Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[darkswordsman17]

I feel bad for him. I take an enormous amount of pride in my degrees from Big Ten universities; there is a very real sense of community despite the size and scope of these schools. I can't even imagine what it must feel like to realize that telling people he went to Penn State will, for the foreseeable future at least, will immediately introduce an elephant into the room. Obviously it's not right, but it is what it is.

Being an apologist on an internet message board for a man whose moral/ethical failure facilitated the rape of children, getting taken to task for being an apologist, and then smarmily asserting you don't care what other people think despite your engagement in the thread is just plain stupid.

If this had occurred at Michigan or Wisconsin, I sure as hell wouldn't be defending what happened. I'd be advocating a total house cleaning, and hoping that it would eventually be a catalyst for positive action.

I don't feel bad for him, because you have to be a despicable person to defend something like this, especially with all the lies and other junk he's thrown out.

I guess I might react the same way if I found out a friend family is involved in something like this. I don't know. His whole attitude is pathetic. The sad thing is, he's been successful in derailing things.

I just hope that we're not arguing with someone that is somehow involved, that he's just some dipshit Penn State student/alum.

 

[Wreckem]

I'm talking about real police. Answer the question. and yes. A minor issue can be reported to the campus police. If there was something serious, you call the real police. And if you went to the campus "police" first, if they don't do anything, you call the real fucking police. especially when kids are being raped. are you really this dumb?

In most states, the only police with jurisdiction on a University Campus are the University Police and the State Police. Typically State Police only get involved if the University Police ask them to.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I'm pretty sure if someone told the State Police that the University Police isn't doing anything about a child rape, they won't brush it off. Especially if it goes to the media too.

 

[rchiu]

I'm sure he's a smart guy JP is. He should have known that the punishment given by PSU, did not in anyway, fit the crime committed. He, or Mcqueary, or anyone else who knoew about the incident should have called the police. Why didn't he? Why didn't anyone of them? They knew right from wrong, but washed their hands of it once PSU handed out it's own brand of punishment. This is why there is such an outrage against your school, your beloved JoePa, McQueary, the AD, etc.etc. They DIDN'T DO ENOUGH.

Are you happy with the how the issue was handled by Penn State? Don't YOU think something more should have been done? Or you do you wholeheardtly agree with the punishment given?

Again, I am not fixating on one person. All of them are culpable. They all deserve to be fired, they all deserve the final judgement given to them by the court of their peers.

You'd dismiss me if I tell you the fact I have 2 young boys anyway. But I do have 2 boys and I'd cut the dick off anyone try to molest them. If my son was molested and someone saw it happen and didn't call 911, I'd sue the shit out of him as well. But if someone knew about it after the fact, and immediately talked to the authority he thought in the best position to take care of the situation, but the authority didn't take action, I'd sue the authority.

You say that the AD is the authority, and rightfully so, but this is no ordinary situation we have here. Joe Paterno was probably the biggest man on the campus with the most pull and the heaviest influence. He WAS an authority figure on that campus. To say he wasn't would be absolute denial of facts.

As a father, no way would I dismiss you, but you too would be screaming for anyone and everyone's blood if something (God forbid) happened to one of your sons. Be honest with yourself.

Heh, I have been honest, maybe too honest. I would go after the right person, the real person at fault, not the most famous person or anyone and everyone. But this forum doesn't seem to understand that.

 

[Phokus]

Well me being in the 1% says otherwise.

Hahahahaha, you republican piece of shit. That's all that matters to you.

 

[GrumpyMan]

I just hope that we're not arguing with someone that is somehow involved, that he's just some dipshit Penn State student/alum.

Actually, you are.

 

[Miramonti]

I would have a problem with someone letting a rapist access their house after that learning that person was raping children there.

Not that this has anything to do with granPa. lol

 

[Phokus]

Rchiu's just mad that the Penn State brand on his MBA degree went down the toilet.

 

[Wreckem]

I'm pretty sure if someone told the State Police that the University Police isn't doing anything about a child rape, they won't brush it off. Especially if it goes to the media too.

But no one did.

The system failed in 1998.
Janitors failed to report an incident in 2000.
No one reported to police in 2002.
Second Mile knew of everything since 1998 as well. They knew of the allegation in 2002 as well.

Everyone is putting most of the heat on JoePa. Sandusky did it, no one else.

In terms of who should have done something and are now culpable. Second Mile is the most culpable party here. They knew of allegations since 1998, but they didn't sever ties with Sandusky until 2008 or so. And continued allowing him access to children. No one else gave him access to children.

Following that. Schultz and Curly are the next most culpable. They said they would take care of it and they didn't.

McQeary and JoePa are the least culpable of the entire group but they are the ones taking the most heat. Are they culpable? Yes. Should they be taking most of the heat? No.

Also, lets not forget PSUPD and the DA in 1998. They should have done more digging. And again there were the janitors in 2000.

I honestly don't know why people aren't focusing more on Second Mile. That is where the real story is. I don't doubt those working on tracking down leads on Second Mile are going to find a lot of dirt and skeletons in the Second Mile closet.

 

[Phokus]

Hahahahahaha, some of Sandusky's former teammates have sent in money for his defense. As if Penn State doesn't have enough shame as it is. What a fucking awful university. Good job one-upping the young people with your moral degradation you old douchebags.

Sam Stellatella, a three-position player in the 1950s, has donated money to Sandusky's defense and urged other former players to do the same.

"I told him he's going to need a million dollars to defend himself," the 73-year-old Stellatella said. "He called me back and said, 'What am I going to do with this money?' I said, 'Use it for your lawyer because you're going to need it.' "

Stellatella sent Sandusky $100. He wrote personal letters to other members of the 1959 Liberty Bowl team that defeated a Bear Bryant-coached Alabama team and asked they also donate. He does not know how much money was raised.

"I know some of the guys sent money," Stellatella told The Associated Press. "Here's the thing, these are horrendous charges against him. But he's still entitled to his day in court. Everybody's prejudged him. He's done horrendous damage to Paterno and (athletic director Tim) Curley and the football program. I don't listen to the news and I don't read the reports of what he did because I would get too upset.

 

[Miramonti]

Hahahahahaha, some of Sandusky's former teammates have sent in money for his defense. As if Penn State doesn't have enough shame as it is. What a fucking awful university. Good job one-upping the young people with your moral degradation you old douchebags.

Classic.

In other news...McQueary placed on administrative leave

 

[alien42]

Hahahahahaha, some of Sandusky's former teammates have sent in money for his defense. As if Penn State doesn't have enough shame as it is. What a fucking awful university. Good job one-upping the young people with your moral degradation you old douchebags.

what makes that even more disturbing is that Sam Stellatella was a teacher and coach.

 

[shocksyde]

It just keeps getting better (worse). Penn State can't shoot itself in the foot anymore because all its toes are shot off already.

 

[JS80]

Hahahahahaha, some of Sandusky's former teammates have sent in money for his defense. As if Penn State doesn't have enough shame as it is. What a fucking awful university. Good job one-upping the young people with your moral degradation you old douchebags.

lol...$100...that's a slap in the face. or perhaps that was the intention.

 

[Phokus]

lol...$100...that's a slap in the face. or perhaps that was the intention.

Or he's broke. I think it's telling that he wrote personal letters to his former teammates to donate.

 

[DrunkenSano]

What the fuck is wrong with these people.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

What the fuck is wrong with these people.

They grew up thinking of these people as family for basically their entire lives. When your uncle is accused of a horrific crime, it doesn't matter how much evidence there is, you're going to make excuses for him because he's close to you. For an outside observer (like most of us are), this is a simple case of "evil coach rapes little boys." It's cut and dry. But if that was our family member being accused, someone we were close to, someone we had grown up with, we'd be making excuses for their behavior. "Oh, he's got a disease, what he did was terrible, but he needs our sympathy; it's not his fault." We'd be just as forgiving as rchiu has been. They grew up in the culture where these people were very literally thought of as family.

Does that make it OK? No, of course not. But it's going to take someone a lot longer to come to grips with the horrific reality of what occurred if they're dealing with a loved one as opposed to simply some random person.

 

[SP33Demon]

rchiu was raped by Paterno and Sandusky at the same time, it's the only explanation.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Hahahahahaha, some of Sandusky's former teammates have sent in money for his defense. As if Penn State doesn't have enough shame as it is. What a fucking awful university. Good job one-upping the young people with your moral degradation you old douchebags.

I don't know why it's an example of "moral degradation" to support someone you love, even if they've done something terrible.

An error in judgment, perhaps yes... but this revelation has also hit those closest to Sandusky. I don't think it's necessarily surprising or wrong that some of his closest friends might still try to support him during the trial.

 

[DrPizza]

video on the front page of espn...

http://espn.go.com/

Jon Ritchie talks about Sandusky and why it might've been so difficult for those who knew him, to do something about it.

I know people are like how could this have ever happened, but I think really understanding the situation makes you realize why it was so difficult for McQueary and others to do something about it. Doesn't make it right, but helps you understand that it wouldn't have been such an easy decision as some people make it out to be.

Not denying that it wouldn't be a tough decision for many people. But, people with a strong moral compass would have made the correct decision.

Hay rchiu tell me how you can defend Joe when Sandusky kept coming and going on campus after Joe was told of the rape in the shower.

Stilllllll waiting for him to answer that. But, he can't. Because if he does, then he has to admit that Joe was doing the wrong thing.

 

[rasczak]

Heh, I have been honest, maybe too honest. I would go after the right person, the real person at fault, not the most famous person or anyone and everyone. But this forum doesn't seem to understand that.

Not to fault. However, you seem to think we're only focused on one individual when we're really not. The originally OP stated all four were culpable. They are. However, the focus has come down to JoePa, because people seem to think he is innocent of any wrongdoing. He is not. He may have gone through his "supervisor" but he still had an obligation to the young child his *friend* harmed. This is the point we are trying to make. The public ,after seeing the GJ testimony, believes rightfully so that JoePa was indeed at fault for not notifying the police. We have never once stated on this thread the JoePa is the only one at fault. He is one of MANY at fault.

 

[zinfamous]

Not denying that it wouldn't be a tough decision for many people. But, people with a strong moral compass would have made the correct decision.



Stilllllll waiting for him to answer that. But, he can't. Because if he does, then he has to admit that Joe was doing the wrong thing.

nah, Joe never did the wrong thing. Sandusky was perfectly fine to hang out under Joe's nose and keep bringing the kids along, b/c 'ol Joe did the bare minimum necessary to protect his own ass. Remember: this is what great leaders do. The bare minimum.

I'm sure Rchiu would have been perfectly fine, in hindsight, to have let his boys hang out in the PSU locker room, knowing that good ol Joe and McQueary and everyone else were comfortable with Sandusky hanging around.

 

[rcpratt]

Penn State's deposed receivers coach Mike McQueary, today placed on what the school called "administrative leave," moments ago told his receivers on a brief conference call that he was in "protective custody" at a secluded location not in State College.

McQueary, witness to the alleged sexual assault of a 10-year-old boy in 2002 by Jerry Sandusky, has been the subject of physical threats. He is the key subject in further investigation into the scandal and potentially could be the single most important trial witness.

On Friday afternoon, according to two team sources, new receivers coach Kermit Buggs gathered his players in a room at the PSU football complex and allowed them to talk with McQueary on a speaker phone.

During a brief and emotional conversation, McQueary told them, “I wanted to let you guys know I'm not your coach anymore. I'm done.”
When players asked, "Coach, where are you? Can we see you?" McQueary responded, “No, I'm actually in protective custody. I'm not in State College.”

McQueary added that he was, "Double-fisting it," meaning he was having two drinks at once.

It was decided by school officials yesterday that McQueary would not coach in Saturday's game against Nebraska after he received threats.

McQueary, 37, has been a full-time coach at PSU since 2004, specializing as the receivers coach and recruiting coordinator. He was the Nittany Lions' starting quarterback in 1997. He is married with a 2-year-old daughter.

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/11/mcqueary_tells_psu_wideouts_he.html

 

[SP33Demon]

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2011/11/mcqueary_tells_psu_wideouts_he.html

He said "double-fisting" lol.

 

[rcpratt]

He said "double-fisting" lol.

Can't blame him, I'd be doing the same.