zinfamous
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not meaningless because of the scandal--simply meaningless in the grad scheme of things b/c it's football--i.e, not worth protecting over the
reputation of the University itself. People do not seem to get this.
It is quite rotten because the culture that it developed in State college--a near personality cult with JoePa and the concept of Football in general--allowed this sort of thing to happen.
rotten.
and I love football and college athletics. Yet I'm not beholden to this silly notion that a single program, no matter where you are--is that much more important than the University. Clearly, PSU allowed this designation to happen.
and as for Sandusky...what? that's the point--He Wasn't a Coach at the time--yet was allowed to continue raping kids on campus, where he wasn't a coach, after it was well known that he was doing it. WTF is wrong with you people? stop sucking at the PSU teet and try to see what is going on here.
Also--do you seriously think this all began in 1998 when he suddenly decided, at 55, that he's gonna start raping some kids? lol.
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Child and Family Services investigating 2 new cases
Since child and family services are involved, it means they are still minors. If cases involve adults coming forward, its strictly a police matter in pennsylvania. Apparently these two cases came forward within the last 60 days.
Since child and family services are involved, it means they are still minors. If cases involve adults coming forward, its strictly a police matter in pennsylvania. Apparently these two cases came forward within the last 60 days.
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That's how I feel about it, particularly since this coverup seems atleast partially orchestrated deep within the program's ranks. I don't see how other program violations can be any more significant than this. Athletes will pay the price, but they will be able to transfer to atleast continue participation elsewhere.
What do the locker rooms have anything to do with it other than the fact that it was a semi-private area to which Sandusky had access?
Is anyone arguing that football is more important than preventing child molestation? I don't think anyone is even remotely arguing that.
Again, it's not football that made this happen, it was some individuals with some seriously misaligned moral compasses. Put those same people at any school with a big reputation to protect and you have the same issue. I imagine Spanier wanted to protect the PSU reputation as much as the football program's itself.
Do you honestly think that Paterno knew that Sandusky was actively raping children? If so, do you have any evidence whatsoever to back that up? Also what is "well known"? It seems like it was known to a very small and select few, unfortunately those with the position to conceal it. It also looks like police investigations were started, and dropped for whatever reason (lack of evidence, cronyism, etc.) and I imagine this led a few people to say, "Well, the police didn't do anything about it, so I suppose nothing was really going on." An obviously egregious error in assumption.
Of course not, I'm sure this sick fuck was hurting children far earlier. It's a shame he wasn't removed from this earth many years ago.
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Why did the heir -apparent to Paterno, largely regarded as the most desired coaching prospect in the country, suddenly retire at the young age of 55, and receive no offers, from anywhere?
bizarre, or not?
as linked in this thread from those who worked closely within the PSU organization, the "Sandusky affair" was a poorly-kept secret at many levels of the institution.
and, again, to further cram this down everyone's throat who refuses to see this--JoePa was "the mayor" of State College. not a god damn thing goes on in that town--and certainly not regarding his domain of PSU football--that he does not know about.
playing coy over that logical connection is being intellectually dishonest. Not to mention, disregarding the testiomny that he was informed, directly, of the actual details of what happened. No one has yet denied that he didn't know what happened, simply arguing silly details of how he should have reacted beyond how he actually reacted.
McQueary, whom the Grand Jury labeled as being "very trustworthy," testified to having told JoePa the exact details of what he saw. Everyone else whom testified to being "vaguely aware" of the details have been accused of perjury.
I'm simply saying that I'd rather wait for an actual investigation to be done before crucifying anyone. All this cloak and dagger, hushed conversation behind closed doors is nothing but just that. Once the investigation is done, and the truth is out, I hope that anyone responsible for covering things up gets nailed to the wall. Until then, basing some very damaging permanent decisions on "he said he said, I heard he heard, this is what we think we think" is terrible idea.
It doesn't make sense that Joe would spend so many years being so morally conservative (to the football program's detriment on more occasions than can be counted) while knowingly ignoring child rape occurring in "his" domain. You'd think if he had no problem turning a blind eye to child rape, he could have let a few bad grades, or missed team meetings slide over the years. Now perhaps he is capable of such a psychological stunt, but I'd rather see more proof than simply statements of "Joe knows all that occurs in University Park, as such he was party to child rape."
In regard to McQueary being "very trustworthy," who knows, he may be, time will tell once the investigation is over. However, it has been reported that he personally stated that he did, in fact, stop the incident he witnessed and contact the police. This contradicts the Grand Jury indictment. Maybe he's trying to claim going to the police was the meeting he was called to 1.5 weeks later with Curley and Shultz? If so, that's quite a stretch he's making and not entirely accurate. Again, things are not exactly as clear cut as people are making them out to be.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-attorney-recent-allegation-came-from-sandusky-family-member-20111123,0,5791310.story
PennLive.com reports: Jerry Sandusky's attorney said one of the two new cases of alleged sexual abuse being investigated by authorities was made by a Sandusky family member.
The new cases were reported less than 60 days ago and the assault is alleged to have occurred before Sandusky was arrested earlier this month.
so not only was he nailing kids from 2nd mile he was nailing family members...
PennLive.com reports: Jerry Sandusky's attorney said one of the two new cases of alleged sexual abuse being investigated by authorities was made by a Sandusky family member.
The new cases were reported less than 60 days ago and the assault is alleged to have occurred before Sandusky was arrested earlier this month.
so not only was he nailing kids from 2nd mile he was nailing family members...
Don Vito Corleone
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Apparently one of his sons, who he adopted in his mid-teens, attempted suicide within two weeks of moving into his home. No doubt the kid had a troubled background if he was being adopted at that age (either through the death of his custodial parent(s) and/or abuse sufficient to get him removed from his home), but it does make one wonder given what we now know about Sandusky.
Can you even imagine? Coming from a broken home with abuse of any sort, then being placed with a family where the abuse starts all over again? Such a shame.
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Why would Jerry Sandusky's attorney say that a Sandusky family member was one of the new cases? This attorney does not seem to be very bright. I think the best thing for him would be to shut his mouth. This guy seems like he is looking to get a big payday out of this and get his name out there as much as possible. He is the only one that has claimed that it is now a family member.
I have not seen clients go on TV like those 2 did and get all that media attention. Not even OJ did anything like that.
I have not seen clients go on TV like those 2 did and get all that media attention. Not even OJ did anything like that.
waggy
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meh. its a mater of public record. it would come out that it was a family member sooner or latter.
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I have quite a fair amount of experience as a prosecutor and criminal defense attorney, including successfully handling murder and molestation cases.
The attorney, Joe Amendola, strikes me as both incompetent and a person of very poor judgment. That Costas interview was an abortion, and was conducted in such a way (with Sandusky on the phone and Amendola in studio) that he had no ability to rein in his client. Incredibly stupid move on his part. There is also the issue of his taking on this particular case, knowing that he himself fathered a child with a 16-year-old, at age 49. The publicity associated with this case will significantly harm what's left of his career, and his own story just further taints Sandusky. It's just mystifying. Amendola is apparently a member/booster of Second Mile, so it appears he's doing this to help a friend, but there's still no reason he couldn't have said no.
As for this particular instance (saying that he believes the new charges involve Sandusky's own kids), I can only assume he has seen the criminal complaint or spoken to the prosecutors and knows the kids are involved, so he's not hurting his client by revealing this. Hard to see how it helps Sandusky, though.
If I were a guilty 67-year-old man, charged with such loathsome crimes and knowing the balance of my life would consist of a lengthy trial which would cause my family and victims enormous pain, following by spending the rest of my life in prison as a notorious child molester, I'd commit suicide before I could be jailed. If I were innocent and seriously wanted to fight these charges and prove my innocence, I would shitcan Amendola and hire the best attorneys available (a la OJ). Amendola is a liability to Sandusky IMO.
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Don Vito Corleone
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As a prosecutor/investigator you'd like to have access to that info to see whether it could be used to substantiate parts of the alleged victims' stories (e.g., "Jerry took me on a trip to Pittsburgh in May 2006"). It's certainly not catastrophic to the State's case that they don't have that stuff, however.
If, on the other hand, they can show that the records were taken/destroyed by Sandusky or someone else at his instruction, that will be fairly damning evidence against him, and could lead to additional charges for obstruction of justice. One strategy would be to charge him with obstruction and hope to be able to prove that he took them, but I wouldn't do that - why taint the strong molestation charges (which carry maximum sentences that will ensure he dies in prison if convicted) with a weak obstruction case? Some prosecutors take an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink approach, but in this case I would only do it if the evidence of his involvement in the disappearance of the documents were clear.
My guess is it won't cut much one way or the other in the case, because they won't be able to show he had a hand in the disappearance of the records - one never knows.
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zinfamous
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Statistically, molestation tends to only occur within families. It would be shocking, now, if he didn't molest his adopted kids.
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I wouldn't go that far. It's true that incestuous molestation is probably more common that extra-family molestation, but often offenders do one or the other, rather than both. If it's true he (at least allegedly) molested his own adopted kids, that may be the straw that broke the camel's back for his relationship with his wife, which will put him in an even more difficult situation. We shall see.
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