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Originally posted by: bradruth
This topic has been covered here before, and relatively recently to boot. We definitely should be utilizing and researching renewable energy sources much more than we are right now, but I don't think the situation is as dire as they make it out to be.
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
This topic has been covered here before, and relatively recently to boot. We definitely should be utilizing and researching renewable energy sources much more than we are right now, but I don't think the situation is as dire as they make it out to be.
We won't make electric cars pratical until we run out of oil, but by then it will be too late. Instead we will have wars over it, spend billions of dollars on it, and many will die over it, ..instead of replacing it.
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
This topic has been covered here before, and relatively recently to boot. We definitely should be utilizing and researching renewable energy sources much more than we are right now, but I don't think the situation is as dire as they make it out to be.
We won't make electric cars pratical until we run out of oil, but by then it will be too late. Instead we will have wars over it, spend billions of dollars on it, and many will die over it, ..instead of replacing it.
It's not necessary to have fully electric cars right now, but we should definitely have more hybrid cars. You have to take baby steps before you can run with it.
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
This topic has been covered here before, and relatively recently to boot. We definitely should be utilizing and researching renewable energy sources much more than we are right now, but I don't think the situation is as dire as they make it out to be.
We won't make electric cars pratical until we run out of oil, but by then it will be too late. Instead we will have wars over it, spend billions of dollars on it, and many will die over it, ..instead of replacing it.
It's not necessary to have fully electric cars right now, but we should definitely have more hybrid cars. You have to take baby steps before you can run with it.
I don't see us taking an initiative to do such things. Things are looking up, but large automotive companies do not want to make drastic changes to their design, and the people do not want to see an end to their huge gas guzzling SUV's and V8 engines.
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
This topic has been covered here before, and relatively recently to boot. We definitely should be utilizing and researching renewable energy sources much more than we are right now, but I don't think the situation is as dire as they make it out to be.
We won't make electric cars pratical until we run out of oil, but by then it will be too late. Instead we will have wars over it, spend billions of dollars on it, and many will die over it, ..instead of replacing it.
It's not necessary to have fully electric cars right now, but we should definitely have more hybrid cars. You have to take baby steps before you can run with it.
I don't see us taking an initiative to do such things. Things are looking up, but large automotive companies do not want to make drastic changes to their design, and the people do not want to see an end to their huge gas guzzling SUV's and V8 engines.
Sadly, you're right. SUVs and other gas-guzzling vehicles are way too prevalant (especially in urban areas). What the hell does a soccer mom need a 4-wheel drive vehicle with a V8 for when they live in a large city? At least around my area, pickups and the like are warranted due to the weather. When gas prices start rising because of a legit shortage, then we'll probably end up moving toward hybrids and the like. I'm saying what SHOULD be done, not what will be done.
Originally posted by: SaulbadguyFunny how the people with the V8 engines are the first ones to complain and whine about high gas prices.
Coal accounts for 24% of current global energy supply. As a replacement for oil, it is unsuitable due to the fact that it is 50% to 200% heavier than oil per energy unit. Substituting coal for oil would require expansion of coal mining, leading to land ruin and increase in greenhouse gas emissions. In contrast to oil and gas fuels, fine-tuning the rate at which coal burns is difficult. It is therefore used in power stations to make electricity, wasting half of its energy content.
Coal mining operations run on oil fuels as do coal-mining machinery and transportation. Pollution is also a major problem. A single coal-fired station can produce a million tons of solid waste each year. Burning coal in homes pollutes air with acrid smog containing acid gases and particles. Large pollution & environmental problems: (Smog, greenhouse gases, and acid rain). Finally, liquid fuels from coal are very inefficient, and huge amounts of water required."
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
Originally posted by: Saulbadguy
Originally posted by: bradruth
This topic has been covered here before, and relatively recently to boot. We definitely should be utilizing and researching renewable energy sources much more than we are right now, but I don't think the situation is as dire as they make it out to be.
We won't make electric cars pratical until we run out of oil, but by then it will be too late. Instead we will have wars over it, spend billions of dollars on it, and many will die over it, ..instead of replacing it.
It's not necessary to have fully electric cars right now, but we should definitely have more hybrid cars. You have to take baby steps before you can run with it.
I don't see us taking an initiative to do such things. Things are looking up, but large automotive companies do not want to make drastic changes to their design, and the people do not want to see an end to their huge gas guzzling SUV's and V8 engines.
Sadly, you're right. SUVs and other gas-guzzling vehicles are way too prevalant (especially in urban areas). What the hell does a soccer mom need a 4-wheel drive vehicle with a V8 for when they live in a large city? At least around my area, pickups and the like are warranted due to the weather. When gas prices start rising because of a legit shortage, then we'll probably end up moving toward hybrids and the like. I'm saying what SHOULD be done, not what will be done.
Funny how the people with the V8 engines are the first ones to complain and whine about high gas prices.
Originally posted by: redly1
there needs to be some big breakthrough in energy storage (i.e. batteries) before "charge and go" electric cars for the masses will be feasable.
via hydro, wind, nuclear or solar sources?Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Originally posted by: redly1
there needs to be some big breakthrough in energy storage (i.e. batteries) before "charge and go" electric cars for the masses will be feasable.
So where do you propose that the electricity to charge those batteries come from?
Originally posted by: Mallow
via hydro, wind, nuclear or solar sources?Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Originally posted by: redly1
there needs to be some big breakthrough in energy storage (i.e. batteries) before "charge and go" electric cars for the masses will be feasable.
So where do you propose that the electricity to charge those batteries come from?
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Don't worry, peak oil will affect us last, since we can just attack the middle east for oil!