Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Gigantopithecus]

I feel so sorry for the kids playing. they had nothing to do with this yet are going to be the ones fucked over...again.

Hard to feel sorry for D1 athletes when actual kids were actually fucked. Let's keep some perspective here.

 

[waggy]

Hard to feel sorry for D1 athletes when actual kids were actually fucked. Let's keep some perspective here.

but what did the D1 athletes do wrong again? i am keeping a perspective. I feel sorry for the kids that got raped and i feel sorry for the kids that have to transfer.

Some of who may or may not be in the same position. some who may not even get on a team now.

Just because they they are part of Penn state does not mean we should ignore what is going to happen to them.

again they are innocent of everything too.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Hard to feel sorry for D1 athletes when actual kids were actually fucked. Let's keep some perspective here.

I feel sorry for both.

 

[zinfamous]

Hard to feel sorry for D1 athletes when actual kids were actually fucked. Let's keep some perspective here.

This

I feel sorry for both.

It's about 99:1 for me, but I suppose I could agree with that.

 

[zinfamous]

but what did the D1 athletes do wrong again? i am keeping a perspective. I feel sorry for the kids that got raped and i feel sorry for the kids that have to transfer.

Some of who may or may not be in the same position. some who may not even get on a team now.

Just because they they are part of Penn state does not mean we should ignore what is going to happen to them.

again they are innocent of everything too.

well, shit. Perhaps they should have actually spent some time in class and putting some use out of that free ride that they were given?

I'm sure some of them have.

In case, you know--athletics don't work out for them (as it is with maybe 95% of all D1 athletes)

<-- tiniest violin right here

 

[Gigantopithecus]

<-- tiniest violin right here

Exactly. Every last scholarship football player at PSU who loses their scholarship at PSU will be able to transfer; if not to another D1 school, then at least D2. The sorrow of these men is so infinitesimally small compared to the scores of boys who were raped by a monster and sacrificed to the cult of JoePa, it's not really worth even considering.

 

[zinfamous]

Exactly. Every last scholarship football player at PSU who loses their scholarship at PSU will be able to transfer; if not to another D1 school, then at least D2. The sorrow of these men is so infinitesimally small compared to the scores of boys who were raped by a monster and sacrificed to the cult of JoePa, it's not really worth even considering.

I'm shocked that people consider it. And I'm sure scores of sports "journalists" waste no time filling the air with their sympathy and compassion towards these young men, and what may happen to them--who are essentially titans on whatever campus they are/will be on.

--12+ kids raped, lives forever ruined.
--Oh Noes! But think of those poor football players who did nothing!!


FFS people--PERSPECTIVE.

This, if anything, should prove to you how absolutely insignificant this cult of college sports is. it's a fun time, sure--but it simply doesn't matter in the end. Get the Fuck over it

it is this exact attitude that lead to the PSU cult, that allowed this travesty to continue. Any sympathy for JoePa, for anyone involved, is frankly disgusting in light of what is now known.

And worrying about what will happen to 30 or so scholarship athletes on a football team is, well....pathetic.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I could give a flying fuck about the sports athletes on their free roll into college. At worst, now they actually have to go to class and study? Oh noes. They can get a free transfer to another school if they don't suck. When kids getting raped in the ass, football is meaningless.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Exactly. Every last scholarship football player at PSU who loses their scholarship at PSU will be able to transfer; if not to another D1 school, then at least D2. The sorrow of these men is so infinitesimally small compared to the scores of boys who were raped by a monster and sacrificed to the cult of JoePa, it's not really worth even considering.

And all the people associated with the program that aren't scholarship athletes get hosed. The death penalty should not be applied. Cut the programs head off by removing all the dirty coaches and administrators. Cut scholarships and bowl games too, but let the program live.

Edit: There is no justice for those kids by punishing people who did nothing wrong.

 

[actuarial]

I'm shocked that people consider it. And I'm sure scores of sports "journalists" waste no time filling the air with their sympathy and compassion towards these young men, and what may happen to them--who are essentially titans on whatever campus they are/will be on.

--12+ kids raped, lives forever ruined.
--Oh Noes! But think of those poor football players who did nothing!!

FFS people--PERSPECTIVE.

This, if anything, should prove to you how absolutely insignificant this cult of college sports is. it's a fun time, sure--but it simply doesn't matter in the end. Get the Fuck over it

it is this exact attitude that lead to the PSU cult, that allowed this travesty to continue. Any sympathy for JoePa, for anyone involved, is frankly disgusting in light of what is now known.

And worrying about what will happen to 30 or so scholarship athletes on a football team is, well....pathetic.

So cancel the whole Big 10 season then, or the whole D1 football season, if it's the culture of sports that allows this to happen.

And no one in this thread has shown any sympathy for JoePa or anyone else who was actually involved, at least once all the info was out. What we're saying is you need to find a way to punish the people who actually did something wrong, and I don't think cancelling a season does that.

I suggest every person involved in the cover-up is given a lifetime ban from ever participating in an NCAA sanctioned program (any sport) and faces whatever criminal charges apply (and considering how bad it is what they did there should be significant criminal charges). If you want to go ever further - not allow any school that employs those individuals in any capacity to participate in collegiate athletics.

 

[waggy]

Exactly. Every last scholarship football player at PSU who loses their scholarship at PSU will be able to transfer; if not to another D1 school, then at least D2. The sorrow of these men is so infinitesimally small compared to the scores of boys who were raped by a monster and sacrificed to the cult of JoePa, it's not really worth even considering.

empathy is more then just thinking of the victim. It's also caring about those that did nothing wrong who are going to be impacted from this fallout. From the athletes, students, family of the victims (dealing with this has to be hard on them) etc.


Why should anyone else's life be fucked over? just so YOU feel better? its not going to help the victims of this disgusting thing.

I agree the school needs to be punished. What I think should happen is they fire EVERYONE who had anything to do with this. no pension, no fanfare of them leaving and IF possible file charges on them. Then fine the school badly.

but we all know the NCAA will do more. i suspect 2-3 years no post season play, and no scholarships.

Allow the kids to transfer with no penalty, guarante scholarships (even if they stay at pedo state) etc. They had nothing to do with this so I think they should try to limit the impact on them.

A good portion of NCAA athletes use the scholarships to get a education. very very few go on to the pro's.

So cancel the whole Big 10 season then, or the whole D1 football season, if it's the culture of sports that allows this to happen.

And no one in this thread has shown any sympathy for JoePa or anyone else who was actually involved, at least once all the info was out. What we're saying is you need to find a way to punish the people who actually did something wrong, and I don't think cancelling a season does that.

I suggest every person involved in the cover-up is given a lifetime ban from ever participating in an NCAA sanctioned program (any sport) and faces whatever criminal charges apply (and considering how bad it is what they did there should be significant criminal charges). If you want to go ever further - not allow any school that employs those individuals in any capacity to participate in collegiate athletics.

I really really wish JoePa was still alive. I want him to suffer the emotional termoil he would go through knowing his reputation is going to shit. Knowing his legacy is not fallen to that of "Protector of child molesters" I hope there is a God so that this fucker is in Hell and suffering greatly for his deeds.

I agree with the lifetime ban. Though i suspect that is going to happen anyway.

 

[bignateyk]

I really really wish JoePa was still alive. I want him to suffer the emotional termoil he would go through knowing his reputation is going to shit. Knowing his legacy is not fallen to that of "Protector of child molesters" I hope there is a God so that this fucker is in Hell and suffering greatly for his deeds.

I agree with the lifetime ban. Though i suspect that is going to happen anyway.

Joepa wasn't protecting sandusky. He hated the guy. In the last decade they didn't talk to each other more than 2 or 3 times. Joepa was protecting the football program that he dedicated his entire life to.

Not that that's any better, but at least get his motives right if you're gonna damn the guy to hell.

 

[edro]

I don't see the point in killing the program.

The whole point to punishment is to serve as an example.
Firing everyone involved seems to serve a pretty good example.
Killing the program would mainly affect the people who were never involved in this.
The guilty parties will be dealt with through the legal system.

Things that OSU did (tattoo, selling gear, etc) should be dealt with by suspensions (player and post season, etc).
Rape and coverups should be dealt with by firing and jail.

I just think football is a completely different level than criminal justice.

I think society tends to go a little witch-hunt crazy when they prosecute horrible acts.
You can't argue against it or you are labeled a pedophile or bleeding heart liberal.

Sandusky rapes children in football stadium.
The world: "BURN THE STADIUM TO THE GROUND!"
Person A: "Uh, why not fire all involved and put them in jail?"
The world: "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW BAD CHILD RAPE IS!!!! IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU LOVE CHILD RAPE"
Person A: "Uh, ok. Burn it to the ground... I guess."

 

[waggy]

Joepa wasn't protecting sandusky. He hated the guy. In the last decade they didn't talk to each other more than 2 or 3 times. Joepa was protecting the football program that he dedicated his entire life to.

Not that that's any better, but at least get his motives right if you're gonna damn the guy to hell.

pft. fine.

i didn't say he protected him. i said t hat is what his legacy has fallen to.

 

[waggy]

I don't see the point in killing the program.

The whole point to punishment is to serve as an example.
Firing everyone involved seems to serve a pretty good example.
Killing the program would mainly affect the people who were never involved in this.
The guilty parties will be dealt with through the legal system.

Things that OSU did (tattoo, selling gear, etc) should be dealt with by suspensions (player and post season, etc).
Rape and coverups should be dealt with by firing and jail.

I just think football is a completely different level than criminal justice.

I think society tends to go a little witch-hunt crazy when they prosecute horrible acts.
You can't argue against it or you are labeled a pedophile or bleeding heart liberal.

Sandusky rapes children in football stadium.
The world: "BURN THE STADIUM TO THE GROUND!"
Person A: "Uh, why not fire all involved and put them in jail?"
The world: "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW BAD CHILD RAPE IS!!!! IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU LOVE CHILD RAPE"
Person A: "Uh, ok. Burn it to the ground... I guess."

problem is it was the College that protected him and allowed it to continue.

so the college needs to pay for that. so it comes to doing something to the school. since it was the football program it will be that that pays.

the NCAA is going to come down VERY hard on pedo state and rightfully so.

 

[SP33Demon]

I don't see the point in killing the program.

The whole point to punishment is to serve as an example.
Firing everyone involved seems to serve a pretty good example.
Killing the program would mainly affect the people who were never involved in this.
The guilty parties will be dealt with through the legal system.

Things that OSU did (tattoo, selling gear, etc) should be dealt with by suspensions (player and post season, etc).
Rape and coverups should be dealt with by firing and jail.

I just think football is a completely different level than criminal justice.

I think society tends to go a little witch-hunt crazy when they prosecute horrible acts.
You can't argue against it or you are labeled a pedophile or bleeding heart liberal.

Sandusky rapes children in football stadium.
The world: "BURN THE STADIUM TO THE GROUND!"
Person A: "Uh, why not fire all involved and put them in jail?"
The world: "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW BAD CHILD RAPE IS!!!! IF YOU DISAGREE, YOU LOVE CHILD RAPE"
Person A: "Uh, ok. Burn it to the ground... I guess."

This is pretty much it. Person A also isn't going to care that much if they're not directly associated with PSU (such as NCAA bigwigs). It's basically weighing the revenue generated by PSU vs what the public wants (lynching), as well as the domino effects (precedent) of such a decision for other institution violations. All in all, when our kids say in the future, why did PSU get the death penalty for a few years? "Child rape of kids in Penn State's showers by a coach where upper level admin covered it up", and they'll just say "oh".

 

[bignateyk]

problem is it was the College that protected him and allowed it to continue.

so the college needs to pay for that. so it comes to doing something to the school. since it was the football program it will be that that pays.

the NCAA is going to come down VERY hard on pedo state and rightfully so.

Wrong. "The College" is made up of thousands of employees, and nearly a hundred thousand students. 99.99999% of "The College" knew anything about this. There were a small number of people in the higher ups of the university that protected him. That doesn't mean you should punish the thousands of employees who had nothing to do with it.

If the president of the USA covered up something heinous, would you dismantle the entire government and cause choas for millions of people? No, you would punish the people involved.

 

[zinfamous]

Joepa wasn't protecting sandusky. He hated the guy. In the last decade they didn't talk to each other more than 2 or 3 times. Joepa was protecting the football program that he dedicated his entire life to.

Not that that's any better, but at least get his motives right if you're gonna damn the guy to hell.

If JoePa didn't like him over this time, why was he allowing this creeper to hang out in the training facilities long after he was a member of the organization?

It's JoePa--what he says goes on his turf. I'm sure if he had real problems with Sandusky, then Sandusky would not have been stalking the locker rooms like he was.



....and say PSU does lose a season or two? this doesn't end the B10--it simply removes PSU from everyone's schedule.

done.

again--boo hoo for the non-scholarship athletes. If you punish those responsible, doesn't really send the proper word to every other NCAA organization that there is far, FAR more at stake than your piddly job when something like this happens.

and so what about non-scholarship athletes? It's not like they are in school purely for sports, anyway.

 

[waggy]

Wrong. "The College" is made up of thousands of employees, and nearly a hundred thousand students. 99.99999% of "The College" knew anything about this. There were a small number of people in the higher ups of the university that protected him. That doesn't mean you should punish the thousands of employees who had nothing to do with it.

If the president of the USA covered up something heinous, would you dismantle the entire government and cause choas for millions of people? No, you would punish the people involved.

bolded for the important part. so what part of what i said was false again? IF you work for the college/uni/whatever you want to call it you represent the college. Being a higher up is worse.

 

[waggy]

again--boo hoo for the non-scholarship athletes. If you punish those responsible, doesn't really send the proper word to every other NCAA organization that there is far, FAR more at stake than your piddly job when something like this happens.

and so what about non-scholarship athletes? It's not like they are in school purely for sports, anyway.

its amazing how badly you wan't to punish people that had NOTHING to do with it.

actually its not amazing but sad.

 

[surfsatwerk]

again--boo hoo for the non-scholarship athletes. If you punish those responsible, doesn't really send the proper word to every other NCAA organization that there is far, FAR more at stake than your piddly job when something like this happens.

and so what about non-scholarship athletes? It's not like they are in school purely for sports, anyway.

I think you're completely wrong about this. What this does is encourages people to stay quiet and cover shit up. Because the powers that be are more concerned about destroying the program involved than making sure the guilty parties are punished.

 

[Miramonti]

Can the ncaa fine a school for misconduct?

If so, they should hit them with a $100-500m fine and cancel their football program for 5 years.

Scandals like this could destroy corporations, and Penn State should feel fortunate to still be standing after this.

 

[Gibsons]

Can the ncaa fine a school for misconduct?

I don't think so. They can do a near equivalent though - the death penalty is worth about 60 mil a year to PSU. Hammer their schollys enough to make them non-competitive and that will eventually hit them in the pocetbook. Bowl and TV bans also come with a financial hit, though not a big one as long as the season ticket sales are good.

Here's an idea - they can keep the football program, but they have zero scholarships and no home games for a few years. They'll get humiliated and taunted on the road over and over.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Hope they remove Paterno's statue and the football program receives the death penalty. Plus, the jailing of all of those involved in the cover-up.

Civil lawsuits will cost the University $100s of millions.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Pedophile in the maths dept. No addition or subtraction for 5 years and no counting higher than 500 for 2 years.