Penn State protects child rapist that was former famous D-Coordinator

[chihlidog]

I stand by what I posted. Even though you did not directly have anything to do with the rapes the culture that is PSU Football is still there. The culture is what enabled it. Anyone saying what the NCAA did is basically a nuke that is not even close. They still get play football how is that a nuke?

Nuking the program would have gotten a fresh start for the football program, by nuking the program and restarting it would ensured that everyone involved would make sure something like this would never happen. IMHO a nuke is what would clean that culture.

Punishing a fan, an current student, a local business owner, or other innocents for the actions taken by Penn State is abhorrent. Isnt the economy bad enough? What about, hypothetically, the local pizza shop owner who makes a living selling to game crowds? Do you give a shit about those people?

I agree that JoePa, Sandusky, and many others in the administration were slime and deserve the worst possible punishment. I also understand why people feel the program should be nuked. But you're not thinking about those its hurting, and your insinuation that because another poster here is a fan that somehow he supported the rape of children is digusting.

You're from Pittsburgh - the Steelers culture here is even worse then the PSU culture. Do you blame everyone in our City because Ben is a rapist?? It pisses me off that so many around here still support him even KNOWING what he did, so look around a bit before you hurl what you're hurling.

 

[Zargon]

Some things are more important than money, but apparently institutional cover of pedophilia is less damaging to the Big Ten than whatever loss of revenue entailed by expelling said sport.

and every school redoing EVERY schedule for EVERY sport? Not to mention what it would probably do to hundreds on contracts in place for all sorts media/tv/ETC

Its not as easy as well we kicked them out, lets go about our business now.

it would take months of work for everyone, you would literally be punishing every big ten school for PSU's antics at that point

 

[bignateyk]

ok since its you and you can't remember what you wrote 10 minutes before. I will take it slow for you.

IF you nuke the football program what do you think those students/fans etc are going to do? just stop being fanatical about the school? Or do you think those people are going to find something else to latch on to?

they did something about the culture. about the only thing they could really do. you can't kill, destroy or really change a culture since its not really a thing.

He's probably a Pitt fan. All he really wanted the whole time was the death penalty so that Pitt might actually get some recruits and become relevant again.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Link to 1 Bil in debt? I thought their endowment was 2 billion in the black at least.

The size of their endowment portfolio doesn't tell the whole story. Lots of times endowments are structured so that they can only be applied to very specific scenarios, not just used as discretionary income wherever needed by the organization, and they're also written with agreements to never drop below a certain principal investment value. 2 billion in endowments is meaningless if they only have $50 million in unrestricted funds coming out of that pool (and I'm guessing that a lot of Penn State's endowment has been specifically earmarked for football scholarships and the like, which makes a lot of it completely unusable during the next four years).

On the topic of the punishments... I'm torn. On the one hand, I don't think that punishing the kids is an effective method of retaliation for the actions of the people who actively covered up for Sandusky. On the other hand, the culture of football needs to be addressed and shown that it is unacceptable to put football above the lives of innocent children. But how do you punish a culture? No penalty is going to cause people who have spent 50 years rooting for Penn State to look back and think, "Geez, I guess I've wasted my life." I really hope that criminal charges are brought in to address the real bad guys here; the people who helped cover Sandusky's trail for 12 years at the expense of his victims. Federal prison is a much better punishment than bowl bans.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

How?

At this point they lose income from those games. They lose possible NCAA ranking points towards bowl berths. Those lose TV money.

Do you even understand that NCAA football is a business? PedoState does not exist in a vacuum, every team is financially tied to every other team and you can't just toss out conference members without it impacting every other conference member. If you need to have this explained to you then you have no business being in an NCAA football thread. The Big 10 could not, would not toss out PedoState no matter what. Period.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

and every school redoing EVERY schedule for EVERY sport? Not to mention what it would probably do to hundreds on contracts in place for all sorts media/tv/ETC

Its not as easy as well we kicked them out, lets go about our business now.

it would take months of work for everyone, you would literally be punishing every big ten school for PSU's antics at that point

More like one weekend for one sport. How hard was it to integrate Nebraska? Missouri would've jumped at the chance to join the Big Ten.

In the end it's not about 'punishing' PSU; it's about not being associated with a football program that thinks it is so important, its entire upper echelon administration covers up a pedophile to preserve its image. What happened at PSU is a stain on the entirety of Big Ten football.

 

[bignateyk]

More like one weekend for one sport. How hard was it to integrate Nebraska? Missouri would've jumped at the chance to join the Big Ten.

In the end it's not about 'punishing' PSU; it's about not being associated with a football program that thinks it is so important, its entire upper echelon administration covers up a pedophile to preserve its image. What happened at PSU is a stain on the entirety of Big Ten football.

Except Missouri sucks both athletically (football) and academically. PSU brings in huge $$ for the big 10.

The only team that the Big 10 would consider replacing PSU with is Notre Dame.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

At this point they lose income from those games. They lose possible NCAA ranking points towards bowl berths. Those lose TV money.

Do you even understand that NCAA football is a business? PedoState does not exist in a vacuum, every team is financially tied to every other team and you can't just toss out conference members without it impacting every other conference member. If you need to have this explained to you then you have no business being in an NCAA football thread. The Big 10 could not, would not toss out PedoState no matter what. Period.

I'm sorry, what part of "some things are more important than money" do you not understand?

I have a functional understanding of how NCAA football affects colleges considering that I've been on a Big Ten campus for over a decade, taught football players, filed NCAA compliance reports, solicited donations to the school from football fans, etc.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Except Missouri sucks both athletically (football) and academically. PSU brings in huge $$ for the big 10.

The only team that the Big 10 would consider replacing PSU with is Notre Dame.

Penn State hasn't won a football game in over a decade. As far as academics go, Nebraska isn't an AAU school, either.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Penn State hasn't won a football game in over a decade. As far as academics go, Nebraska isn't an AAU school, either.

What? You know that vacating wins doesn't actually change history, right? Not to mention that you're arguing that a football conference should kick a school out for placing too much importance on football... Don't you see the irony in that? The Big Ten will certainly maintain that they would never be in favor of what happened at Penn State, but they're not complaining about the extra dollars in the door from every school that treats football as the most important thing on campus.

 

[bignateyk]

Penn State hasn't won a football game in over a decade. As far as academics go, Nebraska isn't an AAU school, either.

Sure they have. They just aren't getting credit for them.

The only thing that matters to the B10 conference with respect to football is money. They aren't gonna kick out the golden goose for Missouri.

 

[TheVrolok]

Those of you who are arguing that the postseason bans and scholarship reductions are insufficient, I assure you that they are not. Penn State football's new mascot should be a zombie, because that team is the walking dead for a decade.

.. a zombie lion would be pretty fucking awesome.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

What? You know that vacating wins doesn't actually change history, right?

It is now a part of history that supersedes what preceded it.

Not to mention that you're arguing that a football conference should kick a school out for placing too much importance on football...

The Big Ten isn't a football conference.

Don't you see the irony in that?

There's no irony here at all. I don't think you understand the difference between thinking football is important (which I do) and thinking that it's more important than covering for a child rapist.

The Big Ten will certainly maintain that they would never be in favor of what happened at Penn State, but they're not complaining about the extra dollars in the door from every school that treats football as the most important thing on campus.

Sorry, which other football programs cover up child rape to maintain their image?

 

[Jeffg010]

He's probably a Pitt fan. All he really wanted the whole time was the death penalty so that Pitt might actually get some recruits and become relevant again.

Funny I went Penn state so I have no agenda.

 

[bignateyk]

Funny I went Penn state so I have no agenda.

You mean you're drawing an income thanks to a degree at PedoState? Since everyone who went there had a hand in it, you should think about donating your salary and all your savings to charity out of guilt.

 

[Zargon]

Penn State hasn't won a football game in over a decade. As far as academics go, Nebraska isn't an AAU school, either.

sure they havent NOW, try to have less bullshit reasons MIZZOU is a got denied access to the Big Ten, Nebraska lost its AAU last year, mostly because AAU doesnt like that they fed gives them a ton of $$$ for their GIANT ag grad school

More like one weekend for one sport. How hard was it to integrate Nebraska? Missouri would've jumped at the chance to join the Big Ten.

no, you kick them out, all sports are gone. Volleyball, Baseball, Basketball, Track, Tennis ETC.

Lots of those sports play multiple games on weekends over multiple weekends and have very balanced conference schedules for rankings

the new schedules when nebraska joined came out like 3 months later(and it was done over winter). we are a month away from football season.

In the end it's not about 'punishing' PSU; it's about not being associated with a football program that thinks it is so important, its entire upper echelon administration covers up a pedophile to preserve its image. What happened at PSU is a stain on the entirety of Big Ten football.

maybe to kneejerkers and the over sensitive. if you cant separate big ten football from something that happened at penn state, you might be the one with the problem.

 

[Hugo Drax]

No wonder College degrees keep rising rapidly. All the expense of Football and sports has to be paid by the schleps who go there to get a job permit.

 

[lupi]

Retarded punishment particularly when a body is issuing punishment for its rules not being broken.

 

[slsmnaz]

The only thing that matters to the B10 conference with respect to football is money. They aren't gonna kick out the golden goose for Missouri.

Mizzou wouldn't go anyway.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

There's no irony here at all. I don't think you understand the difference between thinking football is important (which I do) and thinking that it's more important than covering for a child rapist.

I'm sorry, did I give you the impression that I think football is more important than child rape? I think that it's hypocritical for organizations like Penn State, the Big Ten and the NCAA, which have collectively made billions from football, to act shocked, SHOCKED, that someone would cover up a horrific atrocity to keep that gravy train rolling. They may have had nothing to do with Sandusky being a child molestor, but they all contributed to fostering an environment where it was seen as a better move economically to hide his actions than expose the sinister acts he was committing. Football's a business for these people, and it causes them to do some seriously repugnant shit.

 

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[waggy]

sure they havent NOW, try to have less bullshit reasons MIZZOU is a got denied access to the Big Ten, Nebraska lost its AAU last year, mostly because AAU doesnt like that they fed gives them a ton of $$$ for their GIANT ag grad school


no, you kick them out, all sports are gone. Volleyball, Baseball, Basketball, Track, Tennis ETC.

Lots of those sports play multiple games on weekends over multiple weekends and have very balanced conference schedules for rankings

the new schedules when nebraska joined came out like 3 months later(and it was done over winter). we are a month away from football season.





maybe to kneejerkers and the over sensitive. if you cant separate big ten football from something that happened at penn state, you might be the one with the problem.

duh.

i didn't think that kicking PSU out of big10 would effect more then football. that would really fuck up the lives of hundreds of other kids who have nothing to do with football.

 

[zinfamous]

This. I'm really surprised it got to this point. It's one thing to punish those responsible, but now they are basically going after the school monetarily and ruining the reputation of Penn State in general.

Too late. That is on Paterno's head.

 

[TheVrolok]

Penn State hasn't won a football game in over a decade. As far as academics go, Nebraska isn't an AAU school, either.

I was actually pretty annoyed with that when Nebraska was invited to join. Although they did just lose it.

 

[bignateyk]

Mizzou wouldn't go anyway.

Yeah right. Mizzou must be the baby in these commercials: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME5NJj_iEbw :biggrin: