What facts? It doesn't matter. You can bet what Joe Paterno wanted he would have gotten. Who would have stopped him?
What facts? It doesn't matter. You can bet what Joe Paterno wanted he would have gotten. Who would have stopped him?
DrunkenSano
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It's sad to see rchiu support child rape, what a messed up person. Please don't post here anymore, we don't want people like you around. It's sickening.
cronos
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I'm just going to play along here.
Since you know the inside story and everything, maybe you can tell us why JoePa and Sandusky's friendship ended in 1999? (Frankly this is the first time I've heard that they haven't been friends anymore since 99, so I hope you didn't just make this up)
You'll have to admit that the timing is curious, right? Right before his retirement Sandusky was mentioned as a very likely candidate for Paterno's successor, and all of the sudden he retires. It was 1999 and they have known each other for at least about 33 years (Sandusky played for Penn State 63-65, Paterno was assistant coach back then), Paterno (as HC) hired Sandusky in 69 as a defensive line coach, and then promoted him to linebackers coach (70) and finally defensive coordinator (77) for 22 years until his sudden retirement.
They must be pretty tight, and you said that this friendship 'ended' just like that in 1999. Why? Maybe because of something that happened in 1998 that JoePa (as you have mentioned several times) knew nothing about (hint hint nudge nudge)?
Also, as a bonus question, if Sandusky was really banned from campus in 2002 after the McQueary incident, why did Paterno let him come watch a closed practice (together with a Second Mile kid that came with him!) as late as 2007?
pretty good article here that sums this all up pretty good http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...aterno-Mike-McQueary-needed-to-do-more-111111
Paterno has a history of overruling the Board of Trustees. The most famous being 2004 when 2 members of the Board came to his house and asked him to retire and he kicked them out. At that time, he had more pull than the Board so he got to stay. I don't think he had absolute power but more likely than not, if he really really wanted something, it would have gotten done.
That said, as of now, we don't know all of the facts of the case and exactly how much Joe knew or did. He's not going to give a public statement or apologize much, I would guess, because his lawyers are going to tell him to keep quiet. If he admits anything, it'll just get used in the civil lawsuits that are sure to come against PSU, including current and former employees.
Even if he's as unknowing as he's claimed, the Board still had every right to fire him for insubordination. He went on national TV and basically said without consulting the Board, again, he was keeping his job until the end of his current contract because he wanted to and the board could go stuff it. Of course, now is slightly more sensitive than 2004 so the Board's not going to just sit there and take it.
The other point is that if they want to try to keep current sponsors and attract future recruits/students, the common practice after scandal is to clean house completely by firing everybody in upper management even remotely involved and disassociate. From the Board's point of view, what they did was the best long-term financial decision for the school. That's what they should be doing.
Overall, I don't hate him or think he's a bad person. I think Joe gets more attention right now in the media and in discussions only because the other players (e.g. Sandusky, Spanier, etc.) are boring by being almost universally hated/wrong so there's not much to talk about after the first couple of sentences.
"Yep, Sandusky is bad."
"Yep."
"..."
There needs to be change at Penn State. The administration put the football program and sponsorship money ahead of all else, including obviously the kids. Sadly, they won't be the first or the last to see the world through green-colored glasses.
Phokus
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Penn State fans are complete garbage:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/?page=1
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...e-stadium-profanity-scorn-joe-paterno/?page=1
zinfamous
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I can only imagine that's rchiu right there in the PSU sweater stumbling by with a plastic-bottled brewskie.
That's disgusting. It was beginning to look like some of the students/fans were coming to their senses. But no. Child rape is more important than any football game.
Bravo to John Matko. He showed what real class and integrity looks like.
HardcoreRobot
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DrPizza
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It's amazing how much our culture is so pro-sports that so many fans turn a blind eye to anything immoral (and often illegal) that their sports stars do. I think it was the NYT that had an article on that whole phenomenon, which extends even to the high school level in many areas of the country, where sports players aren't held accountable for their actions.
Look at the case that was talked about a year or so ago about the cheerleader who was thrown off the cheerleading squad because she wouldn't cheer for the basketball player who had raped her. Everyone knew she was raped, but the DA didn't press charges. No one wants to press charges against the star athletes, god forbid.
There is more than enough circumstantial evidence that Paterno knew what was going on. He participated in the cover up (perhaps not quite as actively; nonetheless he WAS part of the coverup) to avoid bringing any harm or scandal to their football program. After all, college isn't about academic learning; at many places, that's secondary to their athletes.
Look at the case that was talked about a year or so ago about the cheerleader who was thrown off the cheerleading squad because she wouldn't cheer for the basketball player who had raped her. Everyone knew she was raped, but the DA didn't press charges. No one wants to press charges against the star athletes, god forbid.
There is more than enough circumstantial evidence that Paterno knew what was going on. He participated in the cover up (perhaps not quite as actively; nonetheless he WAS part of the coverup) to avoid bringing any harm or scandal to their football program. After all, college isn't about academic learning; at many places, that's secondary to their athletes.
DrPizza
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In the end, we're going to find out if Paterno & McQueary did the right thing - they'll still be tried in court - civil court - as they defend themselves against the inevitable lawsuits.
IAteYourMother
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I think part of it is because Paterno has supposedly been the coach that did the right thing, by enforcing good academics and trying to hold his players accountable for the very things that most other athletes get off for. Obviously, his success plays into it, but it's that he was both successful and supposedly a strong moral force.
Phokus
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz1nIHv6P6Q
Noam Chomsky had a lot to say about the role of sports in our society in his book manufacturing consent. "Irrational jingoism" is right.
There's a lot of parallels between what we're seeing here with Penn State fans and the nationalists here who cheered atrocities and illegal wars abroad.
I'm a sports fan myself and i've always been acutely aware of my fellow mouth breathing fans who act like this.
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zinfamous
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which is what makes this so bizarre--Had he made the proper and obvious decision form the start, he would have remained that role model that always did the right thing, that always set the standard, that still kept the reputation of the school.
Up until 1998 (as far as we know), this was only about Sandusky. After that, it became the PSU AD and Admin, because of short-sighted hubris. Because of fear, I suppose, but perhaps something far, far more worse.
That is what is baffling. If it was simply Sandusky at that point, then why dive into the cover-up? Where they just that blind and incompetent, to truly believe that their best bud really wasn't the child rapist that he was?
Or is there something else going on?
Crazy, because it was only 1 weeks-time that turned this initial case of one very bad seed into an institutional cesspool.
SphinxnihpS
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edro
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Do you really think arguing with people on this message board is going to change the opinions of the entire world?
The damage is done. JoPa is forever associated with covering up a pedophile, guilty or not.
Even if JoPa is completely exonerated, his name is forever tarnished.
That's just the way it is when you're a high profile person.
The best way to move on is to look towards next season.
It will take a few years for this to be washed away from thought with any mention of Penn State.
OutHouse
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Miramonti
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"Joe was a little negligent." - Bobby Bowden
I guess he doesn't understand what it means to be a head football coach at a top DI school as much as rchiu does.
Satan is offended (SNL)
Heads start to roll at Second Mile:
Leader of Second Mile children's charity resigns over Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal
If I said the type of person he looks like with that boyish smile in relation to the type of person Sandusky is, I might get sued for defamation.
I guess he doesn't understand what it means to be a head football coach at a top DI school as much as rchiu does.
Satan is offended (SNL)
Heads start to roll at Second Mile:
Leader of Second Mile children's charity resigns over Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal
If I said the type of person he looks like with that boyish smile in relation to the type of person Sandusky is, I might get sued for defamation.
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Jeffg010
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Someone posted in the comment section of that article posted that Raykovitz and his highly-paid wife, Katherine Genovese, live on the same street (in a very exclusive development) as former VP of Finance, Gary Schultz.
This just keeps going on and on.
This just keeps going on and on.
HomerJS
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Damn!
The judge who let Sandusky out on 100K bail was a Second Mile volunteer.
The prosecuter wanted 500K and a ankle bracelet. Is the entire legal system on the take in this case??
Also news article said the view out a window of Sandusky's house was a playground!
The judge who let Sandusky out on 100K bail was a Second Mile volunteer.
The prosecuter wanted 500K and a ankle bracelet. Is the entire legal system on the take in this case??
Also news article said the view out a window of Sandusky's house was a playground!
Drako
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Yeah, he lives next to an Elementary School. Kind of scary for the parents of any kids who have gone there.
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/artic...home-on-bail-but-lives-near-elementary-school
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