[PCPER] NVidia G-sync

[imaheadcase]

Licensing what? I don't think AMD will sell G-sync modules. If AMD makes their drivers so their cards work with G-sync I can't see anything to license. I don't think you can license a compatibility with a certain hardware.

For working with certain devices you can. The reason companies sue others if based on this very thing. What if AMD released a driver to take advantage over something only for nvidia cards to use on there? You can bet nvidia would be raking in the money from lawsuits.

Remember KillerNic cards for networking? Motherboard manufacturers had to license to use that tech, when other companies could just essentially just copy software to own nic if they wanted.

 

[3DVagabond]

Licensing what? I don't think AMD will sell G-sync modules. If AMD makes their drivers so their cards work with G-sync I can't see anything to license. I don't think you can license a compatibility with a certain hardware.

For working with certain devices you can. The reason companies sue others if based on this very thing. What if AMD released a driver to take advantage over something only for nvidia cards to use on there? You can bet nvidia would be raking in the money from lawsuits.

Remember KillerNic cards for networking? Motherboard manufacturers had to license to use that tech, when other companies could just essentially just copy software to own nic if they wanted.

I actually think Erenhardt is right. It's like Apple and making things compatible with iphones/ipods, etc... Where people ran into problems is that Apple patented the physical port. Making it electrically compatible wasn't infringing on their IP. They just couldn't use the docking port.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Hopefully they won't be able to get the manufacturing costs down and the monitors are prohibitively expensive, uptake is slow and low thus forcing nVidia to open this up :biggrin:

If this is limited to NV cards this have no chance in hell to succeed. Monitors and panels are where cutthroat cost cutting is, even if it was an open standard manufacturers would want to think twice putting in something that maybe 1% would care about.

 

[Keysplayr]

Hopefully they won't be able to get the manufacturing costs down and the monitors are prohibitively expensive, uptake is slow and low thus forcing nVidia to open this up :biggrin:

Or, you can just buy an Nvidia supported (Kepler 650TiBoost + ) card and support progress instead of wishing for it to fail. G-Sync is one of the coolest things to happen to gaming in a long time. Long overdue also.

 

[Keysplayr]

If this is limited to NV cards this have no chance in hell to succeed. Monitors and panels are where cutthroat cost cutting is, even if it was an open standard manufacturers would want to think twice putting in something that maybe 1% would care about.

How do you figure? There will still be regular monitors to purchase for AMD and Intel users. Those who want this technology, and by "those" I mean "everyone", cannot deny the value of this technology.

I mean, I can't picture anyone in the world who games, to observe this technology and say, "I don't want that." It just isn't happening with any sort of believable argument. None that I can think of. The only unacceptable reason is a resistance to switch from AMD to Nvidia to have the tech. And that's not really an actual reason.

 

[Leadbox]

Or, you can just buy an Nvidia supported (Kepler 650TiBoost + ) card and support progress instead of wishing for it to fail. G-Sync is one of the coolest things to happen to gaming in a long time. Long overdue also.

Nah! I agree it's a great bit of tech but I'm 100% opposed to how nvidia are going about it putting it out
I also hope that those monitor manufactures who are not partnered with nvidia on this, refused on principle and are exploring an open VESA standard implementation of something similar

 

[StrangerGuy]

How do you figure? There will still be regular monitors to purchase for AMD and Intel users. Those who want this technology, and by "those" I mean "everyone", cannot deny the value of this technology.

I mean, I can't picture anyone in the world who games, to observe this technology and say, "I don't want that." It just isn't happening with any sort of believable argument. None that I can think of. The only unacceptable reason is a resistance to switch from AMD to Nvidia to have the tech. And that's not really an actual reason.

That is such a lame argument because nobody is getting G-sync for free or next to free either. The target market that cares about vsync + triple buffering input lag is miniscule and everybody else with <60 fps issues are much better off spending the same money on a better GPU.

 

[Teizo]

Or, you can just buy an Nvidia supported (Kepler 650TiBoost + ) card and support progress instead of wishing for it to fail. G-Sync is one of the coolest things to happen to gaming in a long time. Long overdue also.

God forbid AMD come out with a proprietary API that only supports CGN and make people buy AMD cards to be able to use it.

Nah! I agree it's a great bit of tech but I'm 100% opposed to how nvidia are going about it putting it out
I also hope that those monitor manufactures who are not partnered with nvidia on this, refused on principle and are exploring an open VESA standard implementation of something similar

Lol...

 

[Creig]

Nah! I agree it's a great bit of tech but I'm 100% opposed to how nvidia are going about it putting it out
I also hope that those monitor manufactures who are not partnered with nvidia on this, refused on principle and are exploring an open VESA standard implementation of something similar

Yup. An open VESA standard is the way to go about it. And I'm sure the monitor manufacturers would be way more interested in the technology if it would work with ALL video cards produced instead of those from just one company.

It's hard enough to to convince an entire industry to adopt a new technology without it being restricted to just a percentage of their possible consumer base. Look at DisplayPort. The first version, 1.0, was approved by VESA on May 3, 2006. Version 1.1a was approved on April 2, 2007http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#cite_note-4 followed by the current standard 1.2 on December 22, 2009. We are coming to the end of 2013 and DP equipped monitors are still not what I would consider to be widespread on new models when compared to DSub/HDMI/DVI even though DP is a royalty-free standard.

No, I really don't see G-Sync becoming more than a niche product for a few manufacturers unless it's opened up to work on all video cards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#cite_note-5

 

[Creig]

God forbid AMD come out with a proprietary API that only supports CGN and make people buy AMD cards to be able to use it.

Apples

oranges

 

[Teizo]

Apples

oranges

No, exact same. The argument people are using against it is stupid. Proprietary is proprietary.

Fools gonna fool.

 

[96Firebird]

Apples

oranges

I don't think you know what this means...

 

[StrangerGuy]

No, exact same. The argument people are using against it is stupid. Proprietary is proprietary.

Fools gonna fool.

Any monitor + proprietary API vs proprietary monitor + proprietary GPU

Ermmm...Yeah.

 

[Teizo]

Any monitor + proprietary API vs proprietary monitor + proprietary GPU

Ermmm...Yeah.

Is that proprietary API going to work with any GPU?

Uhmm...no. Hell, not every AMD card has CGN architecture either lol...so some AMD 'fans' will have to buy a new AMD card.

/Try harder

 

[96Firebird]

Any monitor + proprietary API vs proprietary monitor + proprietary GPU

Ermmm...Yeah.

Proprietary API only works on a few games vs G-sync works on any game.

See, I can twist it too!

 

[StrangerGuy]

Is that proprietary API going to work with any GPU?

Uhmm...no

/Try harder

Still better than having TWO proprietary parts. No? Especially when the AMD one is already in place in the form of GCN, for free.

 

[Teizo]

Proprietary API only works on a few games vs G-sync works on any game.

See, I can twist it too!

It's like these people live in an alternate universe or something.

 

[Teizo]

Still better than having TWO proprietary parts. No? Especially when the AMD one is already in place in the form of GCN, for free.

So, if I have an older AMD card that doesn't have CGN...what am I going to do?

What if I already have a Kepler based Nvidia card and am in the market for a new monitor? Oh, I get G-Sync capability for free!

You guys really need to just stop. You sound like brain dead zombie idiots.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

I guess in the proprietary war it will come down to who offers the most complete tech with the biggest benefit.

When I look at Mantle I see something that is good for the low and mid-range people and nearly meaningless to the unlocked intel and hex core users. I also see a limited use case, with only EA who is the devil picking it up so far the scale and scope of its effect is currently very limited.

On the other hand, something like G-Sync seems to work with any game, and will work great for all branches of users from those who need more performance to those who already bought more performance.

I already pull 80-100 fps in BF4, so I can see why I have some personal bias in this setup towards G-Sync, performance isn't something I lack, having more of it isn't something I need. However more for less has it's own benefits, but what G-Sync is offering trumps everything (personally).

 

[Creig]

No, exact same. The argument people are using against it is stupid. Proprietary is proprietary.

Fools gonna fool.

No, not the same. Mantle relies on low-level calls to the GPU in order to function. Low-level APIs are specific to the hardware they're designed for. It's impossible for Mantle to work on anything but AMD hardware. It won't even function on older AMD cards because they're non-GCN.

From what has been reported, G-sync has the capability of working on any video card. But it sounds as if Nvidia is going to go for another artificial lockout aka PhysX.

HUGE difference.

 

[Creig]

I don't think you know what this means...

I'm pretty sure I do. Apples 'not equal' oranges. What do you think it means?

 

[cmdrdredd]

I guess in the proprietary war it will come down to who offers the most complete tech with the biggest benefit.

When I look at Mantle I see something that is good for the low and mid-range people and nearly meaningless to the unlocked intel and hex core users. I also see a limited use case, with only EA who is the devil picking it up so far the scale and scope of its effect is currently very limited.

On the other hand, something like G-Sync seems to work with any game, and will work great for all branches of users from those who need more performance to those who already bought more performance.

I already pull 80-100 fps in BF4, so I can see why I have some personal bias in this setup towards G-Sync, performance isn't something I lack, having more of it isn't something I need. However more for less has it's own benefits, but what G-Sync is offering trumps everything (personally).

I agree here. Based on what is known, g-sync looks to benefit more situations. Unfortunately it probably won't work with my monitor and I am not willing to purchase a new one immediately. That's just my situation currently.

 

[krumme]

Nah! I agree it's a great bit of tech but I'm 100% opposed to how nvidia are going about it putting it out
I also hope that those monitor manufactures who are not partnered with nvidia on this, refused on principle and are exploring an open VESA standard implementation of something similar

Isnt amd open VESA btw? Lol

 

[Creig]

On the other hand, something like G-Sync seems to work with any game, and will work great for all branches of users from those who need more performance to those who already bought more performance.

All branches of users meaning only Nvidia customers. And of those, only the ones who own a Kepler or newer card (GTX660 and above). Not exactly a majority of the total available market.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

There is no denying what this is... It is just another feature from Nvidia to entice people from AMD and older generations of Nvidia cards to upgrade.

Nvidia is a business same as AMD, the goal is the make money and to drive PC gaming forward which likewise has the effect of making people on older cards upgrade.