Assuming the board maker can get the bus stable at that high. Remember the bx chipset is a very reifned chipset. I don't think the 850 will be able to go that high yet. Then again i could be wrong.
regarding OC'ing the p4, I dont think the bus will be able to handle such high frequencies... remember the athlon bus... sure tha athlons hit 1+ghz quite easily, but their bus cant go 10+mhz over spec.
regarding the athlon v. p4 thingie... it will take some time for the p4 to perform as advertized buecause of the required optimizations. If programs do not support SSE/2 then the FPU will likely fall short of athlon's... the intager however should be quite good... have to wait and see.. also, SyBoy.. the p3's will hit close to those speeds next year (1.3ghz), intel supposedly is killing the celeron and replacing it w/ a p3 to compete w/ duron/morgan. Thats going to be an interesting battle....
alin
regarding the athlon v. p4 thingie... it will take some time for the p4 to perform as advertized buecause of the required optimizations. If programs do not support SSE/2 then the FPU will likely fall short of athlon's... the intager however should be quite good... have to wait and see.. also, SyBoy.. the p3's will hit close to those speeds next year (1.3ghz), intel supposedly is killing the celeron and replacing it w/ a p3 to compete w/ duron/morgan. Thats going to be an interesting battle....
alin
intel considers rambus highend. i consider it slow and too expensive. pc133 cas2 is what i consider highend right now
oblivion2888
"fuk intel"
What a very insightful post.
Train & Adul
"people get PC100 up to 133 quite often, this P4 is supposed to have "quad pumped" 100mhz Ram (100x4 = 400Mhz Bus) so if we can get those to 133, thats (133x4 = 532Mhz Bus)"
"Assuming the board maker can get the bus stable at that high."
It isn't a 400MHz bus it's the equivalent of a 400MHz bus. IE: Send on both edges of a 100MHz clock sycle (200MHz) and send twice as much (64 vs 32 or 128 vs 64 [er wahtever the case may be...I don't recall off the top of my head]).
Thorin
"fuk intel"
What a very insightful post.
Train & Adul
"people get PC100 up to 133 quite often, this P4 is supposed to have "quad pumped" 100mhz Ram (100x4 = 400Mhz Bus) so if we can get those to 133, thats (133x4 = 532Mhz Bus)"
"Assuming the board maker can get the bus stable at that high."
It isn't a 400MHz bus it's the equivalent of a 400MHz bus. IE: Send on both edges of a 100MHz clock sycle (200MHz) and send twice as much (64 vs 32 or 128 vs 64 [er wahtever the case may be...I don't recall off the top of my head]).
Thorin
[rant]
Another "paper launch"...
It's been stated the P4 will only be available in "limited quantities" until 2001.
uhmmm, how long was it before the 1ghz chip was available when they "paper launched" it back in.. uhmmm, Spring?
By the time these processors are "available" to those of use who "don't buy" OEM crap, AMD will already be shipping Hammers at the same speed grades or "faster" in Quantity.
Hello??? Get with the program guys!!! How long are you going to buy into Intels propaganda? You'd think after a year of this paper launching you would catch on to them... There is a Lot of people that if Intel came to a sudden Hault, people would be removing their Heads from within Intel's ħ§.
[/rant]
Another "paper launch"...
It's been stated the P4 will only be available in "limited quantities" until 2001.
uhmmm, how long was it before the 1ghz chip was available when they "paper launched" it back in.. uhmmm, Spring?
By the time these processors are "available" to those of use who "don't buy" OEM crap, AMD will already be shipping Hammers at the same speed grades or "faster" in Quantity.
Hello??? Get with the program guys!!! How long are you going to buy into Intels propaganda? You'd think after a year of this paper launching you would catch on to them... There is a Lot of people that if Intel came to a sudden Hault, people would be removing their Heads from within Intel's ħ§.
[/rant]
Whitedog
"My spelling is Suck"
Heh..So does your grammar....but admitting you have a problem is the first step.
"It's been stated the P4 will only be available in "limited quantities" until 2001."
Got a link? Because I've read (can't remember where but I'm sure I can dig it up) that they will be in volume production by EOY 2k. I'm not saying your wrong, or I'm right, I just haven't seen any articles or anything where they said " "limited quantities" until 2001."
"By the time these processors are "available" to those of use who "don't buy" OEM crap"
OEM crap? You mean you only buy boxed processors? (And how is that Intel's problem if you like to pay that price premium for a pretty Intel box, when you could just buy an OEM CPU?).
Thorin
"My spelling is Suck"
Heh..So does your grammar....but admitting you have a problem is the first step.
"It's been stated the P4 will only be available in "limited quantities" until 2001."
Got a link? Because I've read (can't remember where but I'm sure I can dig it up) that they will be in volume production by EOY 2k. I'm not saying your wrong, or I'm right, I just haven't seen any articles or anything where they said " "limited quantities" until 2001."
"By the time these processors are "available" to those of use who "don't buy" OEM crap"
OEM crap? You mean you only buy boxed processors? (And how is that Intel's problem if you like to pay that price premium for a pretty Intel box, when you could just buy an OEM CPU?).
Thorin
"By the time these processors are "available" to those of use who "don't buy" OEM crap, AMD will already be shipping Hammers at the same speed grades or "faster" in Quantity."
If you didn't have YOUR head so far up your own a$$, you would know that the SledgeHammer is to compete against the Itanium, NOT the P4. The Mustang core is what is competing against the P4. But of course you would know exactly how the P4 is performing against the Mustang because you currently have both of these, correct? Didn't think so. You can keep your idiotic trash talk to yourself.
If you didn't have YOUR head so far up your own a$$, you would know that the SledgeHammer is to compete against the Itanium, NOT the P4. The Mustang core is what is competing against the P4. But of course you would know exactly how the P4 is performing against the Mustang because you currently have both of these, correct? Didn't think so. You can keep your idiotic trash talk to yourself.
What a very colorful thread!
Thorin,
I can't remember the place I saw it, or the exact wording, but according to the Intel press release about the P4, it will indeed be in "limited quantities". The latest release I have seen (or official word from Intel) was that P4 would ship "hundreds of thousands" of units this year. This is a bit vague. 100,000 ..... very limited quantities; hardly worth mention, 900,000 ... volume shipment of product for a single quarter, especially for the high end.
As for the clock speed, I have heard that it will be released at 1.3 and 1.4Ghz vs 1.4 and 1.5 GHz. This is quite believeable since I have previously read technical articles showing the physics limitations on Aluminum interconnects. Until Intel gets to a .13um copper interconnect process, I don't think they can get much more than this release speed.
As for overclocking, don't count on it. A Quad pumped FSB will be VERY particular about speed. As pointed out, emagine the EV6 bus sensitivity to overclocking and multiply by two.
Although the Hammer family will be more than a match for the P4, I don't believe it will be introduced prior to the planned date of Q4 2001 since AMD has just made the die shrink to .15um for the Mustang core family. At .15um the Mustang core should have no problems reaching about 2Ghz. This will be more than sufficient to compete with the Intel offerings through next year. After this, the Hammer family will be introduced. Even if Hammer could be introduced tommorow, AMD would not do it. It is a little business practice called "Return On Investment". AMD will milk their technology for profit to the extent that the market competition allows them to.
Eli,
Lets hope that Intel continues to do well. AMD will only push the envelope of performance as long as they do. We benefit from competition. Lets not replace one monopoly for another.
Thorin,
I can't remember the place I saw it, or the exact wording, but according to the Intel press release about the P4, it will indeed be in "limited quantities". The latest release I have seen (or official word from Intel) was that P4 would ship "hundreds of thousands" of units this year. This is a bit vague. 100,000 ..... very limited quantities; hardly worth mention, 900,000 ... volume shipment of product for a single quarter, especially for the high end.
As for the clock speed, I have heard that it will be released at 1.3 and 1.4Ghz vs 1.4 and 1.5 GHz. This is quite believeable since I have previously read technical articles showing the physics limitations on Aluminum interconnects. Until Intel gets to a .13um copper interconnect process, I don't think they can get much more than this release speed.
As for overclocking, don't count on it. A Quad pumped FSB will be VERY particular about speed. As pointed out, emagine the EV6 bus sensitivity to overclocking and multiply by two.
Although the Hammer family will be more than a match for the P4, I don't believe it will be introduced prior to the planned date of Q4 2001 since AMD has just made the die shrink to .15um for the Mustang core family. At .15um the Mustang core should have no problems reaching about 2Ghz. This will be more than sufficient to compete with the Intel offerings through next year. After this, the Hammer family will be introduced. Even if Hammer could be introduced tommorow, AMD would not do it. It is a little business practice called "Return On Investment". AMD will milk their technology for profit to the extent that the market competition allows them to.
Eli,
Lets hope that Intel continues to do well. AMD will only push the envelope of performance as long as they do. We benefit from competition. Lets not replace one monopoly for another.
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