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Pentax K10D or Canon Digital Rebel XTi (400D)

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fuzzy are you a member at potn? i am rlbush83 there

so far i have a tokina 19-35mm, bought that just to take pictures at the auto show in detroit
I have a 50mm 1.8, nice but the focus can miss a lot
i have a 85mm 1.8 on the way and i'm excited for that
and i have the canon 100-300 usm - I'll see how that goes for motorsports - eventually i want a Sigma 100-300mm f/4 ex dg hsm, but that's another $900
 
Originally posted by: czech09
Originally posted by: keeleysam
I love my XTi.

You will love yours.

/thread.

EDIT: Your old lenses will work as long as they are EF mount, which I am assuming you have this or something similar. However, the cheap telephotos are REALLY crappy, and your XTi will show all of the glass imperfections. I have this and love it to death.

By the way, if you're going to get the XTi, buy the body seperate, as you can put the saved money into a good lens. Amazon usually has the best deal.
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I agree on everything but your last comment. Dell had the body recently for very cheap. It'll be back just wait.
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Tax brings the Dell deals within $20 of Amazon, and you have to wait, buy eBay coupons, wait three weeks for it to ship, etc.
 
Originally posted by: grepcomputers
How do you buy factory refurbished from Canon? I know I can go into B&H and go to their used department...but that's not from Canon.

EDIT:
fbb: I seem to remember a thread with a link to a photo album by you...am I making this up? If not, was that all with a 20D?

EDIT2:
Now THIS is what I'm talking about.
30D body, 17-85mm IS lens, and a 2GB CF card...all for $1700.
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BTW, if you live in NY, which I'm assuming you do, you're going to have to pay tax on that $1700 from B&H.... and it's not going to be pretty.
 
Gah. this is what I get for buying everything online and forgetting about sales tax!

Of course, if I go to B&H to see what the 30D feels like, I'll probably end up buying it anyway...as my cousin says, I am an "instant shopper"...
 
Beach camera and buydig are the same company. They are reputable and often have the best prices of the reputables. I have ordered from both before.
 
Originally posted by: getbush
I think anandtech needs to stick to reviewing what they know. I got my 30D for $867 factory refurbished from canon. It is indistinguishable from new.
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I'm confused...are you saying that the AT review is worthless?
 
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: getbush
I think anandtech needs to stick to reviewing what they know. I got my 30D for $867 factory refurbished from canon. It is indistinguishable from new.
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I'm confused...are you saying that the AT review is worthless?
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That was pretty much my take on it. YMMV.
 
I didn't say worthless. You have to evaluate the source of any information you come across. There are better reviews out there that go more in depth and are conducted by people with photography backgrounds.
It's more of a fluff piece that just compares features and is geared towards point and shooters.
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: getbush
I think anandtech needs to stick to reviewing what they know. I got my 30D for $867 factory refurbished from canon. It is indistinguishable from new.
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I'm confused...are you saying that the AT review is worthless?
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That was pretty much my take on it. YMMV.
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Because they didn't fall head over heels for anything and everything Canon?
 
No, because anandtechers are computer people. It would be the same as dpreview reviewing desktop computers. They are photography people. I owned a D50 and was happy with it. I know have a 30D and am happy with it. Stuff your reverse fanboism in a sack.
 
Originally posted by: getbush
No, because anandtechers are computer people. It would be the same as dpreview reviewing desktop computers. They are photography people. I owned a D50 and was happy with it. I know have a 30D and am happy with it. Stuff your reverse fanboism in a sack.
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You got pretty touchy there 😉

It seemed to be a resonable overview of the leading players to me, but if you've got the time could you tell me why it was not worth the bandwidth it takes up?

As had been pointed out, there are a lot of people on here who seem to be dramatically in love with Canon, and i'm aware that the AT article favoured the Pentax and Sony cameras in respective categories...are you saying that they're entirely wrong?

I've generally come to rely on AT as a relatively reliable, unbiased source of information on computer hardware, so i would be very interested in learning why this particular AT article is so misleading and unhelpful?
 
Originally posted by: getbush
No, because anandtechers are computer people. It would be the same as dpreview reviewing desktop computers. They are photography people. I owned a D50 and was happy with it. I know have a 30D and am happy with it. Stuff your reverse fanboism in a sack.
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the guy who wrote the article is a photography guy.

and he's writing it for people who aren't likely to choose lenses over a new car.
 

I wouldn?t worry about what camera system to get because Canon/Nikon/Pentax/Leica/Sigma/Fuji/Olympus all make decent lenses with very capable system.

1. Test drive to find out which body best fit your hand.
2. Find out what functions that you need and menu control (wheel or push button) that you like.
3. Lens construction and features that you like.

The above conditions should give most amateur photographer a good indication of what system they are looking for. A more serious photographer may sacrifice a bit of function & handle ability to get a system (Canon or Nikon, and Pentax are no slough) that have huge lens choices due to their diverse shooting requirement.

You will be amaze of how well serious photographer adapt once they learn the parameter of their shooting style and the availability of the equipment that they have to work with. (Medium format photographer have very limited choice of lenses and functions, however they capture amazing image of all sort, from macro to sport photography).

Good luck!

<-- Still sticking with my film SLR & medium format cameras.

 
Originally posted by: tfinch2
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: dug777
Originally posted by: getbush
I think anandtech needs to stick to reviewing what they know. I got my 30D for $867 factory refurbished from canon. It is indistinguishable from new.
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I'm confused...are you saying that the AT review is worthless?
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That was pretty much my take on it. YMMV.
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Because they didn't fall head over heels for anything and everything Canon?
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Lenses in perspective was a joke. He should have titled that section, "Crop Factor for Idiots-A very brief explanation" as he says virtually nothing about lenses.

I thought the article was clearly slanted towards Sony and Pentax cameras and overall a pretty basic overview. Not really an in depth review that's for sure. How can you talk about Canon and Nikon and not even mention the excellent line up of OEM and third party lenses? Even for someone just looking for an entry level DSLR, I think it's worth mentioning. I noticed he mentioned that you can use the older screw mount Pentax lenses though. :roll:

"Our advice is not jaded." Yeah right...:thumbsdown:
 
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Lenses in perspective was a joke. He should have titled that section, "Crop Factor for Idiots-A very brief explanation" as he says virtually nothing about lenses.

I thought the article was clearly slanted towards Sony and Pentax cameras and overall a pretty basic overview. Not really an in depth review that's for sure. :thumbsdown:
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well, he is reviewing the bodies and not the systems. when looking at the bodies in a vacuum, the sony and the pentax are more feature laden at their price points than what canikon produce.

and it's not like there aren't 20 million minolta AF lenses around for that sony.



on a related note, product reviews at newegg are funny [in regards to a 7 mp kodak ultra-compact that costs $275]:
Cons: Despite high mp rating, pictures arent as clear as with a friends 6.1 MP DSLR camera, which is upsetting for the price I paid.
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Just bought the Canon Rebel XTi complete for $776...I posted this on Hot Deals as how to get it for this price....shipping charges may vary
 
Tfinch as bad for being anti Canon as the Canon fanbois are for being for them.
I was happy with my D50. I am happy now with my 30D.
In this segment, in a vacuum, I do not believe the XTi is the best, for me. Obviously when I shopped this segment I went with the D50. Mainly for it's better build and ergonomics while still having comparable IQ. I have a 30D now which has the Canon IQ and the build and ergonomics.
Canon and Nikon's respective user base, community support, system, availability of used lens, etc. absolutely trounces the other competitors. There is no denying it.
The entry level dSLR market is getting ultra competitive for good reason. It is the gateway for future profits for the company. Once you are in the system you are in it. Every single one of the entry level bodies has plus and minuses vs. the others. Everyone has to evaluate them and decide for themselves, but the importance of the overall system and community of support and used goods should not be ignored. You can't look at these four bodies in a vacuum with just their kit lenses, unless that is all you intend to shoot with. A lot of people however don't realize that once they get into they will want much more than the kit lens. Many features are marketing hype. Any in-body anti-dust features out now besides olympus's are a joke and are no better than a few puffs from a bulb blower.
There was nothing wrong in the article. It's just a fluff piece that compares the on paper features of four bodies, and ignores the overall picture. I basically say choose from the Nikon and Canon. For the system, base, and longevity.
 
Originally posted by: getbush
Tfinch as bad for being anti Canon as the Canon fanbois are for being for them.
I was happy with my D50. I am happy now with my 30D.
In this segment, in a vacuum, I do not believe the XTi is the best, for me. Obviously when I shopped this segment I went with the D50. Mainly for it's better build and ergonomics while still having comparable IQ. I have a 30D now which has the Canon IQ and the build and ergonomics.
Canon and Nikon's respective user base, community support, system, availability of used lens, etc. absolutely trounces the other competitors. There is no denying it.
The entry level dSLR market is getting ultra competitive for good reason. It is the gateway for future profits for the company. Once you are in the system you are in it. Every single one of the entry level bodies has plus and minuses vs. the others. Everyone has to evaluate them and decide for themselves, but the importance of the overall system and community of support and used goods should not be ignored. You can't look at these four bodies in a vacuum with just their kit lenses, unless that is all you intend to shoot with. A lot of people however don't realize that once they get into they will want much more than the kit lens. Many features are marketing hype. Any in-body anti-dust features out now besides olympus's are a joke and are no better than a few puffs from a bulb blower.
There was nothing wrong in the article. It's just a fluff piece that compares the on paper features of four bodies, and ignores the overall picture. I basically say choose from the Nikon and Canon. For the system, base, and longevity.
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How can I be anti-Canon when I own a Canon film body and 50mm lens? 😕
 
How can I express derision at an article "Because they didn't fall head over heels for anything and everything Canon?" when I owned a D50 for a year and loved it?
 
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