Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[bignateyk]

It's because football sports football sports, football sports sports and sometimes education.

You left out drinking. That usually ranks higher than sports.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

How is it that I've made a fool of myself?

You started here:

I'm just pointing out the hyprocrocy of all those who claim that this is a PSU problem and a problem that resulted from PSU culture.

In reality this is a problem with human nature and the culture of our entire society. To think, like many of the people in this thread, that by eliminating Penn State football that this problem will somehow dissapear is ridiculous.

Then kept going... The only thing ridiculous here is that you could possibly think anyone here said "eliminating PSU football will make child abuse disappear in society at large." Where the fuck did that silly-assed notion even come from?

Sorry if you don't agree with my stance that it's dangerous to think that this could only have happened at Penn State.

That statement is as profound as observing that the sky is blue.

It's also not what you said, which was "I'm just pointing out the hyprocrocy of all those who claim that this is a PSU problem and a problem that resulted from PSU culture." No wonder that Lubrano nitwit got elected to your almas BoT - you probably voted for him!

 

[pelov]

In the spirit of ATOT and my favorite e-cartoon,

 

[zinfamous]

Sorry if you don't agree with my stance that it's dangerous to think that this could only have happened at Penn State.

so, in that light, do you think the NCAA sanctions were appropriate?

 

[zinfamous]

You left out drinking. That usually ranks higher than sports.

and boobies.

back when I was in high school, I was thumbing through one of those giant, annual, newsprint review books that details all the universities and colleges with ranking and commentary and such. The type of manual that they sell at B&N.

This student comment, out of who-knows-how-many submissions, was actually included in the section for Clemson:

"Pretty much the only reasons to go to this school are: beer, boobies, and football."

 

[zinfamous]

In the spirit of ATOT and my favorite e-cartoon,

 

[cubby1223]

The alumni base just voted this guy onto their Board of Trustees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU

Yikes!

Unfortunately this type of thinking is all too common - to put it simply, if a person (or organization) is not 100% responsible, then that person is 0% responsible.

It is how we allow people like Sandusky to exist. It is always someone else's responsibility to deal with problems.


I think what is making this incident out to be the bigger media story, is the lack of anyone accepting responsibility to prevent this in the future. This guy in the video clip, at any point he could have said "I will stand by anyone who brings forth information concerning crimes being committed, and will pursue the legal options to bring justice to the situation." Or something like that. We need leaders who are willing to make the difficult but correct choices.

 

[Meghan54]

Was wonderful watching PTI today, Brent Musburger had a nice evisceration for the NCAA with some amazingly familiar sounding reasons; it was a criminal activity not a rule violation, pr stunt, no due process, horrendous decision, etc...etc...

I keep seeing this "no due process" notion being hoisted like a battle flag. So, I must ask....what due process did Penn State want?

I guess Penn State giving up all rights to "due process" by the NCAA in the consent decree doesn't carry any weight. (Hint: Penn State, by signing and accepting the consent decree from the NCAA specifically stated Penn State accepted all the findings of the Freeh Report and waived all rights to appeal, "due process" claims, etc.)

 

[Fern]

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You aren't going to solve child abuse by punishing students, players, and residents who had nothing to do with them problem. Even some of the victims have come out and said they think it's stupid.

The NCAA is imperfect, anyone who follows CF will admit that. When I say "imperfect" I'm not talking about the many questionable actions/decisions handed down by the infractions committee over the years, I mean structurally.

The NCAA is basically a club with rules agreed to, and overseen, by the member institutions. Accordingly, the whole thrust of compliance is punishment of a member institution for violation of rules. I.e., PSU itself was going to be punished and not just certain individuals.

And punishment always affects innocent parties. Heck, if I were to rob a bank should everyone protest any punishment of me because innocent people like my child or wife would suffer?

In every case that I can recall the NCAA levying penalties innocent people have been harmed. When Reggie Bush was busted for taking illegal payments wasn't the whole team stripped of wins and a title? What about all the other players etc that were innocent? The same can be said of FSU when it was stripped of wins because of a few players cheating on an open book test in a internet class.

Watch what happens to Miami pretty soon.

The very nature of the NCAA is punishing member institutions and that means innocents get it too. But who is really to blame here, the NCAA or those individuals who thoughtlessly and perhaps selfishly committed the offenses bringing this down upon themselves and their colleagues, teammates, and other innocents?

I think by foregoing the 4 yr death penalty the NCAA showed it was mindful of the 'innocents'. Think of the local business (hotels, restaurants, bars, car rental agencies etc.) that would suffered greatly if there no football for 4 yrs. They gave the student athletes unprecedented leeway in leaving for other universities in recognition that they are innocent parties in all this.

In this specific instance I think the NCAA has shown more judgement and thought than I can recall seeing in a long time. I think they did the best they could with the tools they have.

Fern

 

[lupi]

Who gives a crap what the media thinks? Journalists are some of the dumbest people on earth and are just trying to sensationalize everything to get page views.

whatever makes you feel better.

Really? The NCAA now runs the FBS championship? That's interesting -- when did that change?

you must have missed the news where the bcs went byebye.

We get it -- you must be a PSU grad. My neighbor is too and he is also a buffoon like you.

actually I'm more of a michigan/UF fan, so could really care how penn state does, yet another joke on yall crying ass losers.

 

[lupi]

LOL. You might want to step away from the keyboard and go for a walk, because now you're just inventing strawmen and red herrings in your febrile attempts to save face.

it's happened in every industry, every walk of life, you're the dilusional fool to think it's a psu only issue.

 

[Icepick]

and that makes you a lunatic.

most will understand that this was covered by a very very number of people. 99% of the college has NOTHING to do with it. To tell a student "oh you got a degree from pen state. you must be a child molester" is just flat out dumb.

Hahaha. Keep that denial machine turning bud. You might not think that way but, believe me. There are plenty of influential people at large corporations who feel otherwise. They don't want to be at cocktail parties and power lunch meetings where they have to introduce their rising star new jr executive who happens to be a recent alumni of Penn State. Yes, this happens. I have mingled with quite a few who flat out stated as such. This is how it works in the real world.

This is going to be a significant black eye on Penn State's good name for years to come. And to think that this whole situation exploded simply because some idiot tried to "sweep it under the rug" so as not to mar their precious football program. Oh the hilarity. Hahahahaha

 

[Capt Caveman]

actually I'm more of a michigan/UF fan, so could really care how penn state does, yet another joke on yall crying ass losers.

You must be retarded to not realize that you're the one that has been crying through this thread.

 

[lupi]

If Congress can choose to go after baseball for steroid abuse...imagine what would happen if the body governing all of college sports chose to further sweep these massive crimes under the rug.

same body that has seen 2 athletes murdered by fellow athletes in the relative paste and have taken, what action again?

 

[Capt Caveman]

it's happened in every industry, every walk of life, you're the dilusional fool to think it's a psu only issue.

Every industry? Please let us know about a bigger scandal that has included a college/university?

 

[lupi]

I keep seeing this "no due process" notion being hoisted like a battle flag. So, I must ask....what due process did Penn State want?

I guess Penn State giving up all rights to "due process" by the NCAA in the consent decree doesn't carry any weight. (Hint: Penn State, by signing and accepting the consent decree from the NCAA specifically stated Penn State accepted all the findings of the Freeh Report and waived all rights to appeal, "due process" claims, etc.)

because the ball less president accepted the blackmail given to him. ncaa performed no investigation on the matter, did not involve anyone from their office on infractions, etc...

 

[Icepick]

I think I am done with this topic. People have their opinions about my alma mater, and my current employer. I can tell you that as a staffer at PSU the mood has been somber since last year and it is more so since the report findings. But you don't want to hear that. I don't know what to tell you other than: visit UP. Ask random students, staff, alums, and faculty what they think. But do a bit of research and not just interview those chanting some nonsense.

I feel for you bro. It's a shame that it had to come to this with public opinion turning against you guys so harshly. Stay strong and do your best to weather the storm. You'll get through it!

 

[lupi]

You must be retarded to not realize that you're the one that has been crying through this thread.

lol, I'm laughing at you fools.


"This is a horrendous story involving Jerry Sandusky who has been found guilty and probably will die in prison, and that's certainly is as it should be. But this is a criminal investigation that has gone on. It has nothing to do with the NCAA and I believe that due process should have been followed by the NCAA and they should have looked into the matter of the coverup even further.

"When they (the NCAA) start investigating criminal activity, that is a very slippery slope for them."

"They talked about culture, there's only one way you're going to change the culture in big time college football - take down the scoreboards."

"I think it was basically a PR move… this is not a football story, this is a story about a pedophile who happened to be a football coach."

"To me it is about those victims being taken care of, it's about talking about child abuse. It's not about talking about a coach's victories, it's not about talking about off tackle plays. I think the NCAA did us a horrendous disservice by pushing football back to the front and the victims to the back. Go take a look at the sports pages today and see what the stories are all about."


"If I thought for a moment the NCAA penalties were going to stop child abuse across the country, I'd say go for it. I know better than that."

"I can only speak from my heart about how I feel for him. I liked him, I enjoyed his company very much. I think he did so many good things throughout his career, I loved being around his former athletes listening to the stories. He apparently made one horrendous, horrendous decision but I don't think that can eliminate all the good that I feel that Joe Paterno did throughout his entire career at Penn State. I can only speak for myself, not for anybody else."

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Capt Caveman]

lol, I'm laughing at you fools.

Why? B/c you can't think for yourself and need to parrot other idiots?

Guess what idiot, all of the crying by the people from these links and yourself have done nothing. PSU was punished. You lost. Now, go home to mommy and cry to her.

 

[Icepick]

The alumni base just voted this guy onto their Board of Trustees:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU

I'm sure Possessed Freak is right, that many people at PSU either don't really give a shit about football, or think what happened is reprehensible. But if you watch the #pennstate or #weare Twitter feeds, or listen to otherwise intelligent people like bignateyk make fools of themselves, one thing is clear: that culture alluded to by the Freeh report is very, very real.

Wow. This Anthony Lubrano is a complete lunatic. I can't believe they would elect a freak like that to the board of trustees. Apparently PSU's leadership still has not learned from their mistakes. If this guy thinks that Joe Paterno should not be held responsible for "sweeping this under the rug" then he's lost touch with reality.

 

[Capt Caveman]

because the ball less president accepted the blackmail given to him. ncaa performed no investigation on the matter, did not involve anyone from their office on infractions, etc...

Poor baby. Cry more b/c nothing is going to change. All of us are laughing at you and your posts. Too funny.

 

[lupi]

Every industry? Please let us know about a bigger scandal that has included a college/university?

NCAA HAS HAD ITS FILL OF SCANDALS


Here are some other college scandals that drew plenty of attention before Penn State:

Point shaving, 1947-'51: The City College of New York men's basketball team won both the National Invitation Tournament and the national championship in 1950. Then a point-shaving scandal that spanned 86 games was discovered. Thirty-two players from seven schools were arrested. CCNY's basketball program vanished. Players from Kentucky were involved, but the Wildcats' program survived.

SMU's death penalty, 1986: Southern Methodist boosters funneled thousands of dollars to football players through a slush fund administered by school officials. The NCAA administered the death penalty, shutting down football for the 1987 season.

The Fab Five, early 1990s: Several Michigan basketball players, including star forward Chris Webber, were paid by a booster. All records, including two Final Fours, were vacated, Michigan was put on two years of NCAA probation and head coach Steve Fisher lost his job.

Minnesota, academic fraud, 1990s: Basketball coach Clem Haskins' tenure with the Golden Gophers was brought down by widespread academic fraud. Minnesota's records were vacated and the program was docked five scholarships. Haskins and several other officials lost their jobs.

Murder in Texas, 2003: Patrick Dennehy was slain by Baylor basketball teammate Carlton Dotson. Coach Dave Bliss instructed his players to lie by telling investigators that Dennehy was dealing drugs. Dotson pleaded guilty to murder, Bliss was fired and Baylor imposed penalties of a one-year postseason ban and a loss of scholarships.

USC, 2005: Reggie Bush, winner of the 2005 Heisman, was stripped of the award after it was revealed his parents were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by an agent. Southern California coach Pete Carroll left for the NFL, but the Trojans were stripped of 30 scholarships and given a two-year postseason ban.

Tattoo U., 2010: Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel admitted he knew several of his star players were trading memorabilia for cash and tattoos but sat on the information for 10 months until the team completed a 12-1 season. Tressel was forced to resign, Ohio State vacated the 2010 season and was hit with NCAA probation and a loss of scholarships.

The booster, 2011: Seventy-three Miami football players have been implicated in the latest scandal to hit the Hurricanes. A booster allegedly dispensed money, prostitutes, cars and vacations to the players. The case is pending.



But why the false limitation to colleges;

Critics blame State Department for turning a blind eye on sex abuse

http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news...ent-for-turning-a-blind-eye-on-sex-abuse?lite

 

[Icepick]

lol, I'm laughing at you fools.


"This is a horrendous story involving Jerry Sandusky who has been found guilty and probably will die in prison, and that's certainly is as it should be. But this is a criminal investigation that has gone on. It has nothing to do with the NCAA and I believe that due process should have been followed by the NCAA and they should have looked into the matter of the coverup even further.

"When they (the NCAA) start investigating criminal activity, that is a very slippery slope for them."

"They talked about culture, there's only one way you're going to change the culture in big time college football - take down the scoreboards."

"I think it was basically a PR move… this is not a football story, this is a story about a pedophile who happened to be a football coach."

"To me it is about those victims being taken care of, it's about talking about child abuse. It's not about talking about a coach's victories, it's not about talking about off tackle plays. I think the NCAA did us a horrendous disservice by pushing football back to the front and the victims to the back. Go take a look at the sports pages today and see what the stories are all about."


"If I thought for a moment the NCAA penalties were going to stop child abuse across the country, I'd say go for it. I know better than that."

"I can only speak from my heart about how I feel for him. I liked him, I enjoyed his company very much. I think he did so many good things throughout his career, I loved being around his former athletes listening to the stories. He apparently made one horrendous, horrendous decision but I don't think that can eliminate all the good that I feel that Joe Paterno did throughout his entire career at Penn State. I can only speak for myself, not for anybody else."

http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2012...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Yes. The fact that he was a football coach at a prestigious school caused the school's leadership to ignore the pedo claims. The desire to protect the school's football program at ANY cost motivated them to ignore the accusations for years and empowered Sandusky to continue. Like it or not, the football program has everything to do with this case. The two are indisputably linked.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Yet, none of those are bigger than the PSU scandal. That went on for over decade that involved the highest positions of the University.

Wow, you waste a lot of energy at losing.

It's too bad the PSU football program wasn't eliminated. You would be crying so much, you probably wouldn't even be able to go to work.

 

[lupi]

Why? B/c you can't think for yourself and need to parrot other idiots?

Guess what idiot, all of the crying by the people from these links and yourself have done nothing. PSU was punished. You lost. Now, go home to mommy and cry to her.

you can't lose when you know you're right.

James Carville: Suspending Penn State Football Is a ‘Really Dumb Idea’