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PCP&C Turbo-Cool 510 vs Antec NeoPower 480

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Originally posted by: 0010010110
Maybe I put PCP&P in the wrong position. :S
http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=355573
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Or maybe you didn't. It's probably a very small # of PCP&C PSU's that fail/die. 😉

e.g. you may go around various forums and read reports of Antecs dying more so than another popular brand & say that Antec is worse than said popular brand. If OTOH there are more Antec PSU users than there are of users of that other popular brand & PSU failure rates for both brands are equal. That could explain why one PSU manufacturer would have more reports of failure than another.
 
Originally posted by: svi On OCZ: Like the vast majority of PSU companies, OCZ don't make PSUs. They sell them. OCZ's PowerStream line is sold under the Tagan name in Europe and the E-Power/Tagan name in the United States. They are fairly high-quality PSUs, something you would probably know had you done research on this subject.
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I know all companies have components that fail once in a while, but I've heard of so many OCZ components that have failed, their thermal grease which contained no silver but claimed to contain it, and of course the first lot of 600w PSU's which fried a whole lot of computers. (and only 50% of the people that happened to were compensated for their loses)

They do sell some good products because they ask OEM's to build things to their specs. However, because they don't make it there are those times when bad stuff happens to slip past them. I'm sure they test most things, but, you know stuff is getting past their testers. So you will always here these stories with OCZ and memory issues, thermal paste issues, power supplies and so on.
 
Originally posted by: svi
On Enermax: Overpriced.
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Perhaps there are exceptions. I recently bought a 485W ATX 12V 2.0 Noisetaker for $85 AR + $5 shipping ($10 rebate). Anyways for argument sake I'll exclude the rebate since it's expired which now comes out to about $100-$104* or so shipped & compare it against Fortron's 500W Blue Storm*.

* cheapest shipping


Enermax = $95 + $9 shipping (PA to CA e.g.) = $104
Fortron = $89 + $7 shipping = $96


Fortron, known for being a good quality, less known, cheaper priced, PSU brand is about a few dollars less than the Enermax.

So in that situation, Enermax doesn't come out as overpriced, unless a few bucks or the Blue Storm itself is perceived as overpriced.
 
Originally posted by: 0010010110
It also proves that Antec's PSU's are comparable to those made by OCZ and Enermax.
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I should hope so. They're pretty much priced competitively to one another.
 
their thermal grease which contained no silver but claimed to contain it
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You forgot OCZ remarking & selling PC2100 RAM as PC2700 [or was it PC2700 sold as PC3200?] a couple or so years ago.


and of course the first lot of 600w PSU's which fried a whole lot of computers. (and only 50% of the people that happened to were compensated for their loses)
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Never heard that one. Got a source?

 
Originally posted by: 0010010110
http://www.bleedinedge.com/for...&p=46865#post46865
One lost his CD Drive, DVD Drive and 6800 Ultra, and the other's system wont start anymore.

That's only 2 of them though, you'd have to google to find others.
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Apparently they've come out with a new revision, and that was only the 600W model.

I really like my PowerStream 520. PCP&C is nice, but expensive. I find it laughable they want another 10 bucks on top of their price to install a quiet fan, but nice PSUs regardless.

All depends on your budget, really.

 
I don't think PC&C are not overpriced. Because you get what you pay for. The highest quality compents avialible for desktop PSU's so by defintion its not overpriced. The ultra-x now those are overprice, because you get far less than what you pay for, because all that flash doesn't add up to the price you pay, given that its innards are what they are.
 
Originally posted by: remagavon
PCP&C Will install a silencer fan for about $10-15, and it's barely audible. I had a 475S2 supply and it was fantastic. 🙂
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You can install your own 80mm fan of choice (I used 14dba SilenX) but as you know this voids their 5 yr warranty. The 510's are cool though in that the fan in the psu is not soddered to the rest of the wiring like MOST psu's. There is a two-pin connector for the fan so I say "chunk" that loud Nidec and put a pannie/nexus/or Silenx in there. And YES, I think pcp&c is the way to go for a psu.
 
I have owned Antec and Enermax pretty much ever since I became aware of how important the role of the power supply was. One thing I can say from my experience is that neither gave me any problems EVER. I have an old Enermax 365W, and 2 flavors of the Antec 430 Truepower series one with and one before the SATA power cables.

I only became confused about choosing one once I decided I wanted to go with SLI. So I am still reading all of your opinions on this forum but still leaning towards Antec. The PCP&C seems to be a unanimous winner but $200+ is a lot for a PS (for my budget anyhow after going SLI.)

What's the best in the sub $125 area? So far the NeoPower for me. Anyone?
 
Originally posted by: svi
And you base your assumptions on what, exactly?

On Antec: Antec PSUs are good. They're not the best, and you can get the same for less if you buy a CWT PSU (Antecs are sourced from Channel Well).

On Enermax: Overpriced.

On OCZ: Like the vast majority of PSU companies, OCZ don't make PSUs. They sell them. OCZ's PowerStream line is sold under the Tagan name in Europe and the E-Power/Tagan name in the United States. They are fairly high-quality PSUs, something you would probably know had you done research on this subject.

On PCP&C: Overpriced. Nice components, though.
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So are you sure that OCZ is a rebranded Tagan? I've always believed that they are rebranded Topower psu's and I don't know whether there is a relationship between the Tagan and Topower brands. Just want to make sure we're not spreading misinformation. People are already confused over the comparison on the PCP&C site against the "550-watt PSU" which most people just assume is an Antec TruePower. However, I've always read that it's actually an Enermax. For all we know it is some no-name brand that they pulled from some pc built in 1987.

Anyways, my take on this is that both are great psu's and at such drastically different price ranges can't really be compared. That being said, if I were paying $210 for a psu then I wouldn't expect to be charged another $10-$15 extra for a quiet fan. As for OCZ, I almost pulled the trigger on a 600W powerstream and came across all those reports of them dying and taking out whole systems with em. Not the most encouraging reviews.

 
Oh ya, one more thing... I went with a Neopower instead of that OCZ and am very happy with it. What I really wanted was a Seasonic S12 but it looks like that won't happen for quite a while.
 
I know all companies have components that fail once in a while, but I've heard of so many OCZ components that have failed, their thermal grease which contained no silver but claimed to contain it, and of course the first lot of 600w PSU's which fried a whole lot of computers. (and only 50% of the people that happened to were compensated for their loses)
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So based on one irrelevant example and one screwed-up batch, you feel that you can definitely say that OCZ PSUs are terrible? Some advice for you: don't use induction when there are very few particular examples available, or you will find yourself ending up with a lot of false conclusions.

If you don't get what I mean by this, let me put it this way: at one point in the past, there was a flurry of reports of failed 480W TrueBlues. Does that mean all Antec PSUs suck? No, it more than likely means that a batch of TrueBlues got screwed up.


So are you sure that OCZ is a rebranded Tagan? I've always believed that they are rebranded Topower psu's and I don't know whether there is a relationship between the Tagan and Topower brands. Just want to make sure we're not spreading misinformation.
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I probably should have been more clear there... I didn't mean that it was a rebranded Tagan so much as I meant that it is the same as a Tagan. Topower probably actually manufacture the PSU, I was just using Tagan as an example because they're fairly well-regarded over in Europe.


People are already confused over the comparison on the PCP&C site against the "550-watt PSU" which most people just assume is an Antec TruePower. However, I've always read that it's actually an Enermax. For all we know it is some no-name brand that they pulled from some pc built in 1987.
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That's what I'd choose if I were to do a comparison between my PSU and "the competition." I'm somewhat suspicious of tests that aren't too specific, myself.


Anyways, my take on this is that both are great psu's and at such drastically different price ranges can't really be compared. That being said, if I were paying $210 for a psu then I wouldn't expect to be charged another $10-$15 extra for a quiet fan. As for OCZ, I almost pulled the trigger on a 600W powerstream and came across all those reports of them dying and taking out whole systems with em. Not the most encouraging reviews.
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No, they most certainly aren't. There are always bad batches, though.. you can find the exact same thing happening with certain models from every brand of hard drive, but that doesn't mean we should all use flash memory for permanent storage. Just means it's best to go for proven models as often as possible.
 
Originally posted by: svi
If you don't get what I mean by this, let me put it this way: at one point in the past, there was a flurry of reports of failed 480W TrueBlues. Does that mean all Antec PSUs suck? No, it more than likely means that a batch of TrueBlues got screwed up.
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I know for a fact they don't, I've owned a TrueBlue 480w for 2 years now and have never had a problem with it. 🙂
 
I know for a fact they don't, I've owned a TrueBlue 480w for 2 years now and have never had a problem with it.
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Great, so you see exactly what I mean about the danger of drawing conclusions from isolated examples, then?
 
Originally posted by: sirspotti
Originally posted by: svi
And you base your assumptions on what, exactly?

On Antec: Antec PSUs are good. They're not the best, and you can get the same for less if you buy a CWT PSU (Antecs are sourced from Channel Well).

On Enermax: Overpriced.

On OCZ: Like the vast majority of PSU companies, OCZ don't make PSUs. They sell them. OCZ's PowerStream line is sold under the Tagan name in Europe and the E-Power/Tagan name in the United States. They are fairly high-quality PSUs, something you would probably know had you done research on this subject.

On PCP&C: Overpriced. Nice components, though.
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So are you sure that OCZ is a rebranded Tagan? I've always believed that they are rebranded Topower psu's and I don't know whether there is a relationship between the Tagan and Topower brands. Just want to make sure we're not spreading misinformation. People are already confused over the comparison on the PCP&C site against the "550-watt PSU" which most people just assume is an Antec TruePower. However, I've always read that it's actually an Enermax. For all we know it is some no-name brand that they pulled from some pc built in 1987.

Anyways, my take on this is that both are great psu's and at such drastically different price ranges can't really be compared. That being said, if I were paying $210 for a psu then I wouldn't expect to be charged another $10-$15 extra for a quiet fan. As for OCZ, I almost pulled the trigger on a 600W powerstream and came across all those reports of them dying and taking out whole systems with em. Not the most encouraging reviews.
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Topower manufactures Tagan 🙂
 
0101100 you seem to be the classic person that comes in here with an attitude who in reality doesn't know much at all and simply wishes to cause problems. I would stop it right now if you want to enjoy your time on the forums 🙂 just a suggestions.

As for all your statements they are false.

You said that OCZ PSU are "sh!t" there has not been one bad review of them. Not ONE! Also Antec and Enermax are in the same league as OCZ and PCP&C.

Later you stated that the OCZ burnt out someones system. This is true, they had some disaster at one of their manf plants or something and it damaged all their PSU without them knowing. However what you fail to mention is the fact that OCZ bought EVERY SINGLE person that lost something due to this a new system. Sounds like quality to me. Not 50% if you submitted a report concerning this they bought you an identical system.

Thermal grease containing no silver. Hmm how in the hell could you have found that out. You would have had to have access to something to seperate the compound and look at each element which i HIGHLY doubt happened. Furthermore i highly doubt that happened as that would be false advertising and they would be sued for it.

I believe the list should go something like this for PSU's:
(PC Power and Cooling > OCZ) >> Enermax> Antec.

PC Power and Cooling night not be AS powerful as the OCZ unit but it has very nice voltage regulation and high quality capacitors and cables. THe OCZ while stronger (I think PCP&C still ahs a stronger 12V rail though) and posessing more features does not posess as much quality as well as loose voltage regulation. The Enermax are not as strong as those two top teir manf but produce many nice PSU's with lots of features. While Antec produces very nice PSU comparable in strength to the Enermax PSU's they are showing their age. They lack many new features and are QUITE as powerful as the others.

Of course others are right on their heels but these are the top four.

0111010110110 i would be willing to bet you dont know the difference between a VOlt and an Amp based on the lack of evidence you provided. I would highly reccommend checking your sources and thinking before you post, you dont want to start out on the wrong foot.

-Kevin
 
As for all your statements they are false.
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Nope, just my first one about OCZ's PSU's.

You said that OCZ PSU are "sh!t" there has not been one bad review of them. Not ONE! Also Antec and Enermax are in the same league as OCZ and PCP&C.
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I'd say they're all pretty much in the same league.

Later you stated that the OCZ burnt out someones system. This is true, they had some disaster at one of their manf plants or something and it damaged all their PSU without them knowing. However what you fail to mention is the fact that OCZ bought EVERY SINGLE person that lost something due to this a new system. Sounds like quality to me. Not 50% if you submitted a report concerning this they bought you an identical system.
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OCZ DO have good customer service, so I'll give them that.

Thermal grease containing no silver. Hmm how in the hell could you have found that out. You would have had to have access to something to seperate the compound and look at each element which i HIGHLY doubt happened. Furthermore i highly doubt that happened as that would be false advertising and they would be sued for it.
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I exagerate, but I don't bs 🙂
http://www.overclockers.com/articles938/

I believe the list should go something like this for PSU's:
(PC Power and Cooling > OCZ) >> Enermax> Antec.
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http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=792566
All four of them are listed as high end PSU's, lets leave it at that. 🙂

PC Power and Cooling night not be AS powerful as the OCZ unit but it has very nice voltage regulation and high quality capacitors and cables. THe OCZ while stronger (I think PCP&C still ahs a stronger 12V rail though) and posessing more features does not posess as much quality as well as loose voltage regulation. The Enermax are not as strong as those two top teir manf but produce many nice PSU's with lots of features. While Antec produces very nice PSU comparable in strength to the Enermax PSU's they are showing their age. They lack many new features and are QUITE as powerful as the others.
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Rail stability is very important aswell, not all about the amount of power.

Of course others are right on their heels but these are the top four.
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True.

0111010110110 i would be willing to bet you dont know the difference between a VOlt and an Amp based on the lack of evidence you provided. I would highly reccommend checking your sources and thinking before you post, you dont want to start out on the wrong foot.
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Volt - The standard unit of electric potential. It is defined as the amount of electrical potential between two points on a conductor carrying a current of one ampere while one watt of power is dissipated between the two points.
Amp - The base unit of electrical current, which is the rate of flow of an electrical charge.
 
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