GrumpyMan
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DrPizza
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"A" crime? How the hell have you not even seen this on the news? I don't even know what the count is up to, but it's past 40 crimes now, isn't it? I'm not sure if you're playing devil's advocate here, or if you're just playing the part of village idiot. But, in this case, playing devil's advocate makes you look like a village idiot.
Miramonti
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His life has been destroyed because he chose to rape children and got caught.
Honestly tho, it's certainly up to the individual to decide whether or not to come to a conclusion before all evidence is presented in court and he and his lawyers have an opportunity to challenge the prosecution.
I don't think that is a requirement for people to wait for tho...if this is a grand conspiracy or a simple string of many misunderstandings, sure, we owe him an apology...however it's 100% clear [to me and others] this man is guilty of being scum of the earth and he will be respectfully referred to as such [by me.]
DrunkenSano
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There was another poster here, BlackAngst, that used to vehemently defend pedophiles as well. I wish I could know who these people are in real life.
waggy
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to be fair it wouldn't be the first time a story that hit the national news about child molestation was false. You are old enough to remember the stories about all the day care centers getting nailed for it.
blankslate
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Anyone who is publicly defending Penn state or is a student taking leave of their senses and rallying chanting Paterno better hope that karma doesn't exist at all...
Because if it did exist those asshats would have to watch out for their children (or future children) based on the way they are disregarding the victims.
The actions taken by the people involved Joe Paternf$#@, his assistants and the Penn state officials warrants having their football program subjected to the death penalty and should be dismantled as punishment for the extreme dereliction of common human decency.
Because if it did exist those asshats would have to watch out for their children (or future children) based on the way they are disregarding the victims.
The actions taken by the people involved Joe Paternf$#@, his assistants and the Penn state officials warrants having their football program subjected to the death penalty and should be dismantled as punishment for the extreme dereliction of common human decency.
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Here's the glaringly obvious problem with that: the people involved in the cover up have been fired or have resigned. Cancelling the program at this point doesn't punish them.
zinfamous
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the investigation is on-going. let's not jump to conclusions there, Mr Snappy.
The fact is that more and more money is being connected to this travesty, from all types of organizations in and around State College. None of that would have ever happened were it not for the tolerance of PSU football culture.
In essence: PSU football culture allowed this to happen. PSU's only recourse is to dissolve that culture, with extreme prejudice. Not that it has to be forever, but any kind of tolerance in this manner is glaringly disrespectful to the victims of rape.
And this is not an NCAA matter--this is not a violation of athletic principles--this is a criminal matter, and is incumbent upon the University to decide what is most important--restoring their reputation by reminding people that they are a serious academic research institution, or perpetuating the stigma that they are Football first, and only--even at the expense of protecting a rapist.
Homerboy
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I'm not sure if this has been posted yet but:
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/19/joe-paterno-video-jerry-sandusky-linebacker/#.Tsgc6bKDqZc
A Joe Paterno approved instructional football video has gotten the death sentence from distributors over a segment involving Jerry Sandusky interacting with young boys ... one of whom may have been among the alleged victims.
The video -- titled, "Joe Paterno: Linebackers" -- was released in the late '90s and features Sandusky running a hands on tackling drill with a group of young boys. A screen shot from the video appears above.
According to the infamous grand jury report in the Sandusky case, the person identified as Victim #4 participated in "a video made about linebackers that featured Sandusky."
The name of the video is not mentioned in the testimony, but we can't seem to find any other instructional video about linebackers that features Sandusky.
Now, TMW Media Group has pulled the video off of its website -- and a rep tells us the company will no longer offer the video for sale strictly because of Sandusky's involvement.
http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/19/joe-paterno-video-jerry-sandusky-linebacker/#.Tsgc6bKDqZc
A Joe Paterno approved instructional football video has gotten the death sentence from distributors over a segment involving Jerry Sandusky interacting with young boys ... one of whom may have been among the alleged victims.
The video -- titled, "Joe Paterno: Linebackers" -- was released in the late '90s and features Sandusky running a hands on tackling drill with a group of young boys. A screen shot from the video appears above.
According to the infamous grand jury report in the Sandusky case, the person identified as Victim #4 participated in "a video made about linebackers that featured Sandusky."
The name of the video is not mentioned in the testimony, but we can't seem to find any other instructional video about linebackers that features Sandusky.
Now, TMW Media Group has pulled the video off of its website -- and a rep tells us the company will no longer offer the video for sale strictly because of Sandusky's involvement.
blankslate
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Here's the glaringly obvious problem with your opinion... what has been already done (the removal of people involved in the cover up) doesn't even begin to address the crimes committed against even a single victim of Sandusky. Unfortunately there is more than one.
Penn state losing their football program would send a message about the severity of covering up child rape (that's what happened to at least one victim).
Other Football programs have been suspended for a year or more for much less serious violations involving payouts to players. Those are ethics violations. What Penn state is involved in goes miles beyond ethics violations.
There are long lasting ramifications that the victims of child abuse have to deal with especially if the abuse involves sexual molestation.
These are felonies not mere ethics violations which in the past has been adequate reason for suspending a sports program.
Are you seriously telling me that the cover up of child molestation doesn't warrant such action while other programs have suffered such consequences over paying college players?
I find that mind boggling.
Additionally it appears that the current governor of Pennsylvania, Tom Corbett, may have just not chosen to commit adequate resources to investigate the what happened at Penn State when he was the Attorney General of Pennsylvania.
As Zinfamous suggested this may indicate the PSU Football culture has an undue influence over things that it just should not have any influence over.
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HendrixFan
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Apparently the doctor found the lung cancer 10 years ago but instead of starting treatment or telling Joe Paterno about the results went home and told his father and left it at that.
Beev
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I would defend pedophiles the same way I defend anyone with any type of mental oddity. What I won't defend, and what you guys are talking about, are child abusers. They are not the same thing. Get over your ignorance.
With that said, I lol'd pretty hard when I heard he had cancer...
With that said, I lol'd pretty hard when I heard he had cancer...
shocksyde
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Miramonti
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waggy
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preslove
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Fucking pieces of shit: http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/alleged_jerry_sandusky_victim.html
This just goes to show that there are way too many people that valued PSU football over anything else. I agree with above, discontinuing any football at PSU for a few years is the only answer. You have to change the mentality. In a sense, every PSU fan is partly to blame for this coverup.
Actually, this just goes to show that high school kids are immature and idiotic. Every PSU fan is partly to blame? Equally as idiotic.
Drako
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:thumbsup:
Most high school kids are pretty immature, and if they found out one of their classmates had been anally raped, their would be no end to the verbal taunts. It's just a sad commentary on society in general.
Ah but when you start to bring sociologic causes into the discussion about why a college football team became more important than protecting children from a potential pedophile, this idea was not born solely in the mind of Joe Paterno or of the VP of the school. It was supported and enforced by the community. These kids that are bullying Victim #1 are not just doing so because he was raped, but because he was responsible for the firing of Joe Paterno. He is being persecuted because of who is involved, not what was involved.
zinfamous
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No. Every fan that is more incensed over Paterno being fired than they are over his culpability and the program's history of sheltering this rapist are part of the problem.
very much so.
Such people do not deserve a football team--as their priorities are clearly out of whack.
it perplexes me that many seem confounded by the possibility that PSU loses football over this case, yet are pretty much OK with strict sanctions and DP for programs engaged in ethical violations that have no legal bearing.
amazing.
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