bucks or a nuclear reactor early LGA775 but neither can compete with the budget AM2 procs that can be had for less than 60 bucks. I wonder what they will be selling at in 6 months when old chip supplies run out.

Remember these aren't Celerons, they occupy a price bracket slightly above that. Their pricing is pretty damn reasonable for what you get.

Yes you can buy Athlon 64's on AM2 for a bit cheaper, but I believe you can get some pretty good deals aeound that price on 65nm Pentium 4's.

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=P4-631BOX

At any rate this represents a step in the right direction, the last phase of thsi plan is the introduction of the Core based Celerons in June.

 

[manimal]

I agree these chips are a step in the right direction. Does anyone have links to what the June celerons are gonna be spec'd at and priced? My google-fu is weak today, drinking decaf coffee....

 

[Fenixgoon]

is it worth getting an E2160 over an E4300? I probably won't end up with a hardcore overclocker's mobo, so my overclocking might be limited.

Only difference between E2160 and E4300 is cache size, correct?

 

[nyker96]

is it out? I thought it's not gonna be here til like 2 weeks from now.

 

[CrazyHorse]

I m getting mine in this week i keep you guys up to date. The E2160 it is. I run right now an ABiT QuadGT with an E6600 running it cool at 3.3ghz and hot on 3.6++

I want to hit at least 3.4ghz with that E2160, lets see how it turns out.

 

[NoobyDoo]

X-bit Labs : Intel Pentium E2160 and Pentium E2140

Pentium E2160 ... increasing the processor Vcore to 1.5V we could push the FSB frequency to 378MHz thus hitting 3.4GHz clock speed. The CPU was running stably at this speed and passed the ORTHOS stability check.
Pentium E2140 ... with 1.5V Vcore, we managed to increase its FSB frequency only to 355MHz. further increase led to system failing to boot. Further experiments revealed that this CPU can even work without Vcore adjustment at this FSB speed, which means we have hit the ?FSB wall? for this processor.
However, you should always remember, that overclocking is a lottery to some extent, so far not everyone will score high in it.

Influence of L2 Cache Size on Conroe Processors Performance

 

[Borealis7]

I saw the performence table on XBitLabs and my jaw dropped! i had to get help just bringing it back up!
I kept yelling "HEL HEL" but poeple didnt understand what i was screaming about so i had to write it on a piece of paper and show it to them.

Thats how amazed I was.

 

[zsdersw]

Originally posted by: nyker96
is it out? I thought it's not gonna be here til like 2 weeks from now.

ShopBLT has both of them in stock.

 

[CrazyHorse]

eWiz has them instock unfortunately not the OEM anymore i think people bought them like crazy when were only $85 for the 2160.

 

[Morphx2]

Ya, I bought one Wed morning and it shipped already.

 

[Noubourne]

From your Xbit labs article:

We have already mentioned earlier in this article that reduced to 1MB L2 cache is a significant slowdown for the Pentium E2000 series in gaming applications. Judging by the results of our comparative tests we see another proof to that point. Although Pentium E2000 processors outperform Pentium D 935 and Pentium D 925, they are still unable to reach the performance level of Athlon 64 X2 3800+ and 3600+. I have to draw your attention to the fact that this whole situation is pretty funny: games are actually almost the only application where the youngest CPUs with Core micro-architecture cannot even dream of competing with their immediate rivals.

 

[kagy600]

^^^ True, at STOCK speeds. The majority of users buying these chips are going to OC.

The table above shows the advantage of the overclocked Pentium E2160 very clearly. It loses to Core 2 Extreme X6800 with 4MB L2 cache only in a few applications. It means that you can squeeze the performance of Intel?s top dual-core processor from a sub-$100 CPU, no matter how unbelievable it sounds.

By the way, unfortunately, you cannot achieve the same result by overclocking Athlon 64 X2 3600+ or 3800+. The performance results of the 3GHz Athlon 64 X2 6000+ prove this true. It loses noticeably to Core 2 Extreme x6800, and moreover, youngest Athlon 64 X2 processors will very rarely overclock beyond 3GHz in common conditions (with air cooling only).

 

[AmpedSilence]

Its seems mostly to be losing only in gaming benchmarks. For a casual gamer who mostly uses photoshop and dreamweaver (i.e. me), this is a dream. getting $700+ performance in under $100! How can you go wrong?

 

[FireChicken]

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
Its seems mostly to be losing only in gaming benchmarks. For a casual gamer who mostly uses photoshop and dreamweaver (i.e. me), this is a dream. getting $700+ performance in under $100! How can you go wrong?

That is if most people can get it to OC like xbit did. I remember when AT did the review of the E6600 before it was released. AT got a 4gz OC and everyone was like im getting an E6600!!. When the e6600 was released every one said WTF!!!!

That said the 2100 series would still be a good value if it can hit 3ghz. But I doubt that many people will get an oc like xbit labs

 

[lopri]

I thought xbitlabs have been kind of modest on OC'ing? (therefore closer to the reality) In any case, I have one on my way so I will keep it posted. I bought one just for the hell of 100% OC that I've never done. (One can always hope)

 

[CrazyHorse]

3.3ghz at 1.4V stable with the 2160

I will go for more later....

 

[FireChicken]

Originally posted by: CrazyHorse
3.3ghz at 1.4V stable with the 2160

I will go for more later....

Nice!! What is that like an 83% OC !!!
What are your system specs for that chip? Might be nice to see some screenies and maybe to see how it does on superpi 1M

 

[CrazyHorse]

I have not run superpi yet i will do after some other benchmarks

Here is my System so far:

ABiT AB9 QuadGT
E2160 under Coolermaster Mars Heatsink
Right now 2gb PC2-6400 OCZ Vista @ 1:1 CL 4 4 4 10 2.1V
Radeon X1800 XT 512mb
2 x 200gb Maxtor SATA II

right now i m at 3.4ghz with 1.4650 Voltage seems to be stable though I will do a SuperPi in a little while.

Only difference between the E6600 and this one is that it takes longer to convert avi > mpeg but only a little bid. Instead off 21.xxx 3DMark 03 i had 20.980 so i lost a few benchmarks there but its really nothing to complain about. Since this CPU only did cost me $85 bucks at eWiz.


18.375s on SuperPi 1M @ 3.4ghz

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
is it worth getting an E2160 over an E4300? I probably won't end up with a hardcore overclocker's mobo, so my overclocking might be limited.

Only difference between E2160 and E4300 is cache size, correct?

don't forget that cache DOES play a role in overall performance.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
Its seems mostly to be losing only in gaming benchmarks. For a casual gamer who mostly uses photoshop and dreamweaver (i.e. me), this is a dream. getting $700+ performance in under $100! How can you go wrong?

if you're using those apps getting a quad would be a much more worthwile investment IMO.