Penryn 4.9GHz @ 1.42v.

[Nemesis 1]

I been reading quit abit about how the Wolfdales won't be stable much past 4 GHz. You guys saying this stuff. Where you getting your info from .

I have Also seen people claiming degrading of CPU if 1.45 V are used. Again were is that coming from .

I realize that Some get bad M/B or CPU or even memory. But If all the parts are good as advertized. Most those statements about stable O/C above 4 GHz are by people who either don't have a clue or they maybe work for Marketing. I was lucky enough to see Penryn 4core running at 4.4ghz. on 1.39 volts and it was stable. This was A month befor Penryn was released.

As I have said many times as Intel perfects the HighK/ Metal gate Tech we well see big gains in Cpu O/C and stock speeds.

Here is a wolfdale running on bonetrail.

http://ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=2277

Until this process matures a little more. My advice is to ignor the naysayers.

The reason I haven't jumped all over a penryn is 2 fold.

1) I want the process to mature a little longer.

2) I want Bonetrail X48 M/B . SO I will hold off till March. This PC will end up as my daily internet machine. When Nehalem comes out. So I am hopeing to get = results to the one linked above. I have read that Intel is going to release a 1600FSB Extreme Wolfdale . I hope its true. Just leave everthing @ stock and push up the mult.

Join the WOLF PACK have fun O/C.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I been reading quit abit about how the Wolfdales won't be stable much past 4 GHz. You guys saying this stuff. Where you getting your info from .

I have Also seen people claiming degrading of CPU if 1.45 V are used. Again were is that coming from .

I realize that Some get bad M/B or CPU or even memory. But If all the parts are good as advertized. Most those statements about stable O/C above 4 GHz are by people who either don't have a clue or they maybe work for Marketing. I was lucky enough to see Penryn 4core running at 4.4ghz. on 1.39 volts and it was stable. This was A month befor Penryn was released.

As I have said many times as Intel perfects the HighK/ Metal gate Tech we well see big gains in Cpu O/C and stock speeds.

Here is a wolfdale running on bonetrail.

http://ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=2277

Until this process matures a little more. My advice is to ignor the naysayers.

The reason I haven't jumped all over a penryn is 2 fold.

1) I want the process to mature a little longer.

2) I want Bonetrail X48 M/B . SO I will hold off till March. This PC will end up as my daily internet machine. When Nehalem comes out. So I am hopeing to get = results to the one linked above. I have read that Intel is going to release a 1600FSB Extreme Wolfdale . I hope its true. Just leave everthing @ stock and push up the mult.

Join the WOLF PACK have fun O/C.

Theres letter under that picture saying:

Tech4PC II e8400 @ 3.9ghz on AIR:
Intel Bonetrail @ 1.425v but
around 1.4V because of vdroop


3.9ghz @ 1.425 sounds about right. And definitely doable on air. expecially if its an open tech bench station.

EDIT: as i read down he has the super pi for a 4.9ghz but as i read more i got this:

oh also you gotta love this...

Kain
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Quote:
Originally Posted by P.P InDaHouse
LOL

ok, I will be waiting for those screens. 5.5ghz is very good for LN2 and you did it with aircooling I need to see that first (you need to protect that chip )

btw, you guys can call me just PP or Francisco

<his reply>
Thats ok Francisco.
This was given out by Intel North America, they said it was hand picked. So, I though this was going to do about 4.7ghz max on air.
And yes, screens wll be as I said when review @ my homepage is out

And actually, I have the terrible theory that this chip wont perform good on Subzero temps. but I hope it remains a theory and not law.









mmmm handpicked processors are nice. Expecially fuggers 4.8ghz octocore Skulltrail rig with 2 super cherry picked QX9775's...

ahhh it must really feel good being loved by intel.


sorry your post has no hard evidence... you NEVER MIX ES chips with normal ones. NEVER.

 

[RussianSensation]

That CPU-Z shot looks photoshopped. Look at the blue letters, even their size is off.

Either way this is what I found about the mobo they are using:

1) The FSB frequency can be adjusted in the interval from 133MHz to 500MHz with 1MHz increment. So how were they able to get 545 on this board if it's not even supported in the BIOS?

2) "We reflashed the BIOS with the newest 1217.1401 version, played with processor clock frequency multipliers, checked out different Memory Frequency and Reference Frequency combinations, but we could only get one of the following: failed boot-up and an offer to correct the BIOS settings or system boot-up at the mainboard?s favorite 322-325MHz FSB." - Source

3) (Continued from #2) In this case we assumed that Intel DX38BT mainboard cannot succeed at overclocking because we are using an engineering sample of Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 processor. So we decided to repeat our experiments with a regular Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 (1.86GHz, 266MHz FSB, 2MB, Conroe-2M, rev.B2). This CPU can work stably at 490MHz FSB with the Vcore increased to 1.45V. However, all our attempts to get it to run at this speed on Intel DX38BT mainboard were vain.

Xbitlabs concluded that in the current state, this board was an absolute failure in all aspects related to overclocking. So unless they got a bad beta board (which is possible), what you linked above can be at least questionable.

Not to mention, EVEN if that CPU clocked to 4.9ghz on Air, it could just be 1 outlier out of 100,000 samples. The idea of saying "I'll wait until the manufacturing process matures" is a good one at first thought, but then again new processors will come out (i.e. Nehalem) sooner or later and so on; and then 32nm and you could be waiting forever.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation

Not to mention, EVEN if that CPU clocked to 4.9ghz on Air, it could just be 1 outlier out of 100,000 samples. The idea of saying "I'll wait until the manufacturing process matures" is a good one at first thought, but then again new processors will come out (i.e. Nehalem) and so on and then 32nm and you could be waiting forever.

read my edits. your gonna love it. :T

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

read my edits. your gonna love it. :T

End of Thread: Hmm, I read this thread, and got quite on my nerves, from very early posts... Almost a full month ago people asked for prime screenies, and still none.. You make a quite stunning claim, and its truely marvellous if possible... But your really giving one a hard time beliving its not just BS when not posting a freaking picture within a month? - Page 9

But this guy did it with a stock cooler !!!! 4.9ghz stock ! :laugh:

 

[Nemesis 1]

Well it is the internet. So it is possiable that its not true. But YA know what really sticks in Mind / Was when Intel Demoed Conroe. FOR 6 MONTHS the naysayers were out in force. We all remember that.

If you were asked whats a good O/C for Q6600. Many would say<3.6. But if you look at the people threw out the web who Get Higher than 3.6 GHZ. You will see its the same people that always get the high O/C. When they get a bad chip they say so and they sell them and buy another.

Stop with the ES vs. Retail BS. OK! I believe the GO chip layed that to rest. I believe If Intel can do a GO chip on 40 year old process. They can do it with a process thats in its infancy.

This is from the same link I posted. At the top Page 8. Post 72. Much respected O/Cer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus
That is what i was thinking but how do you explain the 9.219 second superpi 1M score?


i know that in the past cherry picked CPUs from intel would do 100-200Mhz better than others but not 800-900Mhz like this one seems to be doing

i can understand 1M SuperPi with monster vcore but not prime at 1.42v at 4.9GHz

that is just sounding surreal
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Their is 2 things going on with this . I believe it was Turtle @ XS. Said that the Wolfs when Intel gets the process down . Would do 4.5 on Air and between 4.7- 4.8 on water. THEY went crazy over at XS and cruicified the poor guy/gal . So all those who Flamed the poor guy. Are aware they were completely pawned and they know it. XS has some of the best O/C in the world. And ego's to match. None of them like being owned.

Here's a thread from XS. About stable O/C's . If you read Dinos22 statement above.
you can see that buy his own words he puts this in the realm of being possiable.

I found this hard to believe myself at this early stage. But latter on befor Nehalem people will be reporting a lot of 4.8-5ghZ O/C's . This chip if real just shows were and what direction Intel is heading with this process.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...howthread.php?t=175241

I believe 8 people reported stable O/Cs at 4.6 ghz. What cooling? As long as its either water /air I could careless. Point is Those 8 people all fall within the range dino. set for achieving this kind of O/C.

I love tech. Wheather its AMD Intel IBM . I love the tech. I may not buy it . But I still love it. ON penryn its way to early for naysayers . I will keep this thread and latter on when more and more of these types of O/Cs are achieved I will Bump this thread back to the front page .

Bach to this Stability thing. Now I am tring hard not to bring AMD into this but in this case I can't help it.

Why aren't the people who question Penryn stability @ 4.5 ghz. and calling foe 24 hour prime testing. I haven't seen 1 post from these naysayers . Asking to see a K10 o/c @ 3 GHz . Insist on seeing 24 hours of prime . Not 1 post. Why is that??


I understand why XS gets into this type of a pissing match because of Hugh egos. I am not a extreme O/C . I find the highest performance at a given speed. Ware I scale the best is were the processor is most efficient and thats were I leave it. I don't believe in open table bench testing. Thats not a pc. Its a bunch of hardware laying out in open air.

If it don't fit inside the case its no good.

Point is I don't know if this guy actually was running AIR . I don't know if he hit 4.9ghz @ 1.42V. But I want to believe its so . From what I have seen from the 4core versions I do believe it true. Only reason I want to believe it . Is because I am hoping for same good chip. Look at all the reports now of guys hitting 4ghz. on low volts now. More and more every day.

My wife got her 6800 6 months before I got mine. I struggle to get stable 3.6ghz with mine . She has been sitting at 3.85 since she bought and built her PC. NOW thanks to INTEL . I will have an Apple in the house something I would have said would never happen. But I not the Boss. But I am still married. after 36 years. Eating crow isn't so bad once you get by the feathers.

Point is guys. Penryns are great O/C ers. Being on a Brand new bouncing baby type process I exspect this child to grow. As I would with any child in its infancy. 4.5 ghz isn't that uncommon now. So its only natural to exspect 300-500mgz increase. Like I said when the Penryn type GO stepping shows up. Exspect to see a lot this thread . For now tho . The guys that get golden chips deserve congradulations.

 

[JAG87]

are you that stupid that you cant realize the thread is full of FUD and BS? has the fanboy'ism made you completely senile?

lets see, the only picture that shows any minimal sign of stability (3d mark 2001, you cant even call that stability really), is running 4Ghz at 1.424v, and what's his excuse? that its running on 780i. LMAO give me a break noob.

so running the chip in bonetrail magically yields 4.9 Ghz at 1.412v? if you knew anything at all, you would know that its the same POS board as 780i, cheap 6 phase power and electrolytic capacitors.

so a whole GHZ more just because of the northbridge! wow! look how badly photo shopped that CPU-z screen is...

why am I wasting my time again sigh :roll:

 

[Tempered81]

I managed to get prime running at 4.5ghz it takes about 1.46vcore

it crashes too....

http://picasaweb.google.com/jaredpace/45ghzPrimingOnAir

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: JAG87
are you that stupid that you cant realize the thread is full of FUD and BS? has the fanboy'ism made you completely senile?

lets see, the only picture that shows any minimal sign of stability (3d mark 2001, you cant even call that stability really), is running 4Ghz at 1.424v, and what's his excuse? that its running on 780i. LMAO give me a break noob.

so running the chip in bonetrail magically yields 4.9 Ghz at 1.412v? if you knew anything at all, you would know that its the same POS board as 780i, cheap 6 phase power and electrolytic capacitors.

so a whole GHZ more just because of the northbridge! wow! look how badly photo shopped that CPU-z screen is...

why am I wasting my time again sigh :roll:

Dude WTF do you know!? You post as if you have personal experience overclocking 45nm tech or something...



(a joke, I read your sig)

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: jaredpace
I managed to get prime running at 4.5ghz it takes about 1.46vcore

it crashes too....

http://picasaweb.google.com/jaredpace/45ghzPrimingOnAir

jared, first of all, you need 2 instances of SP2004 to stress both cores, I only see one.

second of all, I only see 10 minute runs. try more like 6-8 hours.

and third, keep an eye on your temperatures there buddy.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Dude WTF do you know!? You post as if you have personal experience overclocking 45nm tech or something...



(a joke, I read your sig)

I'm doing the hiss hiss hiss laugh right now.

 

[The-Noid]

All you did was SETFSB from a lower speed.

You need to set the speed originally to be actually stable at that speed.

Good try though.

Why would you say it is stable at 1 hour 20 minutes when your longest screenshot is 8 minutes.

 

[Tempered81]

yeah i don't think mine is capable of dual orthos for 6 hours on air cooling at 4500mhz, so like everyone said when i was saying i could do this back around x-mas.

I was wrong. I never even completed any 8 hour orthos at any speed with this chip. but i did boot at 4.68ghz. And i've played crysis at 4.4ghz for hours..

It's really too frustrating overall. i think anything below 4.2 is the least headache you can achieve with this chip with being stable, unless your are an extreme overclocker or suicide bencher with other forms of cooling besides air. Maybe we will see an 8 hour dual prime screenshot with air cooling. I don't know and i don't feel like trying anymore.

Maybe my attempt at 4.5g prime will encourage others to try for a higher OC. like jag87 said, beware of volts & temps

I should just at least try to find my 6-8hour maximum before i sell this thing.... however, I have a feeling it's going to be less than 4.3ghz

Best of luck to everyone who is attempting 4ghz + prime runs on these chips. They will still clock a ton higher than 65nm or quads, but I don't think the average guy is going to see 4.5 for 24/7 unless your on some extreme cooling or have an e8500. And really whats the diff in 4.2 and 4.5? LOL it's not worth the troulbe except to have bragging rights.

A sensible OC of 4.05 or 4.1 is a lot more practical.

 

[NinjaJedi]

Seems to me there would be a better way to prove an over clock other than screen shots. Webcam/camcorder and youtube. Maybe that is going to the extreme but it is more believable to see video than screens that can be photoshopped.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: jaredpace








yeah i don't think mine is capable of dual orthos for 6 hours on air cooling at 4500mhz, so like everyone said when i was saying i could do this back around x-mas.

I was wrong. I never even completed any 8 hour orthos at any speed with this chip. but i did boot at 4.68ghz. And i've played crysis at 4.4ghz for hours..

It's really too frustrating overall. i think anything below 4.2 is the least headache you can achieve with this chip with being stable, unless your are an extreme overclocker or suicide bencher with other forms of cooling besides air. Maybe we will see an 8 hour dual prime screenshot with air cooling. I don't know and i don't feel like trying anymore.

Maybe my attempt at 4.5g prime will encourage others to try for a higher OC. like jag87 said, beware of volts & temps

I should just at least try to find my 6-8hour maximum before i sell this thing.... however, I have a feeling it's going to be less than 4.3ghz

Best of luck to everyone who is attempting 4ghz + prime runs on these chips. They will still clock a ton higher than 65nm or quads, but I don't think the average guy is going to see 4.5 for 24/7 unless your on some extreme cooling or have an e8500. And really whats the diff in 4.2 and 4.5? LOL it's not worth the troulbe except to have bragging rights.

A sensible OC of 4.05 or 4.1 is a lot more practical.

finally a somewhat reasonable post from you. the only fallacy i can find is that you think having an e8500 over an e8400 will provide more headroom, which is wrong, both chips have roughly the same ceiling, and its the type of cooling that you use that really makes the difference.

Anyone buying an E8400 should be more than happy with a 4.0 - 4.2 ghz overclock with safe voltage.

 

[aigomorla]

anyone miss my post where he said his chip is hand picked by intel north america!

LOL...

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: jaredpace








yeah i don't think mine is capable of dual orthos for 6 hours on air cooling at 4500mhz, so like everyone said when i was saying i could do this back around x-mas.

I was wrong. I never even completed any 8 hour orthos at any speed with this chip. but i did boot at 4.68ghz. And i've played crysis at 4.4ghz for hours..

It's really too frustrating overall. i think anything below 4.2 is the least headache you can achieve with this chip with being stable, unless your are an extreme overclocker or suicide bencher with other forms of cooling besides air. Maybe we will see an 8 hour dual prime screenshot with air cooling. I don't know and i don't feel like trying anymore.

Maybe my attempt at 4.5g prime will encourage others to try for a higher OC. like jag87 said, beware of volts & temps

I should just at least try to find my 6-8hour maximum before i sell this thing.... however, I have a feeling it's going to be less than 4.3ghz

Best of luck to everyone who is attempting 4ghz + prime runs on these chips. They will still clock a ton higher than 65nm or quads, but I don't think the average guy is going to see 4.5 for 24/7 unless your on some extreme cooling or have an e8500. And really whats the diff in 4.2 and 4.5? LOL it's not worth the troulbe except to have bragging rights.

A sensible OC of 4.05 or 4.1 is a lot more practical.

finally a somewhat reasonable post from you. the only fallacy i can find is that you think having an e8500 over an e8400 will provide more headroom, which is wrong, both chips have roughly the same ceiling, and its the type of cooling that you use that really makes the difference.

Anyone buying an E8400 should be more than happy with a 4.0 - 4.2 ghz overclock with safe voltage.

Jeg 87 ware do you come up with this stuff. 8500 are doing better O/C at less Volts. Unless everybody else is lieing except for Jeg87. If A 1600FSB Xtreme wolf comes out. I would bet the house it would be the highest O/Cer at less V. than the lower binned chips..

If you could please explain Intels new binning that they went with Merom family of processors. And what you believe for the new binning by intel . What did Intel have in mind with this new binning system.

Good example Intel is releasing 2 extreme chips. Both running same exact GHz. But one is 125 Thermo and the other is 95 thermo. The more expensive one is the higher thermos.
Whats up with that?

 

[JAG87]

my name is not Jeg 87, are you blind or something?

I don't see any 8500s doing better than 8400s. both top out at roughly 4.2-4.3 ghz MAX for complete stability. care to provide links with 8500s doing prime above that? and NO phase cooling please.

Also, your assumption that an XE Wolfdale would OC higher with less voltage is just pathetic. obviously you have no idea what binning is. Intel doesn't bin according to OC potential (which is always UNKNOWN, regardless of what the VID is), they bin according to which chip can do stock frequency with the lowest voltage.

A supposed silicon that runs 3.33 Ghz (hypothetical XE clock speed) with 1.1v lets say, would be destined to XE chips. Silicon destined for E8500s might take 1.2v, and silicon destined for E8400s might take 1.25v to be stable at 3.33 ghz, and they are not preferred.

This that doesn't mean the XE will OC higher or with less voltage! Get it through your head, overclocking is random.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
anyone miss my post where he said his chip is hand picked by intel north america!

LOL...

Nope I seen it along with the part he will show all the results at his home page . If he post that home page and pics are their along with whatever else required . I guess this debate is useless. If he doesn't post proof / This debate is still useless.

I do believe however as intel improves the process so will performance (Clocks) and efficiency should go up as well.

To many people claiming stable high O/C s to all be lieing. As for his choice of M/Bs I agree NV chipsets suck . Compared to Intels. I won't even touch the FSB thing. As I have seen some pretty good FSB O/Cs on x38 depending on the cpu. I can see how a 2core could easily get higher Fsb THAN A 4 CORE. When AT did the first X38 they weren't impressed at all . Blaming the new bios for most problems which was in part true. But if you followed all the AT reviews you will notice also they learned how to use the bios features.

Also if you read there last review of X48 . Than compare it to the one befor that. The one befor the last was good . The last one was differant M/B maker . So it wasn't so good MSI I believe. Also note how many times it is stated That X38 x48 Run better with DDR3 than DDR2. It was made to use DDR3 its that simple. I don't care to here but DDR3 is so expensive. We all know that but that doesn't change the facts.

 

[JAG87]

well well, looks like I wasn't too far fetched...

not XE, but pretty close to my hypothesis

http://www.fudzilla.com/index....=view&id=5504&Itemid=1

 

[rchiu]

holy batman. I have a x38 bonetrail sitting around waiting for penryn quad to show up and ddr3 to drop a little. This make me wanna go ahead and get a e8400 and bite the bullet to spend a few hundred bucks on ddr3.

edit: nevermind, the more I read, the more I think that post is bs.

 

[Dadofamunky]

Originally posted by: Nemesis 1
I been reading quit abit about how the Wolfdales won't be stable much past 4 GHz. You guys saying this stuff. Where you getting your info from .

I have Also seen people claiming degrading of CPU if 1.45 V are used. Again were is that coming from .

1) Are you actually RUNNING this setup yourself? Show us your rig. With screenies, please. If not, then what the heck DO you actually know? I don't claim knowledge based on a possibly faked preview from almost a year ago. There are plenty of threads here and elsewhere noting the potential thermal issues when you jack up the clock speed on these chips. Ever bother to READ any of them? Most of them are posted by people who actually USE the chips. Here's a hint: like me, don't post a thread on OCing a device that you don't actually OWN.

2) Are you a low-level marketroid from an Intel office in Taiwan? That would explain your crappy language. Aigomorla just sliced you up like a Thanksgiving turkey. Don't you think you should just give up at this point?

3) This thread never should have been posted. It's spam. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

 

[Ika]

The fanboyism is strong with this OP.

 

[Nemesis 1]

No I don't have a Penryn . But I have seen the 4cores with my own eyes and That 1 performed great. All I have is a lowly 6800. Also P4c which I am going to give to somebody.

I also have a Dothan on chilled water I never use anymore but I will keep this one . As I hope it becomes a collectors Item.

As for the High volts your referring to to get O/C you should read more as more and more people are getting those O/C at low volts.

Are they all lieing? Or are you a fan of one company or another. Or did you buy a 4core and are unhappy with just 4ghz O/C. Intel says Penryn is safe at 1.45v. Yet I see guys saying . Oh my god you ruin that chip @ those Volts. LOL! It interesting I must say. Now we got 2core Vs. 4core backers debating. I not smart enough so I ask the this.

In The world of physics. If you have 2 processors 1 2 core 1 4 core both using same core. Which package will % wise O/C the highest. Its a no brainer. But I happly wait for reply.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: Aflac
The fanboyism is strong with this OP.

Yes Darth the Intel force is strong in him. I sense it . LOL! Come to the light.