Pentagon investigates Kerry's war medals

[PELarson]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: PELarson

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: her209
The Pentagon also needs to investigate Bush's military record.

But they won't AND this was directed by the BUSH Administration -- this is not some NON-Partisan Commission who chose to do this...

This is disgusting.. I wish the citizens of America were bright enough to see this.. but they aren't

The problem is, the former Navy Seceratary claims he never saw, or signed the silver star citation.

It might not be Lehman's signature but that of the Secretary of Navy at the time. Who was John Lester Hubbard Chafee.

John H. Chafee...............................31 Jan 1969 - 4 May 1972

I should really rephrase that to be a former Secretary of the Navy never saw or signed the citation that has his signature on it. Him being a former Secretary is stating his credibility. If you can believe him, then I guess you certainly couldnt believe the for Lt Gov of Texas who said he helped Bush get into the air nationa guard.

I have seen the comment attributed to Secretary Lehman and Senator John Chafee passed away in 1999.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Sketcher

Originally posted by: Infohawk
This is pathetic. Pathetic for American democracy, which is already in a sorry state.

They should really have this sh|t completed before election day.

They should really have this sh|t completed before they name a presidential candidate nominee.

What kind of dimw---

This pentagon is instigating this investigation NOW. Are you saying they should have predicted the pentagon would sell out to the repugs?

The military gave Kerry these awards. Are you saying they made a mistake?

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What kind of dimw---
This pentagon is instigating this investigation NOW. Are you saying they should have predicted the pentagon would sell out to the repugs?
The military gave Kerry these awards. Are you saying they made a mistake?

So, if Dubya had something listed in his NG service that didn't come to light 'till now and it was a significant enough issue that it'd affect his credibility; thus affect his campaign, are you saying you'd feel fine and dandy lettin' an inquiry (Pentagon or otherwise) pass until the election and possiblity a presidency finished? I'm not saying the Pentagon made a mistake and I'm not saying that Kerry falsified his war record. I'll let the investigation determine that.

What I'm saying is that from the git-go Kerry's commanded the helm of his campaign. From the beginning he put his war record on display and HE's the one who continues to wave his service (most recently at his midnight meeting chasing the RNC close) in the face of everyone ad-nauseum. Posting his DD214 should have been an obvious starting point for anyone on his team to verify the facts. Kerry's the one putting the magnifying glass on his record, on his "Valor". Why is anyone suprised that someone actually looked up the requirements for the medals listed on his DD214?

A side note, but relevant. I have a number of ribbons, medals and commendations listed on my DD214. Each award has a 'point value' which if I apply for employment for any federal or state job position effectively allows me opportunities that someone with less points does not have. If I actually apply for such a position and claim my awards for placement, the authenticity of my DD214 is verified by the local hiring office, state VA and Washington DC VA. Now, you can't tell me that my applying for a Post Office position somehow carries with it historicity that an Presidential election campaign can side step? Sure, there might not be an actual process to verify a war heroe's record upon accepting a party nomination for presidency, but someone bringing to light this kind of information even at the 11th hour is not something to cry over. As I mentioned. If it were Dubya who was in this pickle it'd be a feeding frenzy and lawn chairs would be piled higher than the poorly slung rhetoric in this forum.

The Pentagon sold out? I suppose the New York Times and Washington post are selling out too now that they're actually publishing articles that clearly distance themselves and the democratic campaign from Kerry's conflicts?

What kind of dimwit? The kind of dimwit that knows if you're going to campaign on something, it better be a damn good thing to compaign on.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan
the investigation isn't the upsetting part.. it is the timing.. 🙁

Yep😛 I guess the days of it being the "seriousness of the charge" are gone and we're in the era of "timing" 😛

Absolutely hilarious...

CsG

SCREW OFF DORK

HA HA HA

The timing>> MEANING IT IS FVCKING POLITICAL

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan
the investigation isn't the upsetting part.. it is the timing.. 🙁

Yep😛 I guess the days of it being the "seriousness of the charge" are gone and we're in the era of "timing" 😛

Absolutely hilarious...

CsG

SCREW OFF DORK

HA HA HA

The timing>> MEANING IT IS FVCKING POLITICAL

CsG

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

We could be talking about jobs, the economy, health care, foreign policy, but nope we're still stuck on Vietnam. This is truly sad for politics. The American people deserve better.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
We could be talking about jobs, the economy, health care, foreign policy, but nope we're still stuck on Vietnam. This is truly sad for politics. The American people deserve better.

That's exactly what Mary Beth Cahill said on Sunday's Face The Nation.

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
We could be talking about jobs, the economy, health care, foreign policy, but nope we're still stuck on Vietnam. This is truly sad for politics. The American people deserve better.

That's exactly what Mary Beth Cahill said on Sunday's Face The Nation.

Who brought Vietnam up?

Kerry. In one his first press releases as a candidate for the democratic nomination, he questioned Bush's National Guard Service during Vietnam.

He then went on and made his service the central theme of his campagin.

Kerry's campaign has been full of miscalculations. He should have never tried to run on his vietnam service.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
We could be talking about jobs, the economy, health care, foreign policy, but nope we're still stuck on Vietnam. This is truly sad for politics. The American people deserve better.

Well if this is significant for Kerry, then shouldn't it be discussed?

 

[digitalsm]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dahunan
the investigation isn't the upsetting part.. it is the timing.. 🙁

Yep😛 I guess the days of it being the "seriousness of the charge" are gone and we're in the era of "timing" 😛

Absolutely hilarious...

CsG

SCREW OFF DORK

HA HA HA

The timing>> MEANING IT IS FVCKING POLITICAL

Why is Kerry not submitting to the Freedom of Information requests of his record? He has released less than 10% of his records and has made some questionable claims. Of course its political, but its the Judical Watch pressing for it. It was bound to happen, either through lawsuits or by voluntary action.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
We could be talking about jobs, the economy, health care, foreign policy, but nope we're still stuck on Vietnam. This is truly sad for politics. The American people deserve better.

That's exactly what Mary Beth Cahill said on Sunday's Face The Nation.

Who brought Vietnam up?

Kerry. In one his first press releases as a candidate for the democratic nomination, he questioned Bush's National Guard Service during Vietnam.

Link?

He then went on and made his service the central theme of his campagin [sic].

Uh, no he didn't.

Kerry's campaign has been full of miscalculations. He should have never tried to run on his vietnam service.

Agree with the latter but must disagree with the former.

 

[Martin]

Bringing Honour and Dignity...

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: conjur

[...]

He then went on and made his service the central theme of his campagin [sic].

Uh, no he didn't.

Uh, even your beloved mainstream media disagrees with yet another of your assertions.

In an expansive conversation, Clinton told Kerry that he should move away from talking about Vietnam, which had been the central theme of his candidacy, and focus instead on drawing contrasts with President Bush on job creation and health care policies, officials with knowledge of the conversation said.

NYT via Minneapolis Star

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Kerry mysterious combat "v"

The presence of the combat ?V? with Kerry?s Silver Star on his DD 214 raises two extremely disquieting questions. How did the unauthorized ?V? get there, and why has Kerry allowed it to remain?

To answer the second part of your question, quite honestly, he may not have known. You probably know as well as I that many non-careerists, especially those years removed from the service, don't really have a clue about awards and decorations. If the award is on his DD214, it isn't his mistake.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I think the American public is tired of hearing about Vietnam, the damage has already been done and its really becoming a non-issue. We literally occupied the month of August talking about it. We should demand our potential leaders to focus on the issues.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: conjur

[...]

He then went on and made his service the central theme of his campagin [sic].

Uh, no he didn't.

Uh, even your beloved mainstream media disagrees with yet another of your assertions.

In an expansive conversation, Clinton told Kerry that he should move away from talking about Vietnam, which had been the central theme of his candidacy, and focus instead on drawing contrasts with President Bush on job creation and health care policies, officials with knowledge of the conversation said.

NYT via Minneapolis Star

I don't think that really undeniably says that Kerry's campaign was centered on Vietnam. Seems more of an added opinion of a newspaper.

 

[sandorski]

Unbelievable.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: conjur

[...]

He then went on and made his service the central theme of his campagin [sic].

Uh, no he didn't.

Uh, even your beloved mainstream media disagrees with yet another of your assertions.

In an expansive conversation, Clinton told Kerry that he should move away from talking about Vietnam, which had been the central theme of his candidacy, and focus instead on drawing contrasts with President Bush on job creation and health care policies, officials with knowledge of the conversation said.

NYT via Minneapolis Star

Have you listened to any of Kerry's campaign rallies? I've seen a few on C-SPAN and watched the DNC. The thing Kerry harps on the most is the economy. The jobs lost under Bush. That's the central theme of his campaign.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I don't think that really undeniably says that Kerry's campaign was centered on Vietnam. Seems more of an added opinion of a newspaper.

Actually, a newspaper and a wire service:

USA Today

Some Democrats have complained that Kerry waited too long before fully responding to attacks on his military service in Vietnam, especially after making his war experience central to the Democratic convention five weeks ago.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: conjur
Have you listened to any of Kerry's campaign rallies? I've seen a few on C-SPAN and watched the DNC. The thing Kerry harps on the most is the economy. The jobs lost under Bush. That's the central theme of his campaign.

Yes, in the last week. Oh, and his solution? Let things continue as they are and we'll gain ten million jobs over the next ten years.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: burnedout

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

I don't think that really undeniably says that Kerry's campaign was centered on Vietnam. Seems more of an added opinion of a newspaper.

Actually, a newspaper and a wire service:

USA Today

Some Democrats have complained that Kerry waited too long before fully responding to attacks on his military service in Vietnam, especially after making his war experience central to the Democratic convention five weeks ago.

That still doesn't say that Vietnam is the defining point of his campaign. However, I do agree that Vietnam was a very important portion of his convention speech as well as has significance for his candidacy.

 

[raildogg]

This is so sad, the Pentagon should have better things to do than this. Shameful.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: conjur
Have you listened to any of Kerry's campaign rallies? I've seen a few on C-SPAN and watched the DNC. The thing Kerry harps on the most is the economy. The jobs lost under Bush. That's the central theme of his campaign.

Yes, in the last week. Oh, and his solution? Let things continue as they are and we'll gain ten million jobs over the next ten years.

That's complete and utter BS and you know it!

 

[Sketcher]

Originally posted by: raildogg
This is so sad, the Pentagon should have better things to do than this. Shameful.

And if Dubya had skeletons that the Dems were interested in dusting off and the Pentagon acted indifferently the way you guys are saying they should what then? I imagine that would be shameful too.

No wonder Kerry thinks he can have everything both ways...

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: conjur
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Have you listened to any of Kerry's campaign rallies? I've seen a few on C-SPAN and watched the DNC. The thing Kerry harps on the most is the economy. The jobs lost under Bush. That's the central theme of his campaign.

So let me see if I'm able to interpret your twisted little game correctly. You'll whine rant and rave about every goddamned report from the mainstream media that's favorable towards Kerry or otherwise negative towards Bush. But when a couple reports surface thereby contradicting your grossly corrupt and fallacious argument, you immediately dismiss those.

You know something, son? Bias is very dangerous, particularly in the context of one possessing mental faculties on par with a domesticated reptile.

Yes, I've listened, and so has nearly everyone else. Obviously you have not. While Kerry has indeed talked about many issues, he's also played up his earlier military service - a service with a number of suspect skeletons, I might add.

If Bill Clinton hadn't reportedly told Kerry to STFU about it, then there would be no discussion. But there is discussion. Why? Because people are able to actually perceive what you cannot.

You can live in denial all you want.