Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[SAWYER]

Sports are like as damn cult to some, it is really insane how crazy people get over it

 

[zinfamous]

Sports are like as damn cult to some, it is really insane how crazy people get over it

I love college sports--I grew up in the god damn home of college basketball and call anyone who disagrees a god damn charlatan! (I'm "talking tobacco road," of course). And I understand the cult mentality as well as anyone, and have very much been a part of that as a student.

I also grew the fuck up, and realized and learned--that as big a deal as some people think such sports programs are, they generally represent the puniest, most insignificant aspects of any major research university.

Maybe some day more will come to understand that absolute fact, and while I get that it is hard for some people to understand, I think being beholden to the assumption that sports programs define the identity and success of an academic institution has created such a strong hold on people.

what if this had been a rape scandal at the department of microbiology at PSU, with several faculty engaged in an organized conspiracy to protect a rapist?

How many would be clamoring for that department to cease existence; or, at least, think it far less insane than shutting down an athletic program?

bear in mind--this type of department represents real money and influence for such a university, and millions of people actually do depend on that type of work--biomedical research and such...

But no, god forbid someone touch our rape-sheltering athletics program. boo fucking hoo.

 

[Phokus]

yes they did. BUT the punishment that people are saying they want from desolving the football program to cancelling the season are bad. and the effects of that have more of a impact then the football system.

I do see NCAA fining them. but cancelling a season? hell no.

Penn State should do it voluntarily anyway. It's actually better for them in the long run. If they play out the next few years with 1 or 2 win seasons (assuming they can't recruit ANYONE), i think that hurts them even more than if they cancelled it themselves.

 

[holden j caufield]

The cover up and connections are crazy in this case. From the dept, college, admin, police, county, state etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/s...dusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&hp

 

[Miramonti]

Patriot-News Special Report: The Second Mile and Penn State: Charity and university's fates were tied together

 

[waggy]

The cover up and connections are crazy in this case. From the dept, college, admin, police, county, state etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/s...dusky-investigators.html?pagewanted=1&_r=3&hp

actually sounds like the campus police did a lot. just the DA didn't want to charge him. sounds like they needed a 100% proven case.

but man the dpt and college admin all need to be fired from the top to bottom. but hell we knew that from the start

Patriot-News Special Report: The Second Mile and Penn State: Charity and university's fates were tied together

not really a suprise or even damning. I am willing to bet that many charity's run by ex workers at a big school are closely tied to the school.


Sad part of this story (well besides all the mollested kids) is all the kids that are going to be hurt from this. From college athletes, students and kids helped by 2nd mile. the fallout is going to suck for them.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I guess the Wikipedia article omitted the expressed regret by the NCAA with regard to imposing the death penalty upon SMU. They ruined their program and regretted greatly in hindsight. SMU is only now recovering - it took decades to get that program back on track.

You people need to knock it off with this nonsense about killing Penn States program, university, etc. That line of thinking is every bit as fringe and narrow minded as rchiu's blind loyalty to the school and to Paterno. You're both nutjobs. You seriously think it's appropriate to punish a million+ people for the actions of a few? You sound like children.

Yes, Paterno et al should rot for what they did(n't) do, but try to maintain at least a little perspective.

Kill the school? No, that would be absurd, PSU as a university should remain. But the football team needs to be killed off, then rebuilt from the ground up. With new and much stricter regulations, all previous administrators fired and investigated heavily. Those who are found to be part of the cover up, jailed for a very long time, Paterno for the rest of his life if it is found out that he covered for the child rapist. The Second Mile program needs to be dismantled and investigated heavily as well.

Only when the investigation is finished, the administrators and coaches removed, replaced, can the football team be rebuilt with a clean slate along with a strong message that football does not come first. The school does. When the reputation of a school's football program comes ahead of putting a child rapist behind bars, a major change is needed.

 

[GrumpyMan]

The way I see it is pretty clear cut to me at least:

Children's welfare > any college sports program or college image

The way Penn State saw it:

Any college sports program or college image > children's welfare

It's that form of thinking that occurred at PS that needs to be addressed.

 

[darkewaffle]

Was going to post the Harris story, business as usual of course but sad to see nonetheless. Hopefully this doesn't turn on him.

It's easy to point fingers when you're on the outside, but it's a story as old as time to want to protect/stand up for someone you care about, even when they do something bad.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I disagree darkewaffle, at some point the line has to be drawn and I think most people would agree. If the person was a drug addict or an alcoholic, something like that then you may try to hide the truth and get your friend help. But if it's murder of an innocent or child molestation, I would report him immediately. Co-worker, friend, or family member.

 

[a123456]

Was going to post the Harris story, business as usual of course but sad to see nonetheless. Hopefully this doesn't turn on him.

It's easy to point fingers when you're on the outside, but it's a story as old as time to want to protect/stand up for someone you care about, even when they do something bad.

Yeah, I may not agree but I can see why tons of alums support Joe. He was almost like a father figure type to a lot of them. Some source of leadership. Personally, I don't think we should put celebrities on pedestals since they're human and make mistakes like everyone else but I can see why lots of people like him. Lots of people like to put famous people as role models.

More disturbing is the possible lying by McQueary over reporting the incident to the police. Again, I can see why he would since he's been getting hammered by everyone for not doing more. But making public false statements that are material to the case could discredit him as a witness. Since he's the star witness, this might hurt the criminal case against Sandusky a lot.

 

[zinfamous]

Only when the investigation is finished, the administrators and coaches removed, replaced, can the football team be rebuilt with a clean slate along with a strong message that football does not come first. The school does. When the reputation of a school's football program comes ahead of putting a child rapist behind bars, a major change is needed.

Yeha, people don't seem to get it. One may call this horrible and terrible, yet still defend to their death this notion that this program, or such a related program is actually that important. Important enough to get a slap on the wrist after having been connected to the worst crimes ever perpetrated by a collegiate athletics program.

These aren't piddly, NCAA violations that have no actual legal baring, these are crimes of abuse perpetrated against children, the coverup and collusion nearly as insidious as the rapes.

Many here agree, it seems, that "football doesn't come first," yet most are completely unwilling to address what that means, and how to enforce that.

 

[alien42]

making public false statements that are material to the case could discredit him as a witness.

when exactly did McQueary make public false statements?

 

[zinfamous]

I disagree darkewaffle, at some point the line has to be drawn and I think most people would agree. If the person was a drug addict or an alcoholic, something like that then you may try to hide the truth and get your friend help. But if it's murder of an innocent or child molestation, I would report him immediately. Co-worker, friend, or family member.

Paterno is basically his father, or even more than that. I don't think it's that simple.

And none of the reactions from those so close to the organization are that surprising. Which reinforces the fact that everyone has to go.

The ties and emotions are far too close in this to allow for an honest, objective investigation.

 

[zinfamous]

when exactly did McQueary make public false statements?

1-2 days ago he said that he did stop the rape that he witnessed, and that he did notify the police.

"The police," I believe, have already rejected his account.

so, maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

 

[Miramonti]

McQueary's account is critical at this point because if he changes his story, then his credibility will be challenged regarding what he witnessed. The DA's case needs him to be a credible witness or else the cases against the penn officials fall apart imo. I wouldn't go so far as to say the case against sandusky falls apart with so many victims, but a credible eyewitness testimony is a significant part of the grand jury's report.

 

[bignateyk]

Well technically he isn't lying when he says he discussed the matter with police considering Shultz was the head of police and him and Curley met with McQueary.

 

[alien42]

1-2 days ago he said that he did stop the rape that he witnessed, and that he did notify the police.

"The police," I believe, have already rejected his account.

so, maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

that was from a leaked e-mail and McQuery did not make a public statement saying that, big difference.

 

[Miramonti]

Well technically he isn't lying when he says he discussed the matter with police considering Shultz was the head of police and him and Curley met with McQueary.

Could be, but who really knows what that email meant. Apparently it was killing him to get berated and not be able to talk about it per lawyers advice, so he sends this email out "off the record." And now he's getting slammed harder because of the apparent conflicting stories. He should have just stfu, lol.

 

[abaez]

Didn't the Grand Jury report say they believed McQ was a credible witness? I don't think they said the same for the AD and other guy.

 

[Beev]

Sports are worth fuckall and jackshit. In order for PSU to not stay the laughing stock of well... everyone that knows about them they need to can the football program for at least a season and get this shit sorted out. Period.

The fucks that seem to think football is the end all be all and don't think anyone at all should be punished are pathetic.

 

[zinfamous]

that was from a leaked e-mail and McQuery did not make a public statement saying that, big difference.

Oh, didn't realize that.

 

[Miramonti]

Didn't the Grand Jury report say they believed McQ was a credible witness? I don't think they said the same for the AD and other guy.

yes and hopefully he stfu's and doesn't do anything to jeopardize his crediblity while trying to defend himself in the court of public opinion.

 

[bignateyk]

yes and hopefully he stfu's and doesn't do anything to jeopardize his crediblity while trying to defend himself in the court of public opinion.

I don't blame him. The media has basically stirred the general public into a lynching mob for everyone involved. I'd be trying to defend myself too.

 

[sactoking]

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...es-from-jerry-sanduskys-charity-are-missing/1

Police now say that Second Mile records from 2000-2003 which may be "key" in the case against Sandusky are now mysteriously missing.