Oh, and by the way, Democrats in power are somehow able to interpret what you cannot, conjur:
New York Times
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Pentagon investigates Kerry's war medals
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More from the Boston Globe:
[Hat tip: Ed Morrisey]
Even Kerry's biographer, Douglas Brinkley, acknowledges the emphasis on military service. From the same article:
[Hat tip: Ed Morrisey]
Even Kerry's biographer, Douglas Brinkley, acknowledges the emphasis on military service. From the same article:
XZeroII
Lifer
I don't know about anyone else here, but I want the TRUTH. I don't care about politics or any of that other crap. I want to know the TRUTH. This is the way to get the truth. If Kerry wants to announce everywhere that he is a war hero, and there are some doubts, then let's find out who is right and who is wrong ONCE AND FOR ALL! Kerry started the whole military service part of his campaign, and if he really is the man he claims to be, then he and liberals have nothing to worry about. When voting for who will be the President of this country, I want all the FACTS. Well, lets get the facts.
I hope you feel the same way about Bush's service and the missing files.
The problem with the Kerry stuff is the military decided to give him medals. Now they must have done SOME investigation at first. Now people are going over it NOW? So far there hasn't been any sufficient evidence to suggest this warrants re-investigation. If you are going to give credence to Bush's dishonorable discharge, give Kerry's records the same respect.
umbrella39
Lifer
Why? Because you want answers? Do you honestly think that Bush does not have a team of people trying to dig sh!t up on Kerry? Do you honestly think that if there was any credible evidence that Kerry has exagerated his war record the Bush team would not have pressed the issue. GMAFB.
That's what the SBVT are for. Camp Bush knows there is no way to discredit Kerry so having a third party cast doubts was the next best solution. And uh, it worked and is continuing to work. Well done.
Hossenfeffer
Diamond Member
Bleh. We've got to demand that the candidates move on to relevant issues.
OneOfTheseDays
Diamond Member
agreed, I think all of America has heard enough about Vietnam and Purple Hearts. Let's talk foreign policy for christ sakes, seems like no candidate wants to discuss this issue at length or in depth.
Do you honestly think that Kerry doesn't have a team of people trying to dig sh!t up on Bush?
Do you really think the fact that Kerry continues to campaign on a questionable War record has nothing to do with the scrutiny being leveled at him? He's carrying his own flippin' magnifying glass for goodness sake! Even his own party is telling him to put the damn thing down. If that's an indication of how a Kerry Presidency would run... go ahead; give me a reason to believe it'd be different. He asserts the US needs to "get along' with UN entities. The guy can't even get along with his own campaign staff...
Move on.
Movon.org that is. Oh, I know, some of you libs don't agree with movon and some of the fringe efforts and you can't control what they say and, and, and... But hey, no harm no foul right? And if they happened to put some media out there that actually stuck against Bush it'd be more than just "casting doubt" now wouldn't it? Now really, with Camp Kerry counting on historical media bias and the "Anybody but Bush" crowd literally doing Anybody to beat Bush, don't you think that the one who is standing up to scrutiny here is Bush and not Kerry? Of course you don't. But then, you probably believe the Democrat spun hype the media brings to the love fest. Don't look now, every major media outlet is climbing over each other in a hasty attempt to distance themselves from the snafu that is Camp Kerry.
A: Damn, we can't win this argument, let's campaign on something else
B: We can't. He won't stop mentioning Vietnam.
A: Replace his staff then. Mabye he'll listen to our heavy hitters.
B: Not likely, it looks like he really believes his own war stories.
A: Who gives a f*ck about his war record, we're taking on water and I for one am not going down with the ship!
B: You know, it's going to look bad if we distance ourselves from our nominee.
A: Better for us to look disorganized than disingenuous.
B: When the hell did we start using that word!?
XZeroII
Lifer
Bush is not touting his military service (or lack thereof). He is not using it to persuade people people to vote for him, and Kerry is not using it against him. There is no reason to find out the truth because it will not make a difference. However, Kerry is persuading people to vote for him because he is a military hero. If this is not true, I think the people had better know before they vote.
Yes, if Bush were making claims about himself that could be questionable, then by all means they should be investigated fully so the people know the truth.
sandorski
No Lifer
Dubya has plenty of "skeletons", which we've all heard through the years.
What really seems whacked here is how 9/11 and other issues get delayed until Public pressure forces Investigations, but as soon as a Political Opponent gets accussed by a known group of accusers who can't keep their stories straight, BAM Investigation Time.
It stinks to high heaven and makes me think that the next Democratic President will endure another Clinton Witchhunt.
Ozoned
Diamond Member
Kerry Should Remove Silver Star Pending Review
Original Request for Investigation
Dishonorable Commissioned Service:
According to publicly available records, Senator Kerry was released from Active Duty and transferred to the Naval Reserve (inactive) on 3 January 1970. On 1 July 1972 he was transferred to the Standby Reserve (inactive). While a commissioned officer in the inactive Naval Reserve, Senator Kerry traveled to Paris, France and met with official delegations from the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the Provisional Revolutionary Government (the Viet Cong). The Vietnamese Communists eagerly met Senator Kerry and benefited directly from the obvious propaganda victory (See Exhibit 2, page 126 ? 129).
These acts are clear violations of the legal prohibitions on individual citizens negotiating with foreign powers (18 U.S.C. ' 953) and the constitutional prohibition against giving support to our nation?s enemies in wartime (Article III, Section 3). Additionally, as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve, Senator Kerry was subject to the UCMJ, and likely violated Article 104 (?Aiding the Enemy?) through his actions with the North Vietnamese/Viet Cong delegation.
Senator Kerry returned from his private negotiations with the Vietnamese Communists to Washington, DC and held a press conference. At that press event, Senator Kerry advocated a Vietnamese Communist ?peace proposal? calling for a U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam and payment of war damage reparations to the Communist government. Senator Kerry engaged in this advocacy on behalf of a foreign power with who we were at war while continuing to hold a commission as an officer in the U.S. Naval Reserve.
A detailed treatment of Senator Kerry?s dishonorable service during the period from 3 January 1970 through 16 February 1978, when he was incorrectly granted an ?Honorable Discharge,? can be found in Exhibit 2, Chapters 6 ? 10, pages 99 ? 185.
Original Request for Investigation
Dishonorable Commissioned Service:
According to publicly available records, Senator Kerry was released from Active Duty and transferred to the Naval Reserve (inactive) on 3 January 1970. On 1 July 1972 he was transferred to the Standby Reserve (inactive). While a commissioned officer in the inactive Naval Reserve, Senator Kerry traveled to Paris, France and met with official delegations from the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (North Vietnam) and the Provisional Revolutionary Government (the Viet Cong). The Vietnamese Communists eagerly met Senator Kerry and benefited directly from the obvious propaganda victory (See Exhibit 2, page 126 ? 129).
These acts are clear violations of the legal prohibitions on individual citizens negotiating with foreign powers (18 U.S.C. ' 953) and the constitutional prohibition against giving support to our nation?s enemies in wartime (Article III, Section 3). Additionally, as a commissioned officer of the Naval Reserve, Senator Kerry was subject to the UCMJ, and likely violated Article 104 (?Aiding the Enemy?) through his actions with the North Vietnamese/Viet Cong delegation.
Senator Kerry returned from his private negotiations with the Vietnamese Communists to Washington, DC and held a press conference. At that press event, Senator Kerry advocated a Vietnamese Communist ?peace proposal? calling for a U.S. withdrawal from Vietnam and payment of war damage reparations to the Communist government. Senator Kerry engaged in this advocacy on behalf of a foreign power with who we were at war while continuing to hold a commission as an officer in the U.S. Naval Reserve.
A detailed treatment of Senator Kerry?s dishonorable service during the period from 3 January 1970 through 16 February 1978, when he was incorrectly granted an ?Honorable Discharge,? can be found in Exhibit 2, Chapters 6 ? 10, pages 99 ? 185.
Wow, other than just plain being embarrassed about Kerry, I don't see how anyone can just pretend that his actions while commissioned and afterward aren't critical discussion for a run for presidency; being that he's campaigned on it. Anti-bush crowd wants to move past Kerry's service, understandably... Unfortunately for them, Kerry's proud of his 'covert' acts and loves to talk about himself.
umbrella39
Lifer
for the troll. What wars have you fought it junior? I mean other than the ones that when you die, you can respawn at the Command Post?LOL.
Reminds me of when Bush Sr. was running for President and the S&L fiasco, which was know about before the election somehow never say the light of day until after teh election. Weren't some Bushes involved in that? Talk about timing!!
Now tell me that timing isn't the issue, it's the seriousness of the charge. LOL!!
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Hey, we agree 😀
TheGameIs21
Golden Member
I haven't read all of the replies but I thought I'd share my view...
1. People want all of the Vietnam talk to stop... Kerry is the one that began his candidacy on his Vietnam Experience. That makes Vietnam a valid discussion when talking about Kerry.
2. John Kerry didn't fill out his DD-214. This was done by the Command at his station when he seperated. If the command at his station says he got the "V" then until it's prove otherwise, he gets it and there are no illegal activities. The DD-214 isn't created by looking at the members uniform, it is created by the personnel record. For those that don't know what a DD-214 is, it is the document you get from the military when you leave active duty. Some of the information included are time in service and awards. It is considered "Gospel" since the command fills this out from your record.
3. This wont be a legal issue if it turns out that the DD-214 was filled out incorrectly by his command. He'll just lose the V pin and go from there.
4. I am all for the military checking both candidates.
5. Conjur needs to calm down when it comes to being a post cop. I bet half of his posts are from bitching about reposts and thread location.
[EDIT] Before people start tapping their sarcasm meter to see if it's accurate... It is 100% sarcasm on #5.[/EDIT]
1. People want all of the Vietnam talk to stop... Kerry is the one that began his candidacy on his Vietnam Experience. That makes Vietnam a valid discussion when talking about Kerry.
2. John Kerry didn't fill out his DD-214. This was done by the Command at his station when he seperated. If the command at his station says he got the "V" then until it's prove otherwise, he gets it and there are no illegal activities. The DD-214 isn't created by looking at the members uniform, it is created by the personnel record. For those that don't know what a DD-214 is, it is the document you get from the military when you leave active duty. Some of the information included are time in service and awards. It is considered "Gospel" since the command fills this out from your record.
3. This wont be a legal issue if it turns out that the DD-214 was filled out incorrectly by his command. He'll just lose the V pin and go from there.
4. I am all for the military checking both candidates.
5. Conjur needs to calm down when it comes to being a post cop. I bet half of his posts are from bitching about reposts and thread location.
[EDIT] Before people start tapping their sarcasm meter to see if it's accurate... It is 100% sarcasm on #5.[/EDIT]
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