Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[DrunkenSano]

It is a human problem that involves Penn State Football. Football has a lot to do with it. Because it is college football, people in the administration were more willing to sweep this horrid tragedy under the rug, for the sake of college football program. And that is bullshit.

 

[surfsatwerk]

It is a human problem that involves Penn State Football. Football has a lot to do with it. Because it is college football, people in the administration were more willing to sweep this horrid tragedy under the rug, for the sake of college football program. And that is bullshit.

Throw the man's family in prison then because they had to know something was going on. Kick his neighbors out onto the street. Shut down the whole university because they were all allowing this "football culture" to exist. And disband the Catholic church while you're at it. Disband the armed forces. Disband the public school system. Disband companies where sexual harassment occurs.

Punishing those who did nothing to encourage or support this piece of human filth is not a solution to the problem.

 

[zinfamous]

Penn State football can use this as motivation, it's really an us against the world mentality for them. Don't be surprised if they are contending for the national championship, and in doing so show the world the fight they have in the face of adversity.

With child rape convictions and the massive cover-ups behind it, it's easy to lose sight of the importance that Penn State football plays in Pennsylvanians lives, rest assured, all the convictions and naysayers of the world abroad are just fuel to the fire in the deadly storm that will be Penn State Football in 2012!

Nittany Lions!

yeah. you pretty much deserve to lose your football team because of this attitude.

 

[sixone]

Throw the man's family in prison then because they had to know something was going on. Kick his neighbors out onto the street. Shut down the whole university because they were all allowing this "football culture" to exist. And disband the Catholic church while you're at it. Disband the armed forces. Disband the public school system. Disband companies where sexual harassment occurs.

Punishing those who did nothing to encourage or support this piece of human filth is not a solution to the problem.

Hallelujah, a voice of reason. Those who knew and should have acted are out already. No need to punish everyone for the bad choices of a few.

 

[zinfamous]

So we now think its a good idea to punish those whose thoughts we find objectionable? The people who allowed this to happen will have their day in court or at the very least lose their job and be held up to public ridicule.

a fan loosing their football team is punishment?


rofl.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Throw the man's family in prison then because they had to know something was going on. Kick his neighbors out onto the street. Shut down the whole university because they were all allowing this "football culture" to exist. And disband the Catholic church while you're at it. Disband the armed forces. Disband the public school system. Disband companies where sexual harassment occurs.

Punishing those who did nothing to encourage or support this piece of human filth is not a solution to the problem.

If you do not see the difference between shutting down a college program and the entire college, then you are dense. Probably a condition for those who puts college football on a pedestal above all else.

 

[zinfamous]

This is my objection with you guys. You could transplant this tragedy into a million different situations and it would have played out just the same. Why didn't somebody talk? You got priests raping alterboys, men in the Airforce raping women under their command, etc...

People make scummy awful choices to cover their own asses and lie to protect other scummy people. It happens everywhere and until we start producing a better quality of person it will continue to happen. It's not a Penn State football problem, It's a human problem.

we are talking specifically of this PSU problem, in which admins and fans are very much putting football over child welfare--so that is why we are talking about it.


doesn't make it any more evil than when it happens anywhere else, or those involved less scummy.

But, can't you see the difference between a group of people thinking they are "protecting" the value of the US Military vs a mob thinking they are protecting the sacred culture of football?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

The whole point to punishment is to serve as an example.

I think losing your local economy's cash cow for a few years will help the next coach in JoePa's position think twice about covering up for a pedophile.

$1 says Urban Meyer thinks twice about looking the other way in Columbus...

Penn State football can use this as motivation, it's really an us against the world mentality for them. Don't be surprised if they are contending for the national championship, and in doing so show the world the fight they have in the face of adversity.

With child rape convictions and the massive cover-ups behind it, it's easy to lose sight of the importance that Penn State football plays in Pennsylvanians lives, rest assured, all the convictions and naysayers of the world abroad are just fuel to the fire in the deadly storm that will be Penn State Football in 2012!

Nittany Lions!

Sure, just like it added fuel to their fire at the end of last season. Delusional, sick fool.

This is exactly the type of 'win at any and all costs' horseshit that motivated JoePa and the powers that be to try to sweep this scandal under the rug. The cover up is turning out to be far, far worse (for PSU) than the crime.

 

[surfsatwerk]

a fan loosing their football team is punishment?


rofl.

I concur, disband the game of football. It encourages young men to rape.

 

[Jeffg010]

Throw the man's family in prison then because they had to know something was going on. Kick his neighbors out onto the street. Shut down the whole university because they were all allowing this "football culture" to exist. And disband the Catholic church while you're at it. Disband the armed forces. Disband the public school system. Disband companies where sexual harassment occurs.

Punishing those who did nothing to encourage or support this piece of human filth is not a solution to the problem.

Are you saying to let the football program go on like thing happened? Tell me what you think should happen. IMO if they continue the program it is going to do more harm then a full nuke for 5 years because no top player will ever want to play with Penn State because of the stigma associated. With a full nuke they might have a chance to rebuild from scratch and help leave behind the stigma associated with it.

The other thing you are missing is that NCAA football has rules that each university has to follow. They have a code of conduct that needs to be followed. The people involved were coaches that cover up this tragedy and where directly involved. The NCAA has stated they are waiting for a full investigation of all the evidence. If you are to believe the E-mails that CNN showed it looks very bad with everyone involved. They put football over everything else that happened and this is way they need to be nuked for 5 years. The NCAA needs to send a message that this will not be tolerated.

 

[surfsatwerk]

If you do not see the difference between shutting down a college program and the entire college, then you are dense. Probably a condition for those who puts college football on a pedestal above all else.

Football is on a pedestal at a lot of schools. Protecting rapists and pedos is bad, liking football is not.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Are you saying to let the football program go on like thing happened? Tell me what you think should happen. IMO if they continue the program it is going to do more harm then a full nuke for 5 years because no top player will ever want to play with Penn State because of the stigma associated. With a full nuke they might have a chance to rebuild from scratch and help leave behind the stigma associated with it.

The other thing you are missing is that NCAA football has rules that each university has to follow. They have a code of conduct that needs to be followed. The people involved were coaches that cover up this tragedy and where directly involved. The NCAA has stated they are waiting for a full investigation of all the evidence. If you are to believe the E-mails that CNN showed it looks very bad with everyone involved. They put football over everything else that happened and this is way they need to be nuked for 5 years. The NCAA needs to send a message that this will not be tolerated.

I'm all for letting the powers that be make their own decisions on how best to handle the situation. Everyone is anxious to the look like the good guy and root out evil and corruption at Penn State. I'm saying disbanding the program, without trying to root out and punish those who actually helped the guy, is wrong. Punish individuals instead of saying everyone is guilty and everyone has to suffer.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

The NCAA needs to send a message that this will not be tolerated.

It's not just the NCAA, but also the Federal Department of Education. When schools take federal dollars in the forms of grants, student aid, student loans, etc., they are required to adhere to rules set forth by the DoE. The DoE is conducting its own investigation into this. Institutional cover-up, that goes beyond just PSU's athletic department, of a child rapist could fall under the purview of the DoE. I doubt much will come of this because the administrative scumbags directly responsible for not turning Sandusky over to the cops are already gone, but who knows? If PSU thinks losing football scholarships is bad, try losing even 5-10% of your federal aid...

 

[Gigantopithecus]

I'm all for letting the powers that be make their own decisions on how best to handle the situation. Everyone is anxious to the look like the good guy and root out evil and corruption at Penn State. I'm saying disbanding the program, without trying to root out and punish those who actually helped the guy, is wrong. Punish individuals instead of saying everyone is guilty and everyone has to suffer.

Numerous individuals in PSU's football program, including JoePa, as well as individuals in the athletic department, and even the university administration, knew what was happening. They covered it up. Why did they cover it up? Because there was too much money and too much power to lose. The root of the problem is the money and the power. You want little kids to not get raped in State College lockers, you have to take away enough money and enough power to make PSU authorities think covering for a pedophile is more expensive than obeying the law. It really is as simple as that.

 

[Jeffg010]

It's not just the NCAA, but also the Federal Department of Education. When schools take federal dollars in the forms of grants, student aid, student loans, etc., they are required to adhere to rules set forth by the DoE. The DoE is conducting its own investigation into this. Institutional cover-up, that goes beyond just PSU's athletic department, of a child rapist could fall under the purview of the DoE. I doubt much will come of this because the administrative scumbags directly responsible for not turning Sandusky over to the cops are already gone, but who knows? If PSU thinks losing football scholarships is bad, try losing even 5-10% of your federal aid...

That's a good point, there is more then just football involved here and some people are not understand that.

 

[Drako]

yeah. you pretty much deserve to lose your football team because of this attitude.

Dude, you should check out the BWI forum - this attitude is pretty pervasive over there.

 

[sixone]

Numerous individuals in PSU's football program, including JoePa, as well as individuals in the athletic department, and even the university administration, knew what was happening. They covered it up. Why did they cover it up? Because there was too much money and too much power to lose. The root of the problem is the money and the power. You want little kids to not get raped in State College lockers, you have to take away enough money and enough power to make PSU authorities think covering for a pedophile is more expensive than obeying the law. It really is as simple as that.

Can you name one individual who knew but didn't get fired already?

The problem isn't money and power, the problem is the individuals who made shitty decisions.

The money and power will be taken away when the civil suits are resolved. Why isn't that punishment enough?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Colin Cowherd was talking about the e-mails this morning on his radio show, and in particular, the e-mails from a woman who was brought in to act as a safety advisor or ethical advisor to the athletics department (I don't remember her exact title). She apparently said that when the first internal reports about Sandusky started circling in 2001, Paterno sent out an e-mail saying that he would investigate and handle the situation. She responded with an e-mail saying that she assumed he was talking about internal punishments since, as mandatory reporters, they had to turn over evidence of crimes to the police, and she got no further reply from Paterno, the athletic director or the President. Then she got run out of town with people threatening her and defacing her property. I can't find anything on this story (I'm guessing it will be updated on "The Herd with Colin Cowherd" page later today/tomorrow). Does anyone know anything about this? It painted the picture that not only did Paterno know about the incident, he was actively driving the cover-up.

Whatever the case, I'm against the death penalty for PSU football. The issue is not about the team or the players, it's about the need for better oversight to make sure that horrific crimes aren't able to be covered up for so long. There's no reason to punish the kids for the evils that men do.

-EDIT- Apparently, she was the only one who insisted on going to the policie, and the police had verified her story that she was harrassed out of town. Seems quite the sordid affair, but I guess that's pretty much a given when it centers around child molestation and rape.

-EDIT 2- Found an article in a newsfeed about it. Apparently her name was Vicky Triponey, a vice president of student affairs, and she was involved with a scandal involving football players beating up other students, not anything to do with the Sandusky rape situation. So, yeah, not as damning, though it shows that Paterno tried to wield control over all aspects of the program.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Can you name one individual who knew but didn't get fired already?

Look up the 'open joke' about Sandusky. Assuming that reporter isn't flat-out lying, who didn't know?

The problem isn't money and power, the problem is the individuals who made shitty decisions...

...because of money and power. This is the difference between proximate and ultimate causes. Removing the proximate causes (corrupt PSU authorities) is like pulling the top off a dandelion - it doesn't kill the root, and the weed comes back. Why do you think there is so much more corruption in college sports now than there was 30, 40, or 50 years ago?

The money and power will be taken away when the civil suits are resolved. Why isn't that punishment enough?

Because the losers in the civil suits will be PSU's insurers. Not PSU. Not its legions of JoePa cultists.

 

[sixone]

Look up the 'open joke' about Sandusky. Assuming that reporter isn't flat-out lying, who didn't know?

So you can't name one. Thanks for being clear about it.

...because of money and power. This is the difference between proximate and ultimate causes. Removing the proximate causes (corrupt PSU authorities) is like pulling the top off a dandelion - it doesn't kill the root, and the weed comes back. Why do you think there is so much more corruption in college sports now than there was 30, 40, or 50 years ago?

The proximate cause is lack of character - not limited to PSU, or rich people, or football people. Punishing everyone involved with the football program, even if they believed second- or third-hand rumors about Sandusky, is not fair or reasonable.

Because the losers in the civil suits will be PSU's insurers. Not PSU. Not its legions of JoePa cultists.

Those insurance premiums come from PSU, who gets that money directly from those so-called "cultists". They're the ones who pay, in the end.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Seems quite the sordid affair, but I guess that's pretty much a given when it centers around child molestation and rape.

No, not at all. What happens if, when JoePa himself finally learns of what's happening, that he immediately calls up the State College Chief of Police and Pennsylvania State AG, while they're at home having dinner, and tells them they need to do something about Sandusky? You know Paterno had enough clout that if he said "jump" to the Governor of Pennsylvania himself, the Governor probably asked "how high?" Hell, Joe Paterno could probably pick up the phone and ask to talk to then President Bush, and I bet Bush would either take or return his call. Paterno looks like a hero (because he is a good man doing a good thing), Nittany Lion football suffers no shame (they probably get sympathy for having been victimized in a way by the real evildoer), and PSU as a whole suffers essentially nothing.

But that's not what anyone, including Paterno, did. From bottom to top they all did the wrong thing.

Paterno's name is already off a Big Ten trophy, already off a coaching trophy. If these emails are as damning as they seem to be, his name will be off a library, and his statue will be torn down. There is a fantastic lesson here.

 

[Miramonti]

So you can't name one. Thanks for being clear about it.

I don't know who this reporter's sources are or who exactly held this point of view, but she claims it was an open joke:

It's hard to believe that a monster like Sandusky was harbored by Happy Valley for so long. It was an open joke in Penn State football circles that you shouldn't drop your soap in the shower when Jerry was around.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Football is on a pedestal at a lot of schools. Protecting rapists and pedos is bad, liking football is not.

Protecting rapists and pedos or sweeping such sick problems under the rug for the sake of maintaining a football program is very bad.

 

[Jeffg010]

So you can't name one. Thanks for being clear about it.


The proximate cause is lack of character - not limited to PSU, or rich people, or football people. Punishing everyone involved with the football program, even if they believed second- or third-hand rumors about Sandusky, is not fair or reasonable.



Those insurance premiums come from PSU, who gets that money directly from those so-called "cultists". They're the ones who pay, in the end.

Can you be 100% sure they fired every that was involved?

 

[sixone]

I don't know who this reporter's sources are or who exactly held this point of view, but she claims it was an open joke:

There's a big ol' honking gap between believing rumors and knowing facts. There's a reason that hearsay is not allowed in criminal proceedings.

Punishing people based on hearsay is simply unAmerican.