News Pentagon tracking suspected Chinese spy balloon over the US

Muse

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Don't we have satellites spying on them?

On the news they said it was higher than aircraft but lower than satellites and over Montana, presumably spying on our missile launch facilities. They said Biden initially was for shooting it down by our jets but they decided the chance of damage from falling debris was reason to not do so.
 

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Don't we have satellites spying on them?

On the news they said it was higher than aircraft but lower than satellites and over Montana, presumably spying on our missile launch facilities. They said Biden initially was for shooting it down by our jets but they decided the chance of damage from falling debris was reason to not do so.
What would the debris fall on...? It’s Montana!
 
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This shit happens all the time. why is this making such sensational headlines? because it's a balloon and not a satellite or airplane?
 
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It's probably just a balloon-sat project where they didn't notify the FAA prior to launch.
I bet the military knows this and doesn't want the embarrassment of wasting an expensive missile to shoot down a toy.
 

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China: Balloon over US skies is for research, wind pushed it
BEIJING (AP) — China said Friday that a balloon spotted over American airspace was used for weather research and was blown off course, despite U.S. suspicion it was spying. The discovery further strained already tense relations between Beijing and Washington.

The Pentagon decided not to shoot down the balloon, which was potentially flying over sensitive sites, because of concerns of hurting people on the ground.

The news came as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken was expected to make his first trip to Beijing this weekend. The visit has not been formally announced, and it was not immediately clear if the balloon’s discovery would affect his travel plans. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Mao Ning said Friday she had no information on the trip.

Blinken would be the highest-ranking member of President Joe Biden’s administration to visit China, on a mission to mitigate a sharp downturn in relations between the countries amid trade disputes and concerns about Beijing’s increasingly aggressive stance toward Taiwan and in the South China Sea.

In a statement late Friday, the Chinese Foreign Ministry said the balloon a was civilian airship used mainly for meteorological research. The ministry said the airship has limited “self-steering” capabilities and “deviated far from its planned course” because of winds.

“The Chinese side regrets the unintended entry of the airship into U.S. airspace due to force majeure,” the statement said, citing a legal term used to refer to events beyond one’s control.

On Thursday, a senior American defense official told Pentagon reporters that the U.S. has “very high confidence” that the object spotted over U.S. airspace in recent days was a Chinese high-altitude balloon and that it was flying over sensitive sites to collect information. One of the places the balloon was spotted was Montana, which is home to one of the nation’s three nuclear missile silo fields at Malmstrom Air Force Base. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information.

The defense official said the U.S. has assessed that the balloon has “limited” value in terms of providing intelligence that couldn’t be obtained by other technologies, such as spy satellites.

It was not clear what will happen with the balloon if it isn’t brought down.

Pentagon press secretary Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said Thursday that similar balloon activity has been seen in the past several years and the government has taken steps to ensure no sensitive information was stolen.

He said the balloon was traveling well above the height commercial aircraft fly at and didn’t present a threat to people on the ground.

Biden was briefed and asked the military to present options, according to a senior administration official, who was also not authorized to publicly discuss sensitive information. The senior defense official said the U.S. prepared fighter jets, including F-22s, to shoot down the balloon if ordered.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, advised against taking “kinetic action” because of risks to the safety of people on the ground. Biden accepted that recommendation.

Even though the balloon was over a sparsely populated area of Montana, its size would create a debris field large enough that it could have put people at risk.

The defense official would not specify the size of the balloon but said commercial pilots could spot it from their cockpits.

The balloon was first reported by NBC News.

A photograph of a large white balloon lingering over the area was captured by The Billings Gazette. It could be seen drifting in and out of clouds and had what appeared to be a solar array hanging from the bottom, said Gazette photographer Larry Mayer.

The balloon’s appearance adds to national security concerns among American lawmakers over China’s influence in the U.S., ranging from the prevalence of the hugely popular smartphone app TikTok to purchases of American farmland.

“China’s brazen disregard for U.S. sovereignty is a destabilizing action that must be addressed,” Republican Party House Speaker Kevin McCarthy tweeted.

Tensions with China are particularly high on numerous issues, ranging from Taiwan and the South China Sea to human rights in China’s western Xinjiang region and the clampdown on democracy activists in Hong Kong. Not least on that list of irritants are China’s tacit support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, its refusal to rein in North Korea’s expanding ballistic missile program and ongoing disputes over trade and technology.

On Tuesday, Taiwan scrambled fighter jets, put its navy on alert and activated missile systems in response to nearby operations by 34 Chinese military aircraft and nine warships that are part Beijing’s strategy to unsettle and intimidate the self-governing island democracy.

Twenty of those aircraft crossed the central line in the Taiwan Strait that has long been an unofficial buffer zone between the two sides, which separated during a civil war in 1949.

Beijing has also increased preparations for a potential blockade or military action against Taiwan, which has stirred increasing concern among military leaders, diplomats and elected officials in the U.S., Taiwan’s key ally.
 

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Chinese likely did that to embarrass us just before a visit by our Sec of State.

They should follow it for a while trying to determine intent. Can we send up a plane and try to ID it? If we just shoot down a weather balloon it would make us look reactionary.

If the reconnaissance flight shows it is a spy device then pump a few holes in it and bring it down.
 

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Most ridiculous news conference ever by the Pentegon. Literally, no information was provided as answers to every question by reporters. Why, bother having a news conference. You mean it's a secret how to use a telescope or a camera from a plane to tell you how big the Fn balloon is? Military intelligence, what an oxymoron. No over classification going on here.
 
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I don't think it was wise to cancel Blinken's trip over this. Give me a break. While I'm not generally inclined to believe anything that comes from Beijing, maybe they're telling the truth this time. The reason being that it makes absolutely no sense in this day and age to use a balloon for espionage. China has its own satellites, so...

Yet even if they're lying and they are actually spying on us, so what? We're spying on them too. In fact, everyone is freaking spying on everyone else. All the time. Even our allies are spying on us, and we're spying on them! Not a good reason to cancel a diplomatic visit.
 
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It's probably just a balloon-sat project where they didn't notify the FAA prior to launch.
I bet the military knows this and doesn't want the embarrassment of wasting an expensive missile to shoot down a toy.
From what I saw in the Washington Post, it apparently can be somewhat difficult to destroy a balloon - they don't really pop like party balloons. They just slowly deflate. And I would guess targeting them with a missile could be difficult, expensive, or just not wanting to give away capabilities.
 

evident

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Well when it bursts we'll know if it's going to be a boy or a girl. ;)
It was a random sunday afternoon when i heard two large helicopters fly low over my house , did circles around a neighbor's house for about 15 minutes and then dropped two canisters.... only when pink smoke came out i realized it was for a F'n gender reveal. These people are ridiculously over the top
 

hal2kilo

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From what I saw in the Washington Post, it apparently can be somewhat difficult to destroy a balloon - they don't really pop like party balloons. They just slowly deflate. And I would guess targeting them with a missile could be difficult, expensive, or just not wanting to give away capabilities.
Give away what capabilities. Here we go again. Sling Shot!
 

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From what I saw in the Washington Post, it apparently can be somewhat difficult to destroy a balloon - they don't really pop like party balloons. They just slowly deflate. And I would guess targeting them with a missile could be difficult, expensive, or just not wanting to give away capabilities.
What is the altitude of this 3 bus sized ballon? Can you just hook it with a helicopter and drag it down?
 

hal2kilo

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What is the altitude of this 3 bus sized ballon? Can you just hook it with a helicopter and drag it down?
Well, they did squeeze out during the "news" conference that it was at about 60K ft.