Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Zargon]

why? Covering up is how this happened. EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS that had these asshats reported this on the spot--not a single one of them would have been culpable. Not a god damn one.

PSU would be fine--fuck, these guys would have been heroes had they done the right thing and nailed Sandusky to the wall in 2001.

I finally support the PedoState moniker.

pretty much this.

JoePa's now revealed intimate knowledge of this, along with other PSU higher ups, is sickening.

I removed my self from the thead like 6+ months ago because all the baseless accustaions going both ways were worse than the zimmerman thead.

But I figured I should post up, since I had posted that I wouldnt condemn anyone without evidence, that I do condemn them all now that its known that they are spinless cowards who let this shit happen

The vast majority of athletics programs lose money. Also, many schools that have 'profitable' programs also charge athletics fees that aren't counted.

I doubt many if any of the major conferences have programs losing money, Im talking SEC, Big 10 here. Maybe northwestern loses some money but I doubt many others. football and basketball provide for alot of other sports actually being able to exist

 

[Drako]

pretty much this.

JoePa's now revealed

I removed my self from the thead like 6+ months ago because all the baseless accustaions going both ways were worse than the zimmerman thead.

Apparently you did not read the Grand Jury report from that time period. LOL at "baseless accusations".

http://www.freep.com/assets/freep/pdf/C4181508116.PDF

 

[K1052]

Given how damming the Freeh report is I don't think the NCAA will stand by and say it's none of their business (as a diminishing few seem to think). Penn conducted massive ethical wrongdoing by covering up the crimes over a long period of time in the name of protecting the program at all costs, worse yet there is documented proof that this was their intent. That the university and the program directly benefited from the coverup isn't even in question.

 

[cronos]

I read that last night. WTF how can the family release it? it seems as if they don't understand what is going on. They are acting like one of the football players was busted for cheating on a test. not having JoPa cover up child mollestation.

I was saying the exact same thing a couple of posts before you. I couldn't believe how stupid they are.

But it turns out that the family did not release this statement. It was sent back in November to very few people, and apparently it leaked last night. The family was just confirming that it was a statement that Joe made/dictated to be sent to his few supporters.

 

[zinfamous]

I doubt many if any of the major conferences have programs losing money, Im talking SEC, Big 10 here. Maybe northwestern loses some money but I doubt many others. football and basketball provide for alot of other sports actually being able to exist

If anything, 90% of them break even at best, after all is considered.

Simply because ~25 top athletic programs out of hundreds and hundreds of schools (and ~312 of them in D1, right?) actually profit, does not make a good univdersal argument for the necessity of these programs--in terms of revenue generation.

They produce nothing for the university, in large part, but only support other athletics. Athletics is fine--don't get me wrong--but the long-standing argument that these programs--even the top programs--generate significant revenue for their respective universities is factually incorrect.

 

[NeoV]

ok, if you are going to talk about 'factually correct', at least get the facts straight.

There are not 312 D 1 football programs.

There are 346 "Division 1" programs, but there are only 120 Division 1 football programs.

"Division I athletic programs generated $8.7 billion in revenue in the 2009–2010 academic year. Men's teams provided 55% of the total, women's teams 15%, and 30% was not categorized by sex or sport. Football and men's basketball are usually the only sports that are profitable for universities, with others usually losing money.[20] The BYU Cougars, for example, in 2009 had revenue of $41 million and expenses of $35 million, resulting in a profit of $5.5 million or about 16% margin. Football (60% of revenue, 53% profit margin) and men's basketball (15% of revenue, 8% profit margin) were profitable; women's basketball (less than 3% of revenue) and all other sports were unprofitable"

From here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_I_(NCAA)

Let's stop the 'get rid of college sports' BS, we all know it isn't going to happen, nor should it.

 

[shortylickens]

someone is butt hurt they had zero athletic ability in their younger days....

Do you have any idea how much money some of these programs make? Where do you think they get the money for their other athletic programs?

Abolishing athletic scholarships is an idiotic idea.

Thats nice.

 

[Saint Nick]

Lmao, read his "retirement requests" list in the Freeh report. Hilarious...what a nimrod.

 

[edro]

These findings don't tarnish his legacy. They are his legacy.

I agree.

I wrote four letters to the presidents and athletic directors of Michigan and Wisconsin asking them to consider expelling PSU football from the Big Ten after reading the entire Freeh Report. That program is a stain on the conference and I don't want my schools to have anything to do with it.

lol, I'm sure they value your opinion greatly.

This is a huge WHAT IF, but What if this exact scenario happened at Wisconsin?
Just curious how you would react...

Lmao, read his "retirement requests" list in the Freeh report. Hilarious...what a nimrod.

Must find. Quote?

 

[zinfamous]

ok, if you are going to talk about 'factually correct', at least get the facts straight.

There are not 312 D 1 football programs.

There are 346 "Division 1" programs, but there are only 120 Division 1 football programs.

"Division I athletic programs generated $8.7 billion in revenue in the 2009–2010 academic year. Men's teams provided 55% of the total, women's teams 15%, and 30% was not categorized by sex or sport. Football and men's basketball are usually the only sports that are profitable for universities, with others usually losing money.[20] The BYU Cougars, for example, in 2009 had revenue of $41 million and expenses of $35 million, resulting in a profit of $5.5 million or about 16% margin. Football (60% of revenue, 53% profit margin) and men's basketball (15% of revenue, 8% profit margin) were profitable; women's basketball (less than 3% of revenue) and all other sports were unprofitable"

Holy shit! $8.1 Billion in revenue for all (347) D1 athletic programs...in one year? STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES!


PSU has an operating budget of $4.1 billion each year, not related to athletics. You know how much cash PSU receives from the AD, to factor in to this budget? ~ $60million, and that is being generous, iirc.

This is one of the top 3 athletic programs (and yeah--clearly dominated by football) in the entire country. If the academics and research of that single university takes in and produces an amount of revenue equal to half of ALL profits from 347 departments in 347 schools, including their own....then clearly, yes-athletics are indeed extremely important to these schools.



so again--I never said anything about doing away with athletics. It's about disturbing the MYTH that they generate any significant revenue for their university. They absolutely do not, as based in facts (what you posted ).

Thanks for agreeing with me, btw. :thumbsup:

 

[Atomic Playboy]

PSU has an operating budget of $4.1 billion each year, not related to athletics. You know how much cash PSU receives from the AD, to factor in to this budget? ~ $60million, and that is being generous, iirc.

This is one of the top 3 athletic programs (and yeah--clearly dominated by football) in the entire country. If the academics and research of that single university takes in and produces an amount of revenue equal to half of ALL profits from 347 departments in 347 schools, including their own....then clearly, yes-athletics are indeed extremely important to these schools.

Keep in mind that a lot of school revenue comes from fundraising dollars, and athletics can be enormous sources of fundraising revenue. Phil Knight gave UO hundreds of millions of dollars earmarked for building a new stadium. Penn State, in the wake of this scandal, has had one of its most successful fundraising years in school history. Athletics is a big draw for many donors, which is problematic when a school is given hundreds of millions earmarked towards the athletics department with nothing to spend it on. So it's not fair to say that athletics is some miniscule part of higher education; it's a source of revenue in a lot more ways than ticket sales or merchandise.

 

[edro]

Also in the file was a "Retirement Requests" list from Sandusky. This list included a request for a $20,000 yearly annuity to cover the differences between Sandusky's retiring with 30 years of service and retiring with 35 years of service," and a title reflecting his relationship with Penn State. Sandusky also asked to run a middle school youth football camp."" Handwriting on the note states: Volunteer Position Director -Positive Action for Youth" An employee who worked closely with Paterno for 10 years and knew his handwriting identified this note as written by Paterno.'"

hmmm

gj Joe
You know he rapes boys yet you give him a job as Director of Positive Action for Youth and life time access to the sports facilities.

 

[surfsatwerk]

hmmm

Makes me physically ill to read that.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

This is a huge WHAT IF, but What if this exact scenario happened at Wisconsin?
Just curious how you would react...

Feel free to dig up my posts from 2007 when Michigan sleazed RichRod out of West Virginia. I was pissed about how my school handled that. Ergo...

The issue is that this likely would not happen at any school other than Penn State. Read the Freeh Report.

 

[sactoking]

If you want to dig up the ol' athletics cost argument:
1) Be sure you're talking apples-to-apples. Quite often one groups starts talking about athletics and the other group starts talking about football; and
2) Use sources.

For example, if you want to talk about the cost of athletics, then USA today has a survey of 227 Division 1 public schools budgets from 2006-2011. Of the 227 schools, only seven had athletics programs that did not receive subsidies from student fees:
LSU
Nebraska
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Penn State
Purdue
Texas

Data for the other schools was not available as private schools do not necessarily have to disclose their finances.

The study results can be found here: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...ollege-athletics-finances-database/54955804/1

 

[cronos]

Lmao, read his "retirement requests" list in the Freeh report. Hilarious...what a nimrod.

If you read the progression of the events leading up to his retirement, it really feels like the university went out of their way to not 'hurt his feelings' and basically allowed him to get whatever he was asking. And these are people who knew about the incidents in 1998 too! This makes no sense at all.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

If you read the progression of the events leading up to his retirement, it really feels like the university went out of their way to not 'hurt his feelings' and basically allowed him to get whatever he was asking. And these are people who knew about the incidents in 1998 too! This makes no sense at all.

Sure it does, if Sandusky had dirt on other highly placed people at the university.

 

[HendrixFan]

Sure it does, if Sandusky had dirt on other highly placed people at the university.

It was rumored that the second mile foundation was used to funnel little boys to rich boosters in addition to Sandusky. Though I believe the truth is simply there were morons in charge at Penn State who had no moral compass, and didn't know where to draw the line between being a decent human being and promoting the image of a great university.

 

[NeoV]

actually Penn St's football program brings in closer to 90Million a year - and that puts them in the top 10, not the top 3.

The athletic department, in total, spends around 125M, so the football revenue pays off a significant portion of the entire athletic budget, which has nothing to do with the Penn St operating budget.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Scrolling through the Twitter feeds, I noticed this:

The first hashtag speaks volumes.

 

[RossMAN]

Moving quickly up the Amazon best seller lists !!!

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

Makes a great gift for any PSU fan

I LoL'ed at the title.

Yeah the title, WTF were they thinking?

The reviews are ... what you'd expect. How could this jack ass give it a 5 star rating?

 

[Miramonti]

For the sake of cleaning up this thread and removing a whole lot of it's needless bullsh!t, I think now would be a great time to go back and delete everything rchiu has said about this situation.

 

[Possessed Freak]

For the sake of cleaning up this thread and removing a whole lot of it's needless bullsh!t, I think now would be a great time to go back and delete everything rchiu has said about this situation.

Disagree wholeheartedly. If the user wants to delete it fine, if it is against the forum rules, fine. If not, it should stay.

 

[edro]

many issues with your post that's based on your personal opinion not fact. (opinion that I strongly disagree with)
1) JoePa IS innocent of any wrong doing. With all the information we have now, the grand jury, the state law enforcement, all emphasized that the investigation was not on JoePa. That JoePa did his part by informing those who are in charge with investigation at PSU.

2) JoePa did fulfilled his obligation by reporting to those people in charge. See this is what you people do smearing him either by ignorance or on purpose. AD and the VP he talked to are not just his "supervisor", they are the people at PSU who have the resource, the mandate to investigate and made decision on the molestation charge. The VP oversaw the campus police at the time, the AD handles administrative decision on coaches, staff and sports facility. He did not just PASS THE BUCK, he reported the incident to people responsible for handling it at PSU, just like we report crimes and suspicious activity to police.

3) Another smear with your characterization that JoePa and Sandusky were "friend". Seriously is that based on fact? Any friendship between JoePa and Sandusky ended when JoePa didn't make Sandusky his successor and resulted in Sandusky's early retirement in 1999.

You people seems to think JoePa is responsible for Sandusky only getting prosecuted now. But keep the following details in mind;
1) In 2002, there was no victim identified. No victim to come forward, it's just words by McQueary.
2) In 1998, with much more info and formal investigation, the State did nothing and couldn't even bring a case against Sandusky
3) With no victim, only one witness and no formal recording the the witness account, the school admin (emphasis again Gary Shultz headed campus police) could very well feel there is not enough to go on with the case
4) JoePa has the respect, and maybe the influence in PSU, but doesn't mean he misuse those power to interfere with other people's job or question other people's decision, especially in non-football matter. and child molestation charge is NON-FOOTBALL MATTER.
5) JoePa cannot do anything about Sandusky being on campus, first not when he doesn't have the mandate to decide, again that's the job of school admin, and second not when there is no charge and conviction against Sandusky.

You people are simply over stating JoePa's Obligation and fault for what it is in reality.

Hindsight is hilarious.

 

[Miramonti]

Disagree wholeheartedly. If the user wants to delete it fine, if it is against the forum rules, fine. If not, it should stay.

Tongue in cheek.