Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[alien42]

Report: Jerry Sandusky's charity official raised money for district judge who set his bail

Judge may face investigation

Apparently JoePa transferred ownership of his house to his wife for $1 a few months before the story broke. His atty says it was for estate planning purposes but other estate attys say such a move would have no real estate effect, that civil liability makes much more sense.

So, did Paterno see the writing on the wall back in July?

this just keeps getting dirtier by the day.

 

[cronos]

Where else do you think an ACTING AD would come from? They use the word ACTING for a reason. They aren't going to do an outside search to hire an ACTING role.

Inside man is fine, but he used to play for JoePa, same culture, etc. while it's this (at least perceived) culture that created this mess to begin with.

I guess it's super hard in Penn State to find anyone who knows anything about sports that's not related to football, huh?

 

[Miramonti]

"Dave Joyner has served the board with integrity, and he is internationally known for his work with the U.S. Olympic Committee. I am confident that he will bring that same integrity to his new role."

From one corrupt organization to another.

 

[zinfamous]

You're delusional. Those branch campuses are nothing without being tied to Penn State. What makes you think they even have a choice in the matter?

The institution isn't a piece of shit. A few people near the top are. That so called "piece of shit insitution" is made up of 50,000+ employees, 100,000+ students, 500,000+ alumni, and countless others. Not sure why you think nearly a million good people should be punished for the actions of a few people.

You're clearly rooting for the institution to fail. It's not going to happen. Enrollment isn't going to suffer, and everything else will be a temporary hit. In 6 months the media and the American public will have forgotten about it and moved on to something else leaving you and a few other pitch fork wielding zealots behind.

I agree with you, and I wish no ill will towards the actual University.

My issue with the Football program and State College, in general, is a case of "look now at what you have wrought," and further "look now at what we have wrought."

It seems that this thing is only going to get nastier and nastier, and as such, will likely spread beyond the University (circumstantial evidence, timelines, now-long record of ignored abuses related to Sandusky and elsewhere) while, perhaps, revealing more unseemly facts about University dealings.

I see this from the standpoint of the kind of power and influence we ascribe to college athletics--to athletics as a whole--over education and real human achievement. PSU has long, long guarded their AD-related financials from the NCAA and has a historic record of extreme secrecy in this regard, unlike any other NCAA University, which are beholden to divulge such information.

I'm not saying that allowing such power to an athletic program (The face of not only a University, but the face of the town, the mayor of the town, a head coach that wields more power than any elected official, is always above the law, etc) will invariably lead to a child rape scandal, but that the structure of PSU put them in a unique scenario to have allowed such a thing to happen.

So, not to ignore the horrors of this case and the victims, but this is becoming more than that--an indictment on the culture that we have--how we allow such absolute corrupting power to continue on, for fear that exposing the truth behind our most hallowed figures is a far greater evil than seeing justice done to horrible monsters. That is a sickness, and sadly--we all share it (as mentioned in several links here, from PSU athletes/media with very close ties to the program--Sandusky was a "poorly-kept secret" at PSU and at other NCAA football programs for more than a decade. Seriously: One of the top coaching prospects anywhere retiring young, and receiving no job offers.)

As such, I see no way for PSU to continue as a legit institution--one that needs to wipe its name of this rape case--without completely dissolving the culture that fostered it. If not indefinitely, but at least a couple of seasons while the sewage is completely flushed. It strikes me that this is the type of investigation and endemic corruption that will take well over a year to sort out. Continuing on without a complete accounting of those responsible is a disservice to the victims.

 

[zinfamous]

I dont see the point in any sports organization (NCAA etc) fining the school. There is just no reason to believe that this would be within their jurisdiction or that it would do anything but give the NCAA money that it doesnt deserve. I do see some civil suits in the future for Penn State, which is appropriate. The officials involved should be financially responsible as well as the university. Firing is just not good enough. Every last one of them should have gone to the cops or child and youth services the second they heard anything. Just from reading the timeline it seems like about 6 people and about 8 times someone should have been reporting this to the police. The only reason not to do so is to cover it up. No other excuses are valid.

The NCAA has already said it will investigate any potential violations after the criminal investigation is complete.

Someone posted some NCAA by-laws related to code of conduct in providing positive role models, leadership, ethical practice, etc etc. Kind of a gray area, as it probably does not pertain to non-student athletes or non-athletes (the victims were not part of the program, obviously). SO it probably lands on the NCAA and criminal investigators to show that these actions were well-known amongst the staff and the athletes--as I think such NCAA regulations only concern providing role models for students and athletes.

 

[sactoking]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...bett-approved-3-million-grant-to-second-mile/

Current Governor of Pennsylvania approved a grant of $3,000,000 to Second Mile earlier this year. It should be noted that the current Governor, Tom Corbett, was the Attorney General of Pennsylvania when the investigation into Sandusky and Second Mile began.

In other words, the guy who's office started the investigation and who impliedly knew of what was alleged to have happened gave $3,000,000 of taxpayer money to the same group.

 

[cronos]

this just keeps getting dirtier by the day.

Like bignateyk mentioned above, this investigation has been going on for two years. They had to testify in front of the grand jury, so of course every single one of them knew this was coming and prepared themselves. There's nothing inherently 'dirty' about this, imo.

Even the grand jury indictment didn't come out until Paterno won the 409th and broke the record. I seriously doubt that it's a coincidence that the indictment came out only a few days after. If Illinois had won that game on October 29th, we probably wouldn't find out about this until after the bowl season (yes, I'm implying something, can't help it )

 

[preslove]

For all you idiots claiming that Pedo State hasn't broken any NCAA rules, you might want to actually check the NCAA manual: http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4224-2011-2012-ncaa-division-i-manual-august-2011.aspx

2.4 THE PRINCIPLE OF SPORTSMANSHIP AND ETHICAL CONDUCT [*]
For intercollegiate athletics to promote the character development of participants, to enhance the integrity of higher education and to promote civility in society, student-athletes, coaches, and all others associated with these athletics programs and events should adhere to such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility. These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program. It is the responsibility of each institution to: (Revised: 1/9/96)
(a) Establish policies for sportsmanship and ethical conduct in intercollegiate athletics consistent with the educational mission and goals of the institution; and (Adopted: 1/9/96)
(b) Educate, on a continuing basis, all constituencies about the policies in Constitution 2.4-(a). (Adopted: 1/9/96)

It's on page 16 of the manual. Your defensive coordinator raping young boys on campus, several coaches covering up for it, and administrators of the AD AND the university itself breaking the law to cover it up constitutes a serious breach of this principle.

 

[bignateyk]

Like bignateyk mentioned above, this investigation has been going on for two years. They had to testify in front of the grand jury, so of course every single one of them knew this was coming and prepared themselves. There's nothing inherently 'dirty' about this, imo.

Even the grand jury indictment didn't come out until Paterno won the 409th and broke the record. I seriously doubt that it's a coincidence that the indictment came out only a few days after. If Illinois had won that game on October 29th, we probably wouldn't find out about this until after the bowl season (yes, I'm implying something, can't help it )

I dunno.. if there was some conspiracy and they were really waiting until after JoePa won his 409th game, don't you think they would have spared him the rest of this embarassment and waited until after bowl season was over and he had already retired on his own?

 

[shocksyde]

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...bett-approved-3-million-grant-to-second-mile/

Current Governor of Pennsylvania approved a grant of $3,000,000 to Second Mile earlier this year. It should be noted that the current Governor, Tom Corbett, was the Attorney General of Pennsylvania when the investigation into Sandusky and Second Mile began.

In other words, the guy who's office started the investigation and who impliedly knew of what was alleged to have happened gave $3,000,000 of taxpayer money to the same group.

Please stop. I can't take it anymore!

 

[SP33Demon]

Everyone in PA is in on it, including the Phillie Fanatic and now Pat & Geno... even Wiz Kalifa and Big Ben.

 

[Miramonti]

It's insane, headlines coming out every hour.

Mike McQueary's statement to police doesn't say he stopped attack, notified police about Sandusky allegations

Penn State assistant football coach Mike McQueary never mentioned that he talked to police in 2002 after witnessing an alleged sexual assault by Jerry Sandusky of a young boy, according to a hand-written statement McQueary gave to police during the recent grand jury investigation.

 

[bignateyk]

Everyone in PA is in on it, including the Phillie Fanatic and now Pat & Geno... even Wiz Kalifa and Big Ben.

Don't forget Lemieux. He's been molesting Crosby since the day he moved in.

 

[rcpratt]

Twitter reports are saying that PSU is going to be removing the JoePa statue over the holiday break.

 

[bignateyk]

Twitter reports are saying that PSU is going to be removing the JoePa statue over the holiday break.

lol, that's not smart. They should at least wait until summer when the students are gone longer than 2 weeks.

 

[SP33Demon]

Wow removing the statue? holy hell they are pissed.

 

[shocksyde]

It's insane, headlines coming out every hour.

Mike McQueary's statement to police doesn't say he stopped attack, notified police about Sandusky allegations

Yeah, start lying about it, McQueary. That'll make it better. Fucking idiot. Enjoy the rest of your life labeled as a child rapist apologist.

 

[CPA]

lol, that's not smart. They should at least wait until summer when the students are gone longer than 2 weeks.

It's happening next week:

Gregg Doyel (@greggdoyelcbs)
11/16/11 10:05 AM
Last update: PSU professors have told students it's a done deal: Paterno statue going down over Thanksgiving

 

[Miramonti]

Twitter reports are saying that PSU is going to be removing the JoePa statue over the holiday break.

Wow...more sh!t like this and soon I'll be arguing rchiu's point.

I don't know about that, but people need to calm the fvck down and not go too far on either end (protesting his firing was one extreme, now this...) More needs to be unfolded before stripping PSU of everything paterno imo.

 

[bignateyk]

It's happening next week:

Gregg Doyel (@greggdoyelcbs)
11/16/11 10:05 AM
Last update: PSU professors have told students it's a done deal: Paterno statue going down over Thanksgiving

Seems odd they would tell anyone they were going to do it. Someone will probably go and steal it now before they get a chance to remove it.

 

[sactoking]

Seems odd they would tell anyone they were going to do it. Someone will probably go and steal it now before they get a chance to remove it.

Not to underestimate the resourcefulness of college students, but doesn't that thing weigh about a half ton?

 

[bignateyk]

Not to underestimate the resourcefulness of college students, but doesn't that thing weigh about a half ton?

Beats me. I can't imagine it weighs quite that much since it is life size (only about 5 feet tall or something). I would think a half dozen students could lift it onto a truck or dolly of some kind.

 

[waggy]

For all you idiots claiming that Pedo State hasn't broken any NCAA rules, you might want to actually check the NCAA manual: http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4224-2011-2012-ncaa-division-i-manual-august-2011.aspx



It's on page 16 of the manual. Your defensive coordinator raping young boys on campus, several coaches covering up for it, and administrators of the AD AND the university itself breaking the law to cover it up constitutes a serious breach of this principle.

yes they did. BUT the punishment that people are saying they want from desolving the football program to cancelling the season are bad. and the effects of that have more of a impact then the football system.

I do see NCAA fining them. but cancelling a season? hell no.

 

[cronos]

Yeah, start lying about it, McQueary. That'll make it better. Fucking idiot. Enjoy the rest of your life labeled as a child rapist apologist.

I'm actually one of the rare McQueary believers. I really think he did everything he could that day. Obviously he dropped the ball by not following up after years passed and he saw Sandusky still hanging out around campus, so I'm not saying that he's completely without fault. But let's just say that I think he's the least 'guilty' (morally or otherwise) of all the people whose name have come out in this mess.

Btw, I have no reason at all to think this way, just pure gut feeling

 

[shocksyde]

I'm actually one of the rare McQueary believers. I really think he did everything he could that day. Obviously he dropped the ball by not following up after years passed and he saw Sandusky still hanging out around campus, so I'm not saying that he's completely without fault. But let's just say that I think he's the least 'guilty' (morally or otherwise) of all the people whose name have come out in this mess.

Btw, I have no reason at all to think this way, just pure gut feeling

Why lie to the grand jury and say all you did was tell Paterno?