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PCP&C Turbo-Cool 510 vs Antec NeoPower 480

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EvilRage

Senior member
Here's the thing. Both PSUs have something I like that the other doesn't have. However, I'm hoping to eliminate one of them with some help from you guys. I'll list the system specs it's going to be going in, and hopefully we can figure out which of these PSUs would be best for that rig.

Antec Pros: Modular, $100 cheaper than Turbo-Cool 510
Antec Cons: Possibly not enough power for the rig, cables not wrapped

Turbo-Cool Pros: 38 amps on the 12v lead, which should be enough power for some time
Turbo-Cool Cons: Price, No modular cables, and loud

That's just what I've learned of. Here's the proposed system stats:

Mobo: Asus A8N-SLI
CPU: AMD Socket 939 Athlon 64 3500+ (Either FX-55 or dual-core chip to be purchased later)
Memory: 2X Corsair XMS 1GB DIMM (Initially 1GB stick installed, 2nd stick purchased later)
Video: 2X XFX Geforce 6800 GT (Initially 1 card installed, 2nd card purchased later)
Optical 1: (Unsure, probably a reliable brand's 16x DVD-ROM)
Optical 2: Sony DRU-700A Dual Layer DVD+-RW Writer (Or generic CD-RW, not sure yet)
HD 1: Western Digital Raptor WD740GD
HD 2: (Unsure, maybe a Seagate 160GB Sata? or one of the ones with a 16mb buffer? dunno.)
HD 3 (?): (Unsure, large capacity SATA drive divided into two partitions, with RAID 1 enabled for each of the first two drives)
Case: Silverstone TJ03 "Nimiz"
Sound: Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
Floppy: (Unsure, generic black floppy drive, probably from fry's)

All that being said, here's my biggest concern:

I took a look at a page from the A8N's manual that had recommended PSU settings. It appears the system I'm decribing falls somewhere between Normal load and Heavy load, with +12v current recommended between 20a and 25 a, and wattage between 400w and 500w. It appears that the specs on the Turbo-Cool meet that easily. However, I'm kinda hoping the Antec can do it, but after looking at the specs, it shows 18a on 12v1, and 15a on 12v2. Do you add them together if you're only using one, or can i combine them, or... what? Help?

Link to page: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/m...I_DELUXE_POWER_RQs.gif
 
Bought a PCP&C 2 weeks ago. Its a tank. I like the way they wrap their wires and has a 5 yr guarantee. CPU fan makes more noise that the ps. They had a special of the 510 at the time (save $10) but i went with the deluxe (is sli ready by simply removing the adapter on mb plugin) others may have it, i am not sure. My way of thinking is that the PS is the heart of your system, I didn't want a lack of performance to be a problem, won't be an issue with a high performance PSU. Another tank would be the OCZ 520, it carries a 5 year warranty also. Don't think you could go wrong with either 3, antec, OCZ, or PCP&C. Just depends on how much coin your willing to invest.
 
Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
I'd get the PCP&C, it is more future proof.
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I beg to differ pal. The Neopower is more future proof as it natively has a 24 pin mobo connector while the PCP&C uses a 20 pin one.
 
Dude they are not even comparable. OCZ powerstream is better than Antec and the OCZ rep at xtreme said OCZ can't compare the PCP&C. It's not meant to. What do you think Alienware uses for their SLI setups with 2 6800 Ultras? that's right, PC Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe.

PCP&C's line regulation and ripple stay exactly to spec under full load.
The reason why PCP&C is a expensive is because of the high end components inside. Here it is compared to enermax.
http://www.fastlanehw.com/reviews.php?i=66&page=3
You pay for the best and receive the best which is 1% Line Reg and 1% Ripple which you won't find in sub $200 PSU's. And you definity don't get with antec.


In addition I don't like 2 x 12 with modern systems because the whole idea was isolation of drives and fans from IC equipment. with modern Videocards which require a molex that premise is defeated since you have to run both rails to the IC's . Remeber one 12 is the 20 pin and 4 pin connector that goes in board, the other 12V rail is all the molex's.
Neither rail has enough power.

You want a real overclcokers PSU get the PCPC or this not some antec junk:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-714&depa=1



Here check out this PSU calculator, it's the best on the net and decide on requirements:
http://takaman.jp/D/?M=PbbG5JB...XHwXAxHAMU&english

 
1% line regulation and ripple, nice! My dual rail Enermax is more like .5%.

Dual rails are here to stay and are being integrated into the ATX form factor to bring stability to systems that have power hungry motherboards and video cards.

A single 12V rail of 13 amps or even less is more than enough to power any single CPU motherboard ...same goes for the rest of the system fans, DVD-RW, HDDs and Video card ..13 amps will run just about any combination.


12V1 >> motherboard , ram , cards , CPU, system fans.

12V2>> video cards , HDDs, fans and CD/DVD drives etc.

This makes so much sence that its not even funny, granted if you running a Radeon 7000 and a single HDD then it might not make as much sence but if your running a 6800 GT and several HDDs its nice to know those have their own power tap and will not be drawing off the mainboards power.


My dual rail Enermax Coolergiant has a 16A 12V1 and a 15A 12V2 ....


12V1 >> MSI K8N Neo2 Platnium , 1gb PC3200, Athlon 3200+ OCed , CPU fan and 1 system fan.

12V2 >> eVGA 6800GT , 1 Seagate 120gb HDD, DVD-RW, 2 case fans.

Doing the math, both rails are barely being tapped much less taxed heavily and both would probably have equal loads if I added another HDD.


BTW the Athlon uses ~35-40 watts of power...16A is way overkill.

The only people that might benefit from a single rail are those that are running 10 HDDs or something but then again they have quad rail server PSUs for stuff like that.



16A not enough to the mainboard bhwahahahahahaha , its WAY WAY WAY WAY OVERKILL!


BTW I will be providing proof shortly.







 
Originally posted by: BentValve
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BTW the Athlon uses ~35-40 watts of power...16A is way overkill.
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from all the materials i've read the Athlon64 alone actually uses 88w of power..
http://www.jscustompcs.com/power_supply/
http://takaman.jp/D/?M=PbbG5JB...XHwXAxHAMU&english

the whole idea of SEPARATE 12v rails, seems to conflict..

if the are SEPARATE and that's what makes them GOOD, how can they use power from the other rail 'when it's needed'.. that would make them SHARED, and thus what's the advantage over a higher rated single +12v rail.

it seems to me that one 33a rail would make more sense then two 'separate' 15a rails

if you are indeed incorrect in saying that each rail can use power from the other, then your cpu would be extremely limited by a dual +12v rail power supply, as it only gives the cpu 15a to work with.

if you are correct, then the logic behind the argument makes no sense, why say there are two SEPARATE +12v rails, when they are really 2 SHARED.. and why would they be any better then a single higher rated +12v rail..

on the argument of PCP&P, what does it matter how clean the rails are, if you can't hear yourself think when this power supply is ON.. You have to take into consideration ALL the factors, not just one..

Enermax makes the best power supplies OVERALL based on Noise, Quality, Reliability, Rail Ratings, Rail Consistency, connections, AirFlow, design etc.

Antec is not even in the same league with either PCP&P, Enermax or OCZ..
They make budget to mid range power supplies, that generally can't hold a grain of salt to the 3 brands above.
 
No they are not shared, the are 100% seperate...the sales guy I spoke to at Enermax awhile back was wrong.

An exclusive 16 amp rails goes to the 24/20 pin and 4 pin ......I am wrong on the CPU power, sorry....that was an idle spec for the socket 754s I belive..I am sure the Winchester use even less power.

192 watts is more than enough...we could talk about it all day but the proof is in the pudding, my mobo is OCed to 255fsb , CPU @ 2550mhz and it runs anything I throw at it...its Prime 95 stable as well.

My 6800GT is the bulk load on my other 12V rail, it uses about 65 watts under load and OCed according to Xbit labs.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articl...ati-vs-nv-power_3.html


 
Oh and stop using those bull$hit power consumption calculators , none of them are correct...go buy yourself a low amps claming amp probe and youll see that PCs take alot less power than you probably think.

 
Plus the newest V2 Coolergiants and Noisetakers are 80% + efficient , 10% more than the standard line from Enermax AND these are the only 2 series that carry a 3 year warranty ..the rest of their home PSUs carry a 1 year warranty.

600 watt x 70% efficient = 420 watts

500 watts x 80% efficient = 400 watts


🙂

 
Originally posted by: BentValve
600 watt x 70% efficient = 420 watts

500 watts x 80% efficient = 400 watts
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your somewhat confused about what efficency means, it this context...

efficency is the power being drawn by the power supply in relation to the power being output.. ie if the power supply draws 300w from the outlet, and outputs 280w, then it's being 80% efficient (there is always some loss due to overhead, circuits, heatsinks, etc.. higher efficiency is what effects your POWER BILL, if your power supply isn't very efficent, it draws way more then it outputs, and is thus ïnefficent 😉
this is where ACTIVE PFC would make a large difference, as it closely monitors this, and makes adjustments to ensure it's as close to 100% as possible..

if you want a more details see http://www.silentpcreview.com/article205-page3.html
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article148-page1.html
 
Originally posted by: Zebo
Dude they are not even comparable. OCZ powerstream is better than Antec and the OCZ rep at xtreme said OCZ can't compare the PCP&C. It's not meant to. What do you think Alienware uses for their SLI setups with 2 6800 Ultras? that's right, PC Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe.

PCP&C's line regulation and ripple stay exactly to spec under full load.
The reason why PCP&C is a expensive is because of the high end components inside. Here it is compared to enermax.
http://www.fastlanehw.com/reviews.php?i=66&page=3
You pay for the best and receive the best which is 1% Line Reg and 1% Ripple which you won't find in sub $200 PSU's. And you definity don't get with antec.


In addition I don't like 2 x 12 with modern systems because the whole idea was isolation of drives and fans from IC equipment. with modern Videocards which require a molex that premise is defeated since you have to run both rails to the IC's . Remeber one 12 is the 20 pin and 4 pin connector that goes in board, the other 12V rail is all the molex's.
Neither rail has enough power.

You want a real overclcokers PSU get the PCPC or this not some antec junk:
http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-103-714&depa=1



Here check out this PSU calculator, it's the best on the net and decide on requirements:
http://takaman.jp/D/?M=PbbG5JB...XHwXAxHAMU&english
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PC Power and Cooling uses Fortron and Zippy parts. So yes they do use really high end stuff.
OR you can just buy the fortron and zippy/emacs psus for about 85% the cost.


 
PCP&C Will install a silencer fan for about $10-15, and it's barely audible. I had a 475S2 supply and it was fantastic. 🙂
 
I think what I'm gonna do is pay an extra $10 to get the PCP&C 510 SLI, for more future-proofness, and think about paying another extra $10 to get a silencer fan installed, assuming it moves the same or more air. I figure when I'm spending about 2K on a system, and another K or so on the same system within the year, I might as well spend an extra $20 on the power supply. Opinions?
 
If I had known about these power supplies I'd have gotten this rather than my Antec NeoPower.

These power supplies are made for the high end ethusiant crowd, we want the best performence reguardless of cost.
 
Originally posted by: Atministrator
Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
I'd get the PCP&C, it is more future proof.
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I beg to differ pal. The Neopower is more future proof as it natively has a 24 pin mobo connector while the PCP&C uses a 20 pin one.
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I didn't mean better by connectors. I meant it had more watts and amps for future power hungry CPUs and video cards.
 
Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
Originally posted by: Atministrator
Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
I'd get the PCP&C, it is more future proof.
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I beg to differ pal. The Neopower is more future proof as it natively has a 24 pin mobo connector while the PCP&C uses a 20 pin one.
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I didn't mean better by connectors. I meant it had more watts and amps for future power hungry CPUs and video cards.
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I'd be suprised if they didn't have a ATX 3.0 model.
 
Originally posted by: Atministrator
Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
I'd get the PCP&C, it is more future proof.
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I beg to differ pal. The Neopower is more future proof as it natively has a 24 pin mobo connector while the PCP&C uses a 20 pin one.
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Negative!
When a new mother board comes out, you have to buy new cables for antec's neo. PC Power and Cooling will upgrade your old PSU (their brand mind you) wire Harness for a few dollars with new cables, wires and connections (sata power version 2011?). Pc Power Wins. The neo Gimmick is a trade off, they use smaller capicitors and components in order to fit those plug/socket unit on the front. Quality wins over Novilty. Pc Power and Cooling Wins.
 
Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: Atministrator
Originally posted by: ssvegeta1010
I'd get the PCP&C, it is more future proof.
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I beg to differ pal. The Neopower is more future proof as it natively has a 24 pin mobo connector while the PCP&C uses a 20 pin one.
Click to expand...

Negative!
When a new mother board comes out, you have to buy new cables for antec's neo. PC Power and Cooling will upgrade your old PSU (their brand mind you) wire Harness for a few dollars with new cables, wires and connections (sata power version 2011?). Pc Power Wins. The neo Gimmick is a trade off, they use smaller capicitors and components in order to fit those plug/socket unit on the front. Quality wins over Novilty. Pc Power and Cooling Wins.
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Prove it, not only show me a picture that they are small. Prove to me because they small it lowers the quality of my electrical signal.
 
Antec NeoPower is not the best PSU out there but it is definately not junk. For $100 you get a good looking (you won't really see it unless you use a clear case) and quiet (a little warm under load though) power supply that gives up 33a @ +12v. And the cable managment system surely is neat if you have a window. If you don't want to pay premium prices, the Antec is a fairly good choice.
 
Originally posted by: DrCool Antec is not even in the same league with either PCP&P, Enermax or OCZ..
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What the hell are you talking about?
For starters OCZ make sh!t PSU's, I wouldn't even put one of them in my old athlon 1.2.
Enermax make good PSU's but they're in no way better than Antec.
The only manufacturer you listed that might make better PSU's than Antec is PCP&C, and I have yet to see evidence of that, but have heard good things about them.

Originally posted by: DrCool They make budget to mid range power supplies, that generally can't hold a grain of salt to the 3 brands above.
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I dunno where the hell you got that from, there isn't one comparison I've seen where Antec's PSU's haven't come out on top, and that's comparing them to both PSU's from Enermax and OCZ.

PCP&C/Antec > Enermax > OCZ
 
And you base your assumptions on what, exactly?

On Antec: Antec PSUs are good. They're not the best, and you can get the same for less if you buy a CWT PSU (Antecs are sourced from Channel Well).

On Enermax: Overpriced.

On OCZ: Like the vast majority of PSU companies, OCZ don't make PSUs. They sell them. OCZ's PowerStream line is sold under the Tagan name in Europe and the E-Power/Tagan name in the United States. They are fairly high-quality PSUs, something you would probably know had you done research on this subject.

On PCP&C: Overpriced. Nice components, though.
 
Originally posted by: 0010010110
Originally posted by: DrCool They make budget to mid range power supplies, that generally can't hold a grain of salt to the 3 brands above.
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I dunno where the hell you got that from, there isn't one comparison I've seen where Antec's PSU's haven't come out on top, and that's comparing them to both PSU's from Enermax and OCZ.

PCP&C/Antec > Enermax > OCZ
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