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[irishScott]

Right. Frankly, I don't see why Iran can't have more power in the region. I mean, they are the natural great civilization of the mid-east, and I think that having power would actually allow them to mature a little bit.

Oh dear God take a history class. A real one. It would do you so much good..

 

[Jhhnn]

Up to this point, there is no agreement; so Iran is refusing access.

The Iran rep is tap dancing hoping that people will not see through his statement.

What is the difference between refusing access and rejecting a visit.

Similar to "Come on by, I will show you my place."
Upon arrival "Look at the yard but you can not come inside the house."

Sigh. They've denied access at the present to the Parchin military base. The IAEA has not alleged any production of nuclear materials there, nor did they find any evidence of such when they inspected it twice in 2005. IAEA demands in that regard appear to be an attempt to create a propaganda opportunity, which apparently worked.

That does not mean that Iran has denied IAEA inspectors ongoing access to their production facilities where agreements have been in place for years.

 

[Craig234]

Oh dear God take a history class. A real one. It would do you so much good..

Courtesy of Wikipedia:

Iran is home to one of the world's oldest civilizations.[21] The first dynasty in Iran formed during the Elamite kingdom in 2800 BC. The Iranian Medes unified Iran into an empire in 625 BC.[1] They were succeeded by the Iranian Achaemenid Empire, the Hellenic Seleucid Empire and two subsequent Iranian empires, the Parthians and the Sassanids, before the Muslim conquest in 651 AD. Iranian post-Islamic dynasties and empires expanded the Persian language and culture throughout the Iranian plateau. Early Iranian dynasties which re-asserted Iranian independence included the Tahirids, Saffarids, Samanids and Buyids.

The blossoming of Persian literature, philosophy, medicine, astronomy, mathematics and art became major elements of Muslim civilization. Iranian identity continued despite foreign rule in the ensuing centuries[22] and Persian culture was adopted also by the Ghaznavids,[23] Seljuk,[24][25] Ilkhanid[26] and Timurid[27] rulers. The emergence in 1501 of the Safavid dynasty,[2] which promoted Twelver Shia Islam[28] as the official religion of their empire, marked one of the most important turning points in Iranian and Muslim history.[29] The Persian Constitutional Revolution established the nation's first parliament in 1906, within a constitutional monarchy. In 1953 Iran became an authoritarian regime, following a coup d'état instigated by the UK and US. Growing dissent with foreign influence culminated during the Iranian Revolution which led to establishment of an Islamic republic on 1 April 1979

 

[EagleKeeper]

Sigh. They've denied access at the present to the Parchin military base. The IAEA has not alleged any production of nuclear materials there, nor did they find any evidence of such when they inspected it twice in 2005. IAEA demands in that regard appear to be an attempt to create a propaganda opportunity, which apparently worked.

That does not mean that Iran has denied IAEA inspectors ongoing access to their production facilities where agreements have been in place for years.

I am not stating that they have been denies access to other facilities.

I am stating that there are presently no IAEA inspections ongoing; as a result of the disagreement over Parchin.

You claim that there are; yet have provide no links supporting such assertions.

Others have provided links stating that the IAEA is not in country as a result of Parchin.

 

[Jhhnn]

I am not stating that they have been denies access to other facilities.

I am stating that there are presently no IAEA inspections ongoing; as a result of the disagreement over Parchin.

You claim that there are; yet have provide no links supporting such assertions.

Others have provided links stating that the IAEA is not in country as a result of Parchin.

Oh, please. If the IAEA had been denied access to Iran's production facilities, they'd be screaming bloody murder. They're not, and they haven't claimed being denied such access, ever, since the inspection protocols have been in place.

The links posted earlier said that the negotiating team had left Iran, and nothing more. You're jumping to conclusions, just as the creators of some very carefully formulated propaganda want you to do. If the IAEA has abandoned inspections, which any rational person would see as dereliction of their duty, their mandate, it would be of their own choosing. There is no evidence that they have.

 

[Anarchist420]

It's pretty much been confirmed that Iran is not developing nuclear weapons and I don't know why anyone would believe they were.

America's entry into war will come about only through a black flag which I hope neither kills me nor injures me.

Neocons are nothing other than fat ass communist pussies. That is, they're sending really ignorant Americans off to die while they distort the market so they can profit off the innocent americans getting killed or mentally destabilized.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Oh, please. If the IAEA had been denied access to Iran's production facilities, they'd be screaming bloody murder. They're not, and they haven't claimed being denied such access, ever, since the inspection protocols have been in place.

The links posted earlier said that the negotiating team had left Iran, and nothing more. You're jumping to conclusions, just as the creators of some very carefully formulated propaganda want you to do. If the IAEA has abandoned inspections, which any rational person would see as dereliction of their duty, their mandate, it would be of their own choosing. There is no evidence that they have.

Oh please just apologize......you are mis-representing the truth.
Which is the IAEA pulled all inspectors out of Iran. There is currently no inspectors in Iran!!
NO the IAEA would not be screaming bloody murder.....why?
because they have no agenda one way or the other. The IAEA will let the world scream bloody murder.

Your opinions are very inaccurate and border on being asinine!!

 

[Lemon law]

Sigh, EK, the IAEA have the track records of turds, yet somehow we think their unfounded suspicions somehow have any credibility. As they are the same IAEA who told us Saddam Huessain in Iraq had all that WMD, As more rational IAEA officials admit there is zero evidence that Iran has violated any principle of the Nuclear Non proliferation treaty.

And then to really guild the turd, we ignore and refuse to investigate the Israeli nuclear program.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oh please just apologize......you are mis-representing the truth.
Which is the IAEA pulled all inspectors out of Iran. There is currently no inspectors in Iran!!
NO the IAEA would not be screaming bloody murder.....why?
because they have no agenda one way or the other. The IAEA will let the world scream bloody murder.

Your opinions are very inaccurate and border on being asinine!!

Heh. just repeating the same propaganda over & over again doesn't make it true.

The IAEA agenda is highly politicized, particularly under Amano's leadership, and they have exceeded their mandate & the terms of the NPT with their latest report. They also have an obligation to inspect-

The Government of Iran undertakes, pursuant to paragraph 1 of Article III of the [NPT], to accept safeguards, in accordance with the terms of this Agreement, on all source or special fissionable material in all peaceful nuclear activities within its territory, under its jurisdiction or carried out under its control anywhere, for the exclusive purpose of verifying that such material is not diverted to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices. ... The [IAEA] shall have the right and the obligation to ensure that safeguards will be applied, in accordance with the terms of this Agreement, on all source or special fissionable material in all peaceful nuclear activities within the territory of Iran, under its jurisdiction or carried out under its control anywhere, for the exclusive purpose of verifying that such material is not diverted to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.

Right and obligation...

http://current.com/1eb12kc

Basically, you're accusing the IAEA of dereliction of their duty to inspect Iran's production facilities, which, if true, would serve to discredit the organization entirely.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Basically, you're accusing the IAEA of dereliction of their duty to inspect Iran's production facilities, which, if true, would serve to discredit the organization entirely.

basically your being called out on your assertion that their are IAEA inspectors in Irann at this very moment -- which there aren`t!

Instead of posting proof that there are inspectors presently in Iran your your arguments are that of a child who knows they have been busted and you are valiantly trying to argue your way out of a no win situation!

Obviously when the IAEA pulled all their inspectors out of Iran they did NOT feel they were being derelict in their duties. What they were saying to Iran is we inspect all or nothing!! There is no sense having limited access to areas...if you have nothing to hide then give us access to everything!!

On one hand you say they have an agenda and then on the other hand you say the IAEA was irresponsible for pulling their inspectors out of Iran!!

So what do you do....you think posting 2 or 3 year old links or articles addresses what is happening presently.......well you might...if you lived in a fantasy land....


It`s ok...I have accepted the fact that you will not apologize for all the misinformation and bogus information you have subjected people on these forums too!!

 

[Jhhnn]

basically your being called out on your assertion that their are IAEA inspectors in Irann at this very moment -- which there aren`t!

Instead of posting proof that there are inspectors presently in Iran your your arguments are that of a child who knows they have been busted and you are valiantly trying to argue your way out of a no win situation!

Obviously when the IAEA pulled all their inspectors out of Iran they did NOT feel they were being derelict in their duties. What they were saying to Iran is we inspect all or nothing!! There is no sense having limited access to areas...if you have nothing to hide then give us access to everything!!

On one hand you say they have an agenda and then on the other hand you say the IAEA was irresponsible for pulling their inspectors out of Iran!!

So what do you do....you think posting 2 or 3 year old links or articles addresses what is happening presently.......well you might...if you lived in a fantasy land....


It`s ok...I have accepted the fact that you will not apologize for all the misinformation and bogus information you have subjected people on these forums too!!

I haven't asserted that there are inspectors in Iran at this very moment, but feel free to argue against your own strawman if that's all you have. I linked to the inspection regimen earlier.

You have no evidence that the IAEA has ceased such inspections, rather that their team of negotiators left the country in late Feb after an accord for inspection of Parchin was not reached. Their desires in that regard actually exceed their mandate and their agreement with Iran, also linked. The IAEA has not alleged the existence of any nuclear material at Parchin.

The rest? Warmongering, attempting to create justification for attack out of thin air, and attempting to silence or discredit anybody who points out those attempts for what they are.