Penn & Teller Bull Organic Food

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: torpid
The episode touched on some good topics but did not dig deep enough. While organic farms could still use antiquated pesticides, many will not. There is a large spectrum involved. Some farms refuse to use any pesticide at all, and some use them only in dire circumstances. Some use them all of the time. It would have been cooler if they followed the tomato back to its source and saw the actual pesticide being sprayed, thereby leading to the reasonable conclusion that organic means nothing if you don't know the source of your food and can't verify their practices.

:thumbsup:

I think the episode raised some good points and was of course entertaining, but the very limited scale of research and analysis did a great disservice to individuals looking for some substantive debate.

Education/Research >>>>>>>>>> TV Show in search of support for a predetermined and oversimplistic 'conclusion'.

It's a 30 minute show meant to entertain.

Indeed! And it succeeded very well in that regard IMHO. I just wanted to make my statement that drawing a personal conclusion based upon that TV episode that the entirety of the Organic food industry and the potential and/or measured benefits are 'Bullshit' is intellectually weak. It's like watching a Michael Moore film and concluding that Socialized medicine is the way to go, or listening to Rush Limbaugh and concluding that Democrats are Communists, and so on. Bias is a huge negative and while some element of bias is unavoidable (we're all merely human), to accept biased conclusions blindly is a sad thing.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Could you fucking cunts trying to make this a partisan issue kindly slit your wrists vertically and die namelessly in an alley while feral hobos feast on your tender, juicy remains.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: torpid
The episode touched on some good topics but did not dig deep enough. While organic farms could still use antiquated pesticides, many will not. There is a large spectrum involved. Some farms refuse to use any pesticide at all, and some use them only in dire circumstances. Some use them all of the time. It would have been cooler if they followed the tomato back to its source and saw the actual pesticide being sprayed, thereby leading to the reasonable conclusion that organic means nothing if you don't know the source of your food and can't verify their practices.

:thumbsup:

I think the episode raised some good points and was of course entertaining, but the very limited scale of research and analysis did a great disservice to individuals looking for some substantive debate.

Education/Research >>>>>>>>>> TV Show in search of support for a predetermined and oversimplistic 'conclusion'.

It's a 30 minute show meant to entertain.

Indeed! And it succeeded very well in that regard IMHO. I just wanted to make my statement that drawing a personal conclusion based upon that TV episode that the entirety of the Organic food industry and the potential and/or measured benefits are 'Bullshit' is intellectually weak. It's like watching a Michael Moore film and concluding that Socialized medicine is the way to go, or listening to Rush Limbaugh and concluding that Democrats are Communists, and so on. Bias is a huge negative and while some element of bias is unavoidable (we're all merely human), to accept biased conclusions blindly is a sad thing.

I was fully entertained by the way P&T presented the facts on organic bullshit.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Could you fucking cunts trying to make this a partisan issue kindly slit your wrists vertically and die namelessly in an alley while feral hobos feast on your tender, juicy remains.

Tell us how you really feel.

 

[Iron Woode]

Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
Could you fucking cunts trying to make this a partisan issue kindly slit your wrists vertically and die namelessly in an alley while feral hobos feast on your tender, juicy remains.

I am waiting for Phockus or some other shlub to start blaming Bush for this issue.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: swbsam
sigh, why must neo-cons keep this shit up? don't like organic? DON'T BUY IT.. If you can afford to spend extra on higher quality then, well, why shouldn't you be allowed to? Penn and teller are obnoxious tools who selectively chose their "experts" - the experts on their sides are people who have their shit together, while the 'liberals' are always raging idiots..

Terrible, terrible show...

And bottled water is awesome - I'm so glad that it's caught on, vs. drinking from spit covered, warm, rust tasting public drinking fountains when out and about.

I'm not a "neo-con." I'm not even a con. I'm libertarian. So are Penn and Teller.

We're followers of objectivity.

Way to make yourself one of those "raging idiot" liberals. You can't even tell the HUGE difference between conservatism and libertarianism.

BTW, a lot of right wing nutjobs follow the "organic" movement too, right along with the anti-vaccination movement. The further a person goes out on either "wing" the more likely they are to buy into fringe crap like "Organic" and be religious about it.

ROFL ROFL ROFL

You discount science in favor of anecdotal 'evidence', you're the LAST person who should claim 'objectivity' :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Trolling again I see and chasing me to yet another thread.

Nope, just calling out your ignorance yet again. The fact that you think 'libertarians = objectivity' is hilarious. If you were objective, you would acknowledge scientific facts when it DOESN'T suit your agenda. Instead, you throw out science in favor of anecdotal evidence when you hit the cognitive dissonance wall.

What you posted was NOT objective science but a propaganda piece using biased stats and subjective surveys. Now just stop. Your hardon for me is embarrassing you more than you'll ever know.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: swbsam
What makes them credible debunkers at all? They obviously have an agenda, and they're fucking magicians.

What makes you and the other hippies slobber on Al Gore's knob? How are him and his crappy move credible? He has an agenda and he's not even a magician. He's worse. He's a politician. The only trick he knows is how to make money disappear.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Amused
What you posted was NOT objective science but a propaganda piece using biased stats and subjective surveys. Now just stop. Your hardon for me is embarrassing you more than you'll ever know.

For the record: Amused believes the New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of internal medicine, and Rand corporation are leftwing propagandists.

 

[JujuFish]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Amused
What you posted was NOT objective science but a propaganda piece using biased stats and subjective surveys. Now just stop. Your hardon for me is embarrassing you more than you'll ever know.

For the record: Amused believes the New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of internal medicine, and Rand corporation are leftwing propagandists.

You do realize that no one takes you seriously, don't you?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Amused
What you posted was NOT objective science but a propaganda piece using biased stats and subjective surveys. Now just stop. Your hardon for me is embarrassing you more than you'll ever know.

For the record: Amused believes the New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of internal medicine, and Rand corporation are leftwing propagandists.

You do realize that no one takes you seriously, don't you?

Oh no, imbeciles don't take me seriously because they can't understand why hard science trumps anecdotal evidence in winning an argument. Boy, my heart is broken.

 

[mesthead21]

I like non-organic waffles

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Amused
What you posted was NOT objective science but a propaganda piece using biased stats and subjective surveys. Now just stop. Your hardon for me is embarrassing you more than you'll ever know.

For the record: Amused believes the New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of internal medicine, and Rand corporation are leftwing propagandists.

You do realize that no one takes you seriously, don't you?

Oh no, imbeciles don't take me seriously because they can't understand why hard science trumps anecdotal evidence in winning an argument. Boy, my heart is broken.

Hahaha, I was actually going to respond to JujuFish with....

He actually reads that as "You do realize that your intellect is far too superior for these peons to understand, don't you?"

I've only spotted two imbeciles in this thread so far, and you're definitely one of them I'm not sure who you're referring to in your mild insult.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: JujuFish

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Amused
What you posted was NOT objective science but a propaganda piece using biased stats and subjective surveys. Now just stop. Your hardon for me is embarrassing you more than you'll ever know.

For the record: Amused believes the New England Journal of Medicine, Annals of internal medicine, and Rand corporation are leftwing propagandists.

You do realize that no one takes you seriously, don't you?

Oh no, imbeciles don't take me seriously because they can't understand why hard science trumps anecdotal evidence in winning an argument. Boy, my heart is broken.

Hahaha, I was actually going to respond to JujuFish with....

He actually reads that as "You do realize that your intellect is far too superior for these peons to understand, don't you?"

I've only spotted two imbeciles in this thread so far, and you're definitely one of them I'm not sure who you're referring to in your mild insult.

See, you can throw insults around the internet like it means something, but when it comes to actually being able to hold down an argument and knowing wtf you're talking about, you idiots come up short.

Ask Amused, he knows about getting his ass handed to him (and subsequently running away)

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

BTW, i'll be more careful to not use 'big words' around you, apparently you get flustered easily

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Phokus


See, you can throw insults around the internet like it means something, but when it comes to actually being able to hold down an argument and knowing wtf you're talking about, you idiots come up short.

Ask Amused, he knows about getting his ass handed to him (and subsequently running away)

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

BTW, i'll be more careful to not use 'big words' around you, apparently you get flustered easily

I'm fighting the effects of a self-given concussion today and your douchebaggery has proven to great to ignore.

I don't how i'm flustered though, but then again none of your crap makes much sense. You make stuff up, act high and mighty, then smile and call the other party immature.

Haha, in fact, you remind me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzlRwy5h8w


Anyways, feel free to quote any argument that I've given in this thread that is false.

 

[TallBill]

Also, it is possible that Amused:

1) Has a life and can't wait around for internet arguments to develop
2) Is ignoring this thread, because you can't win a debate against an idiot

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Phokus


See, you can throw insults around the internet like it means something, but when it comes to actually being able to hold down an argument and knowing wtf you're talking about, you idiots come up short.

Ask Amused, he knows about getting his ass handed to him (and subsequently running away)

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

BTW, i'll be more careful to not use 'big words' around you, apparently you get flustered easily

I'm fighting the effects of a self-given concussion today and your douchebaggery has proven to great to ignore.

I don't how i'm flustered though, but then again none of your crap makes much sense. You make stuff up, act high and mighty, then smile and call the other party immature.

Haha, in fact, you remind me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzlRwy5h8w


Anyways, feel free to quote any argument that I've given in this thread that is false.

Well for one, i didn't say other people were immature, i said you were 'imbeciles'. I think you got concussed harder than you realize.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill
Also, it is possible that Amused:

1) Has a life and can't wait around for internet arguments to develop
2) Is ignoring this thread, because you can't win a debate against an idiot

1)

Amused:

Posts: 46217
Joined: 04/14/2001

Me:

Posts: 12677
Joined: 11/20/1999

2) Amused: Anecdotes Me: Scientific Reports

There are those pesky facts again

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Well for one, i didn't say other people were immature, i said you were 'imbeciles'. I think you got concussed harder than you realize.

Yawn, I didn't think that you'd find anything that actually pertained to the topic at hand.

Originally posted by: Phokus

Amused:

Posts: 46217
Joined: 04/14/2001

Me:

Posts: 12677
Joined: 11/20/1999

2) Amused: Anecdotes Me: Scientific Reports

There are those pesky facts again

What "fact" are you presenting? I have a count much closer to Amused and can't monitor ATOT all the time.

 

[spidey07]

So those facts that organic food offers no value above other food except to make the consumer feel smug are having a hard time breaking through your cognitive dissonance?

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Phokus

Well for one, i didn't say other people were immature, i said you were 'imbeciles'. I think you got concussed harder than you realize.

Yawn, I didn't think that you'd find anything that actually pertained to the topic at hand.

Originally posted by: Phokus

Amused:

Posts: 46217
Joined: 04/14/2001

Me:

Posts: 12677
Joined: 11/20/1999

2) Amused: Anecdotes Me: Scientific Reports

There are those pesky facts again

What "fact" are you presenting? I have a count much closer to Amused and can't monitor ATOT all the time.

Yawn what? I never argued against you, I was introducing nuance and more pesky science into the thread to temper the childlike enthusiasm some of you idiots have for P&T.

Also, if you can't formulate the idea that Amused has almost 4 times as many posts (yet he's been in the AT forums for almost a couple years less than i have) and that just might destroy you argument that Amused 'has a life' and can't 'wait around' for internet arguments to develop, well i can't help you. Hopefully, for your sake, it's the concussion talking.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Yawn what? I never argued against you, I was introducing nuance and more pesky science into the thread to temper the childlike enthusiasm some of you idiots have for P&T.

Also, if you can't formulate the idea that Amused has almost 4 times as many posts (yet he's been in the AT forums for almost a couple years less than i have) and that just might destroy you argument that Amused 'has a life' and can't 'wait around' for internet arguments to develop, well i can't help you. Hopefully, for your sake, it's the concussion talking.

Then how come you responded to a post of mine with this?

Originally posted by: Phokus

See, you can throw insults around the internet like it means something, but when it comes to actually being able to hold down an argument and knowing wtf you're talking about, you idiots come up short.

Oh, you weren't arguing with me? Who is this "you" that you are going after then?

Oh wait, there was this one too:

Originally posted by: Phokus

yeah, if you're a typical dumb as shit conservative who lives in a black and white world and experiences cognitive dissonance every time someone introduces evidence that maybe their dearly held beliefs aren't as unshakable as they thought, yeah that would be true.

Ignorance is bliss.

I know, you were just throwing around generalized comments, that may or may not have applied to me.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Phokus

Yawn what? I never argued against you, I was introducing nuance and more pesky science into the thread to temper the childlike enthusiasm some of you idiots have for P&T.

Also, if you can't formulate the idea that Amused has almost 4 times as many posts (yet he's been in the AT forums for almost a couple years less than i have) and that just might destroy you argument that Amused 'has a life' and can't 'wait around' for internet arguments to develop, well i can't help you. Hopefully, for your sake, it's the concussion talking.

Then how come you responded to a post of mine with this?

Originally posted by: Phokus

See, you can throw insults around the internet like it means something, but when it comes to actually being able to hold down an argument and knowing wtf you're talking about, you idiots come up short.

Oh, you weren't arguing with me? Who is this "you" that you are going after then?

Let me teach you about plurals

you idiots

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Let me teach you about plurals

you idiots

Good job? fail quote is fail

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Phokus

Let me teach you about plurals

you idiots

Good job? fail quote is fail

Concussed? Quote is 100% accurate.

P.S. 2nd quote you edited in was because you failed at seeing how JS80 couldn't read

Also, facts are still a problem for you:

Amused:

Posts: 46217
Joined: 04/14/2001

Me:

Posts: 12677
Joined: 11/20/1999

 

[Phokus]

BTW i can deadlift more than you, suck on it