Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[Capt Caveman]

The school doesn't have responsibility for jack. The school is an inanimate object, which is manipulated by PEOPLE, who should be held accountable for their choices.

Trying to punish people who had no knowledge or power over the situation is needlessly vindictive. It doesn't help anyone, in the long run.

And those people were trying to protect that inanimate object. It's the reason they let more boys get raped. Not placing sanctions and making the football program an example, says it's alright to have a scandal b/c your program will not be affected.

This subject is clearing over your head.

When the civil lawsuits come in, guess who will be the defendant? Guess who is going to have pay $100s of millions?

 

[Gigantopithecus]

There was player involvement at SMU, I see no allegations that any players participated in the cover up.

Oh, right, I forgot the NCAA only has authority over actual players, not their coaches and administrative staff.

Wait...

 

[sixone]

And those people were trying to protect that inanimate object. It's the reason they let more boys get raped. Not placing sanctions and making the football program an example, says it's alright to have a scandal b/c your program will not be affected.

This subject is clearing over your head.

What's going over your head is that the program HAS BEEN affected, and will continue to be affected for the foreseeable future.

Coaches gone, a permanent stain on PSU as a whole, not just the football program, and civil and criminal liabilities.

Put all the sanctions you want on people who failed to fulfill their legal and moral obligations. But leave everyone else alone. How hard is that to understand?

 

[cronos]

The school doesn't have responsibility for jack. The school is an inanimate object, which is manipulated by PEOPLE, who should be held accountable for their choices.

Trying to punish people who had no knowledge or power over the situation is needlessly vindictive. It doesn't help anyone, in the long run.

And yet that's exactly how NCAA operates and how they punished schools. You would know this if you know anything about college sports, or read the past two pages of this thread.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

You have no fucking clue how the NCAA works.

The NCAA is a group that has membership rules. If you break those rules, they punish their members.

Jesus christ, you clearly are just a fucking idiot with no moral compass.

Is the NCAA better equipped to punish people who break the law than the courts? Now that Sandusky is in prison forever and Paterno is dead, who is left to punish? Other people who engaged in the cover-up, sure, which is a legal matter. Who gets punished by sanctions against the football program? Is it the people who broke the law, people who don't even have their jobs at Penn State anymore? Or is it the students on the team who were 10 years old when the crimes happened? After seeing what happened with SMU, are we really so eager to throw down a death penalty, knowing that it completely devastates the athletic program when it's used?

 

[sixone]

And yet that's exactly how NCAA operates and how they punished schools. You would know this if you know anything about college sports, or read the past two pages of this thread.

Doesn't make it right or ethical.

 

[preslove]

So the NCAA isn't supposed to know what's going on at the programs under their aegis, until things go public? They aren't obligated to know or act until after the fact?

What the fuck are you talking about? No, they aren't responsible for things they don't know about. Just as the pieces of shit who run Ped State weren't responsible until THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

The NCAA will sanction this corrupt, evil program after all the criminal proceedings are done. Once they have the facts, they'll punish.

Your idiotic blathering is completely incoherent. Your love for a game has bypassed whatever limited intelligence you have and has reduced you to a disgusting apologist for pedophiles and their enablers.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Oh, right, I forgot the NCAA only has authority over actual players, not their coaches and administrative staff.

Wait...

Easier to claim a whole program is bad when there is player, coach, boosters all doing wrong together. Not comparable to Penn State.

 

[preslove]

Doesn't make it right or ethical.

Funny how you never had a problem about it before this case. You only seem to care about Penn State getting punished for enabling a child rapist.

You are a disgusting piece of filth.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Easier to claim a whole program is bad when there is player, coach, boosters all doing wrong together. Not comparable to Penn State.

Here, you have coaches, top administration, possibly the local/state authority, etc. It's much worse.

 

[preslove]

Easier to claim a whole program is bad when there is player, coach, boosters all doing wrong together. Not comparable to Penn State.

If you actually cared about the facts of the case, then you'd know that wasn't true.

There was a major coverup that involved Paterno, the AD, the University president, and others: http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nati...ly-played-major-role-penn-state-cover-/54078/

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Easier to claim a whole program is bad when there is player, coach, boosters all doing wrong together. Not comparable to Penn State.

I agree what happened at SMU is not at all comparable to PSU. A handful of people in high positions of authority covering up for a serial child rapist is absolutely worse than scores of coaches and boosters conspiring to give players cash under the radar.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Is the NCAA better equipped to punish people who break the law than the courts? Now that Sandusky is in prison forever and Paterno is dead, who is left to punish? Other people who engaged in the cover-up, sure, which is a legal matter. Who gets punished by sanctions against the football program? Is it the people who broke the law, people who don't even have their jobs at Penn State anymore? Or is it the students on the team who were 10 years old when the crimes happened? After seeing what happened with SMU, are we really so eager to throw down a death penalty, knowing that it completely devastates the athletic program when it's used?

It's a deterrent for other schools that this is will not be tolerated. You think if something like this happens again somewhere that a Joe Paterno will maybe do the right thing?

 

[Miramonti]

The school doesn't have responsibility for jack. The school is an inanimate object, which is manipulated by PEOPLE, who should be held accountable for their choices.

Trying to punish people who had no knowledge or power over the situation is needlessly vindictive. It doesn't help anyone, in the long run.

So you're saying schools can't break any rules, codes of conduct, or laws, only individuals.

Imagine if corporate america had the same sh!tty level of accountability. No such thing as class action suits anymore, just hold the individuals in marketing, product development, or manufacturing responsible. What you're saying is beyond absurd and bordering on just plain stupid.

 

[cronos]

Doesn't make it right or ethical.

Not necessarily. But as I understand it we were discussing about what the NCAA will do regarding this matter, not the merit of it. Whether or not 'it's fair' is a different discussion entirely.

If the NCAA stays consistent, they will punish Penn State hard just like they punished other schools (which also didn't have any of the actual perpetrators of the violations left in the school anymore when the punishment was actioned).

 

[Capt Caveman]

What's going over your head is that the program HAS BEEN affected, and will continue to be affected for the foreseeable future.

Coaches gone, a permanent stain on PSU as a whole, not just the football program, and civil and criminal liabilities.

Put all the sanctions you want on people who failed to fulfill their legal and moral obligations. But leave everyone else alone. How hard is that to understand?

When you still have a school and state that defends a monster like Joe Paterno, there hasn't been enough punishment. And as more things come to light, it's only going to get worse.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

What you're saying is beyond absurd and bordering on just plain stupid.

It's well beyond the border. My ignore list grows larger.

 

[sixone]

What the fuck are you talking about? No, they aren't responsible for things they don't know about. Just as the pieces of shit who run Ped State weren't responsible until THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT IT.

And yet you want to punish everyone at PSU, regardless of whether they knew or had any power to act on that knowledge. Hypocritical much?

The NCAA will sanction this corrupt, evil program after all the criminal proceedings are done. Once they have the facts, they'll punish.

I'm sure they will, and you'll be thrilled to no end. There'll be no upside to that punishment, other than making people like you feel good.

Your idiotic blathering is completely incoherent. Your love for a game has bypassed whatever limited intelligence you have and has reduced you to a disgusting apologist for pedophiles and their enablers.

Clearly, reading is not your strong suit. But keep calling me names, if that's the only consolation you can find. It shows what kind of person you are, not me.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

It's a deterrent for other schools that this is will not be tolerated. You think if something like this happens again somewhere that a Joe Paterno will maybe do the right thing?

It will depend on the person. It's a complex battle between loyalty to an old friend and protecting innocent children. But even beyond that, if a coach finds himself in a similar situation, they can already look logically at what has happend with PSU and realize that in this age of technology, there is virtually no way to cover up a scandal like this. It's getting out. And you can do the right thing and turn in your friend or you can die before people realize just how involved you were in the cover-up. But the truth will come out. The NCAA sanctions have absolutely nothing to do with it. Which do you think looks more damning on Paterno's legacy: getting the football program shut down for a year or covering up child rape?

 

[sixone]

When you still have a school and state that defends a monster like Joe Paterno, there hasn't been enough punishment. And as more things come to light, it's only going to get worse.

Give me direct quotes made by the SCHOOL, defending Joe Paterno. Not quotes from individuals, because we clearly agree that those individuals should be punished accordingly.

 

[cronos]

Which do you think looks more damning on Paterno's legacy: getting the football program shut down for a year or covering up child rape?

I would think that the answer to this is pretty obvious. But reading the posts from some people here it doesn't look like everyone will be thinking the same thing on this. Crazy.

 

[Capt Caveman]

It will depend on the person. It's a complex battle between loyalty to an old friend and protecting innocent children. But even beyond that, if a coach finds himself in a similar situation, they can already look logically at what has happend with PSU and realize that in this age of technology, there is virtually no way to cover up a scandal like this. It's getting out. And you can do the right thing and turn in your friend or you can die before people realize just how involved you were in the cover-up. But the truth will come out. The NCAA sanctions have absolutely nothing to do with it. Which do you think looks more damning on Paterno's legacy: getting the football program shut down for a year or covering up child rape?

How about both?

Removing his statue and shutting down the program will give a clear message to all of his defenders that child rape is more important than football. Because it's clear that many people associated with PSU don't understand the magnitude of the situation.

 

[preslove]

And yet you want to punish everyone at PSU, regardless of whether they knew or had any power to act on that knowledge. Hypocritical much?

PENN STATE ADMINISTRATION HAD THE POWER TO ACT!

They didn't. For years. The person showing their true colors is you.

 

[preslove]

Give me direct quotes made by the SCHOOL, defending Joe Paterno. Not quotes from individuals, because we clearly agree that those individuals should be punished accordingly.

So, the NCAA should never punish a program for individual wrongdoing?

Jesus fucking christ you are stupid.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Give me direct quotes made by the SCHOOL, defending Joe Paterno. Not quotes from individuals, because we clearly agree that those individuals should be punished accordingly.

Is his statue still standing? Seriously, stop posting on this subject. A state institution allowed children to be raped and did nothing to stop it. The institution and the people involved need to be punished.