PCI Express X1 any hardware yet?

[Googer]

Better throuput and lower latency, and there is a noticeable differance when the cpu is under full load.

I am not trying to start an argument. No one eversaid el-cheapo either, no class of hardware was mentioned.

Trust me, Its okay to be wrong or not know something. Everyone knows a know it all is the worst person to take advise from.

 

[Gamingphreek]

A difference for a home PC of ~1%. It makes virtually NO difference!!

Trust me, Its okay to be wrong or not know something. Everyone knows a know it all is the worst person to take advise from.

Why are you preaching this to me. Dont you think i have been here long enough that i know how to post, and i know what i am talking about??

If there was such a big difference between onboard and a $100 NIC (FOR THE HOME USER) then why doesn't everyone have one!?

-Kevin

 

[Googer]

lets do some math, 5% does not sound like much but it adds up.

10-15% for onboard 5.1 sound
7% for 10/100 ethernet @ full load
10-100% for onboard software raid 0 (depending on the cpu and number of drives in the array)
add it all up using the lowest numbers and the total comes to 27% of the cpu's time is being spent doing other things besides work. Dedicated onboard processors also offer better performance than there software based motherboard cousins.

That is not including USB (unlike 1394, usb has cpu overhead) and onboard graphics you maybe running.

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
A difference for a home PC of ~1%. It makes virtually NO difference!!

Trust me, Its okay to be wrong or not know something. Everyone knows a know it all is the worst person to take advise from.

Why are you preaching this to me. Dont you think i have been here long enough that i know how to post, and i know what i am talking about??

If there was such a big difference between onboard and a $100 NIC (FOR THE HOME USER) then why doesn't everyone have one!?

-Kevin

Simple, it's the same reason why Intel is the worlds largest graphics soloution provider: Because it is cheap. It is the same reason why IDE ( Intergrated drive electronics) has beaten scsi as the drive of choice for home use (comodore amiga comes to mind, it had scsi)

 

[Googer]

Well, I am not preaching. When people argue (opinions excluded), they are often trying to hide the fact that they dont know somthing or don't want to admit to looking like they are ignorant.

But even I do not know every thing. Time does not matter, Granted I know that you know these things and I give you credit for them; I have met people (for example my mother) who have used computers for 10 years and still don't know RAM from ROM or a Megabyte from a Gigabyte. We are all here to learn from one another.

 

[Googer]

A difference for a home PC of ~1%. It makes virtually NO difference!!

Performance between Premium (ocz, ballistix, corsair xms) and Standard JDEC ram is less than <5%; so then why are so many people buying low-latency memory for twice the price of the regular memory from Crucial.com?

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Googer
lets do some math, 5% does not sound like much but it adds up.

10-15% for onboard 5.1 sound
7% for 10/100 ethernet @ full load
10-100% for onboard software raid 0 (depending on the cpu and number of drives in the array)
add it all up using the lowest numbers and the total comes to 27% of the cpu's time is being spent doing other things besides work. Dedicated onboard processors also offer better performance than there software based motherboard cousins.

That is not including USB (unlike 1394, usb has cpu overhead) and onboard graphics you maybe running.

I am, at this time, ONLY talking about NIC.

Yes, sound is a given... it is horrible quality, and it has high CPU utilization. But its there if you should ever need it.

Ok... how do you have Onboard Software RAID 0. Onboard and Software cannot go together. You have one or the other. Software RAID is like going through windows Disk Management and spanning the drives together into one large one. In HW you have a dedicated chip... be it the Southbridge or a 3rd party chip such as Silicon Image.

Dedicated onboard processors also offer better performance than there software based motherboard cousins.

Yes but the average home user will not take advantage of it. Hell even most of the people here wont take advantage of the added throughput. It BARELY uses CPU as it is. If you are concerned about a MAX of 5% CPU usage then close some background apps.

Onboard graphics does not go through the CPU! It has an onboard GPU, and a direct link to the memory. It uses up no more processing cycles than a 3rd party Video Card would, (setting aside HW and SW optimizations and features).

USB... again MINIMAL difference. Do this, unplug all USB devices and turn off all USB ports. Do you notice any difference whatsoever?

-Kevin

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Googer

A difference for a home PC of ~1%. It makes virtually NO difference!!

Performance between Premium (ocz, ballistix, corsair xms) and Standard JDEC ram is less than <5%; so then why are so many people buying low-latency memory for twice the price of the regular memory from Crucial.com?

Because when making RAM it is binned. High quality RAM is the cream of the crop. Addittionally high quality RAM OCs much farther than value RAM.

Also, there is much more than a 1% difference between the types of RAM in most cases.

-Kevin

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Googer

A difference for a home PC of ~1%. It makes virtually NO difference!!

Performance between Premium (ocz, ballistix, corsair xms) and Standard JDEC ram is less than <5%; so then why are so many people buying low-latency memory for twice the price of the regular memory from Crucial.com?

Because when making RAM it is binned. High quality RAM is the cream of the crop. Addittionally high quality RAM OCs much farther than value RAM.

Also, there is much more than a 1% difference between the types of RAM in most cases.

-Kevin

I know all about the fact it is the cream of the crop. it still cost the same to produce as the standard stuff, but market demand drives the price.

ok then, show me where 200mhz DDR 400 @ standard jdec speeds of 3-3-3-8 ( I cannot remember correct me if i am wrong on JDEC) is more than 5%(+/- 1%) faster than ddr 400 @ 2-2-2-5. Not to mention again the price is higher.

I will be back later!

 

[Gamingphreek]

http://www.techwarelabs.com/re..._timings/index_3.shtml
That is based on that guys reviews

http://www.anandtech.com/memor...oc.aspx?i=2306&amp;p=5
This AT article is a perfect example. WIthout low latencies DDR2 is as fast as or a bit slower than DDR. Then when OCZ introduced the low latencies it simply massacres all the old ones running at 4-4-4.

Yes normally it wouldn't have any effect but it can.

Also people dont always buy high end memory for low latency they buy it because it OC's better than the Value RAM.

-Kevin

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
http://www.techwarelabs.com/re..._timings/index_3.shtml
That is based on that guys reviews

http://www.anandtech.com/memor...oc.aspx?i=2306&amp;p=5
This AT article is a perfect example. WIthout low latencies DDR2 is as fast as or a bit slower than DDR. Then when OCZ introduced the low latencies it simply massacres all the old ones running at 4-4-4.

Yes normally it wouldn't have any effect but it can.

Also people dont always buy high end memory for low latency they buy it because it OC's better than the Value RAM.

-Kevin

C'mon you are compairing apples to oranges Thats like compairing pc133 to ddr1 400 (PC3200). You might as well compaire DDR to rambus, they are two differant types of memory. Show me an apples to apples compairison I.E. The same stick of ddr run at 200mhz at cas2 vs cas3. Or some thing similar, just make sure it is the same memory technology.

 

[Googer]

Sorry I did not see this in your last post. From what i have read so far this is an apples to apples compairson.
http://www.techwarelabs.com/re..._timings/index_3.shtml

Acoriding to what I have read there is four percent or less performance gain over standard jdec complient ram. For twice the price i would rather doubble my memory, because its much faster than depending on a Hard Disk (page file) when memory becomes short.