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Dumac

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Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Genx87
Hahaha great episode. I love how self proclaimed organic consumers failed miserably to predict which is organic based on taste.

Their analogy to religion is spot on as well. It is an extension of the global warming religion that has shown up over the past 3 decades.

but climate change due to global warming is real :confused:

Not according to pen and teller! Those mother fuckers can make a quarter disappear, so they must be right!

Will you give up on the magician metaphor? It is really old and uninspired. We got your point from your other 1249120 posts about "magician" this or "magic hat" that.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: Phokus
Acknowledged bias

Many critics accuse Penn and Teller of being biased in their approach to debunking their opponents' arguments. For example, Chaz Miller, who was interviewed for the "Recycling" episode, said that Bullshit! attempts to exclude certain information if it does not favor the show's position.[11]

In the episode "Family Values", Penn said, "... we're fair and we never take people out of context. We're biased as all fuck. But, we try to be honest."[12] Still, some critics who sympathize with the duo's over-arching message have expressed regret that they can occasionally slip into the same sensationalism as their targets. This was summed up in a review by Slate which stated: "One of the unwritten rules for winning an argument against an inflammatory, irrational opponent is to calmly adhere to a loftier set of rhetorical standards. Penn and Teller showily throw this notion out the window."[13]

While Penn and Teller are self-professed skeptics, critics have been quick to note that Bullshit! is not dedicated to fact-based debunking or inquiry. An otherwise favorable review by The Onion A.V. Club noted:

Bullshit! isn't journalism, exactly. The show is one-sided by design: P&T's field interviewers rarely confront their subjects with the evidence against them, preferring to let the crackpots ramble on so that Jillette's voiceover rejoinders can score points without inciting a real argument.[14]

During an interview on the January 31, 2007 episode of The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe, Teller claimed that the final episode of the show would be about "the bullshit of Bullshit!" and would detail all the criticisms that they themselves had of the show.[15]

Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

You guys have to see some truth behind this.

Bullshit is a television show. It is meant to entertain. This isn't serious journalism or a scientific essay. Each episode they set out to prove a point and convince their audience that their opinion is right, and they do it pretty well. However, anyone who things that Bullshit is the only place you have to go to get information about a controversial topic is deeply mistaken.

It is simply another tool in the toolbox, and you have to take it with a grain of salt.

Funny thing is, Penn & Teller advocates 'doing your own research', and most of the viewers i know who watch the show take their show as gospel and NEVER do their own research.

 

MrPickins

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...
 

swbsam

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Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Genx87
Hahaha great episode. I love how self proclaimed organic consumers failed miserably to predict which is organic based on taste.

Their analogy to religion is spot on as well. It is an extension of the global warming religion that has shown up over the past 3 decades.

but climate change due to global warming is real :confused:

Not according to pen and teller! Those mother fuckers can make a quarter disappear, so they must be right!

Will you give up on the magician metaphor? It is really old and uninspired. We got your point from your other 1249120 posts about "magician" this or "magic hat" that.

I just find it absolutely absurd that people do not question the "research" of magicians, people who got their fame skillfully deceiving people.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Phokus


Funny thing is, Penn & Teller advocates 'doing your own research', and most of the viewers i know who watch the show take their show as gospel and NEVER do their own research.

I'm heartily surprised that you actually know people.
 

ric1287

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Nov 29, 2005
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Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: Dumac
Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Genx87
Hahaha great episode. I love how self proclaimed organic consumers failed miserably to predict which is organic based on taste.

Their analogy to religion is spot on as well. It is an extension of the global warming religion that has shown up over the past 3 decades.

but climate change due to global warming is real :confused:

Not according to pen and teller! Those mother fuckers can make a quarter disappear, so they must be right!

Will you give up on the magician metaphor? It is really old and uninspired. We got your point from your other 1249120 posts about "magician" this or "magic hat" that.

I just find it absolutely absurd that people do not question the "research" of magicians, people who got their fame skillfully deceiving people.

you realize they don't do the research right? That they have an entire staff of people doing that?
 

Phokus

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Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of reasons why one would take the opposite side of their argument (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: swbsam

I just find it absolutely absurd that people do not question the "research" of magicians, people who got their fame skillfully deceiving people.

Because most intelligent people who know anything about food or growing it know that organic food is a scam. A completely fabricated scam. Penn & Teller's bit is funny because it shows what everybody already knows - people that fall for this scam are stupid.

Even better are reading the diversions of people who just can't wrap their heads around the fact that it is a scam.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: swbsam
I just find it absolutely absurd that people do not question the "research" of magicians, people who got their fame skillfully deceiving people.

Actually, they've gotten a bit of fame by showing exactly how they do some tricks as well. The episode of Time Warp they were on was pretty cool.
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of arguments (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)

So that's it...your entire argument is that the hormones hurt the cows? Anything else? I've never heard a single organic-nut mention cows. I tend to hear "its healthier", "the chemicals in the pesticides will kill everyone" etc.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: swbsam
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
Originally posted by: Genx87
Hahaha great episode. I love how self proclaimed organic consumers failed miserably to predict which is organic based on taste.

Their analogy to religion is spot on as well. It is an extension of the global warming religion that has shown up over the past 3 decades.

but climate change due to global warming is real :confused:

Not according to pen and teller! Those mother fuckers can make a quarter disappear, so they must be right!
anthropomorphic global warming is bullshit.
 

Phokus

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Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of arguments (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)

So that's it...your entire argument is that the hormones hurt the cows? Anything else? I've never heard a single organic-nut mention cows. I tend to hear "its healthier", "the chemicals in the pesticides will kill everyone" etc.

no, it was an example of deceptive tactics they use, fyi i'm not into the organic debate EXCEPT the cows thing (i drink organic milk for that reason and eat regular pesticide fed food).
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of arguments (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)

So that's it...your entire argument is that the hormones hurt the cows? Anything else? I've never heard a single organic-nut mention cows. I tend to hear "its healthier", "the chemicals in the pesticides will kill everyone" etc.

no, it was an example of deceptive tactics they use, fyi i'm not into the organic debate EXCEPT the cows thing (i drink organic milk for that reason and eat regular pesticide fed food).

But I think that's what people are arguing here....yes some tactics are deceptive/one-sided, but was anything false? Did they lie about anything?
 

Phokus

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Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of arguments (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)

So that's it...your entire argument is that the hormones hurt the cows? Anything else? I've never heard a single organic-nut mention cows. I tend to hear "its healthier", "the chemicals in the pesticides will kill everyone" etc.

no, it was an example of deceptive tactics they use, fyi i'm not into the organic debate EXCEPT the cows thing (i drink organic milk for that reason and eat regular pesticide fed food).

But I think that's what people are arguing here....yes some tactics are deceptive/one-sided, but was anything false? Did they lie about anything?

"Lie" is too strong a word, i would say, deception by omission would be a better description.
 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of arguments (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)

So that's it...your entire argument is that the hormones hurt the cows? Anything else? I've never heard a single organic-nut mention cows. I tend to hear "its healthier", "the chemicals in the pesticides will kill everyone" etc.

no, it was an example of deceptive tactics they use, fyi i'm not into the organic debate EXCEPT the cows thing (i drink organic milk for that reason and eat regular pesticide fed food).

But I think that's what people are arguing here....yes some tactics are deceptive/one-sided, but was anything false? Did they lie about anything?

"Lie" is too strong a word, i would say, deception by omission would be a better description.

Fine...were any of the FACTS they stated false or made up? (Pesticides on organic, taste test, nutrition, etc)
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: ric1287
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: Phokus
Pretty much sums it up. The fact that people in this thread are taking this show as gospel and using it to re-affirm their faith, shows how intellectually lazy some of you idiots can be.

I don't think anyone here is saying that P&T are the end-all be-all reference on the matter, only that they make some very interesting arguments on this topic.

How about refuting some of their points if they are so wrong...

I didn't say they were wrong, in fact, i said they were likely right about some of the points of the organic debate. However, they use some deceptive tactics that i pointed out, either they leave out evidence that goes against their argument (i.e. 2nd hand smoke), or they won't include the totality of arguments (i.e. growth hormones used in cows that lead to painful diseases/health for cows to produce milk)

So that's it...your entire argument is that the hormones hurt the cows? Anything else? I've never heard a single organic-nut mention cows. I tend to hear "its healthier", "the chemicals in the pesticides will kill everyone" etc.

no, it was an example of deceptive tactics they use, fyi i'm not into the organic debate EXCEPT the cows thing (i drink organic milk for that reason and eat regular pesticide fed food).

But I think that's what people are arguing here....yes some tactics are deceptive/one-sided, but was anything false? Did they lie about anything?

"Lie" is too strong a word, i would say, deception by omission would be a better description.

Fine...were any of the FACTS they stated false or made up? (Pesticides on organic, taste test, nutrition, etc)

That's the same thing as lie :confused: And I never said they did, and i said, in fact, that most of their arguments about organic foods are probably true (if they lied and i knew about it, i wouldn't be eating regular non-organic food). I'm saying they left out arguments (backed by scientific research) that was pro-organic.

 

zerocool84

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There is no pesticide free food. If you buy it in a store or from a farmer's market, it will have pesticides in it. They will just be certified organic but they can be more harmful than the synthetic pesticides that regular foods use since they have to use the old school pesticides. Only way to be 100% pesticide free is to grow it yourself.
 

Iron Woode

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
Well Phokus is here so it's going to get locked.
he even signed a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

:(
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: fleabag
Anyways you can hardly fault these people as they're trying to do the right thing ignorant or not... Hippies at the very least have a positive intent which shouldn't be looked down upon

If you try to do the right thing and still fail, guess what, it doesn't matter that you tried. Failing is failing whether or not your intentions are good.

ZV
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: Phokus

They talk about organic milk but never introduce the argument that hormone injections in cows cause debilitating health defects to cows that cause great pain to them. Cruelty to cows via hormone injection IS a reason used by people who drink organic milk as to why they won't drink regular milk, you dumbasses.

Fucking owned yourself.

Fucking ownage NOT found!

yeah, if you're a typical dumb as shit conservative who lives in a black and white world and experiences cognitive dissonance every time someone introduces evidence that maybe their dearly held beliefs aren't as unshakable as they thought, yeah that would be true.

Ignorance is bliss.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES CONSERVATIVES HAVE TO DO WITH ORGANICS??????

FYI i am not a part of the republican party so fuck you too.

 

ric1287

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: fleabag
Anyways you can hardly fault these people as they're trying to do the right thing ignorant or not... Hippies at the very least have a positive intent which shouldn't be looked down upon

If you try to do the right thing and still fail, guess what, it doesn't matter that you tried. Failing is failing whether or not your intentions are good.

ZV

I'd put money on most "hippies" wanting to do the good thing really just want to make themselves feel better than "normal" people. Every dumb organic person I've ever met loves to preach about why they are better than everyone else.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: swbsam
sigh, why must neo-cons keep this shit up? don't like organic? DON'T BUY IT.. If you can afford to spend extra on higher quality then, well, why shouldn't you be allowed to? Penn and teller are obnoxious tools who selectively chose their "experts" - the experts on their sides are people who have their shit together, while the 'liberals' are always raging idiots..

Terrible, terrible show...

And bottled water is awesome - I'm so glad that it's caught on, vs. drinking from spit covered, warm, rust tasting public drinking fountains when out and about.

I'm not a "neo-con." I'm not even a con. I'm libertarian. So are Penn and Teller.

We're followers of objectivity.

Way to make yourself one of those "raging idiot" liberals. You can't even tell the HUGE difference between conservatism and libertarianism.

BTW, a lot of right wing nutjobs follow the "organic" movement too, right along with the anti-vaccination movement. The further a person goes out on either "wing" the more likely they are to buy into fringe crap like "Organic" and be religious about it.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

You discount science in favor of anecdotal 'evidence', you're the LAST person who should claim 'objectivity' :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Trolling again I see and chasing me to yet another thread.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Iron Woode
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Well Phokus is here so it's going to get locked.
he even signed a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide.

:(

Can you blame him? It's a well-known fact that terrorist organizations always keep a supply of DHMO.