PCI Express X1 any hardware yet?

[mjdart]

My new motherboard has 3 un-used PCI Express X1 slots. I have 3 PCI devices I want to use, but only 2 open slots. Are they starting to make any PCI Express boards yet. I'd like a IDE ATA Controller as my first choice or maybe a USB/Firewire card or even a 10/100 Ethernet card. Anybody seen or read anything yet.

 

[drpootums]

i kinda want to know too...

 

[eplebnista]

PCI-E NIC

 

[Demo24]

Originally posted by: eplebnista
PCI-E NIC

wonder if it would actually benefit. though I imagine the onboard would be just as good?

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: eplebnista
PCI-E NIC

wonder if it would actually benefit. though I imagine the onboard would be just as good?

tbats gigabit ethernet . . . you dont get true gigabit ethernet on the pci-bus

any video cards supporting x1?? for tri-mon, quad-mon

 

[Demo24]

its on the PCI-e bus.

and you could fit a card into a x1 slot I belive thats where the little notch is. end of x1 and beginning of x2

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: DEMO24

Originally posted by: eplebnista
PCI-E NIC

wonder if it would actually benefit. though I imagine the onboard would be just as good?

PCI Express is prettly low latency, wether or not it's better than onboard depends on the NIC and the onboard ethernet controller. So NO and YES, It all just depends on what you are compairing it to.

 

[Googer]

Creative is coming out with a new PCI-e sound card in a few months and LSI logic is aready shipping PCI-e SCSI HDD controllers for x4 slots.

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: Googer
Creative is coming out with a new PCI-e sound card in a few months

then i'll use onboard sound until that comes!

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: Amol

Originally posted by: Googer
Creative is coming out with a new PCI-e sound card in a few months

then i'll use onboard sound until that comes!

'There will be no benefit to sound qualty other than for recording, because of the lower latency.

 

[amol]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: Amol

Originally posted by: Googer
Creative is coming out with a new PCI-e sound card in a few months

then i'll use onboard sound until that comes!

'There will be no benefit to sound qualty other than for recording, because of the lower latency.

but with the mobo i'm getting, the pci slots will be filled

 

[biostud]

doesn't most mboards comes with enough USB/IDE/Firewire/Gbit stuff so an extra card for that stuff wouldn't be needed?
What would be nice though is:
Soundcard
HDTV tuner

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: biostud
doesn't most mboards comes with enough USB/IDE/Firewire/Gbit stuff so an extra card for that stuff wouldn't be needed?
What would be nice though is:
Soundcard
HDTV tuner

Usualy onboard IDE, video, Gigabit, and sound is of near crap quality, although some need the aditonal portss or connetions that addon cards provide.

 

[Googer]

Audigy Zenith PCI-e x1
http://www.ntcompatible.com/story36906.html

 

[Googer]

http://www.anandtech.com/news/...ATVAR_START=21&p=2

 

[mjdart]

Thanks eplebnistathat's what I was looking for, I have ethernet on mobo but I put in a second and then have Win XP bridge them making a nice LAN server set-up

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Googer

Originally posted by: biostud
doesn't most mboards comes with enough USB/IDE/Firewire/Gbit stuff so an extra card for that stuff wouldn't be needed?
What would be nice though is:
Soundcard
HDTV tuner

Usualy onboard IDE, video, Gigabit, and sound is of near crap quality, although some need the aditonal portss or connetions that addon cards provide.

What do you mean IDE, and LAN are crap. Where else would you get them aside from a PCI card!?!?

The Video isn't supposed to be good in the first place, it is meant for people who simply want to surf the web in which case it is fine.

As for the Gigabit LAN, please, define me what a good "QUALITY" LAN entails. Of course the LAN on the Nforce 3gb and the Nforce 4 and the Intel chipsets are above the average quality as they have their own seperate bus.

-Kevin

 

[Googer]

A decent NIC has onboard RAM and Processing capabilties: it can lower latency and increase thorughput , The same goes for a qulity HDD controler whether the drive type be SCSI, SAS, FcAL, IDE, or SATA a decent Controller with a dedcated IO processor and ram can speed up Hard drive access and transfer. Two good examplse of how onboard stuff is usualy junk are video and sound, because most of us can directly tell with our eyes and ears the differance one video or sound card can make. Same is true for other intergrated stuff that at one time required an aditional add on card (IDE and Ethernet).

PCI- express should render Intel CSA's dedicated bus nearly obsolete, since a single PCI-e lane has enough bandwith to handle GIGBIT network traffic; But I don't expect it to disapear any time soon, since it is cheap and Intel's marketing Dept loves it.

By the way, I think the markting dept @ intel dictates (or does) all the engineering. That would explatin all of the problems they are haveing with their products and crap they are putting out while making such huge profits.

edit:

Realtek makes some of the crappiest onboard lan (and NIC's for that matter), they often poop out and quit when they are under full load, resulting in some type of crash.

 

[Gamingphreek]

A decent NIC has onboard RAM and Processing capabilties: it can lower latency and increase thorughput , The same goes for a qulity HDD controler whether the drive type be SCSI, SAS, FcAL, IDE, or SATA a decent Controller with a dedcated IO processor and ram can speed up Hard drive access and transfer. Two good examplse of how onboard stuff is usualy junk are video and sound, because most of us can directly tell with our eyes and ears the differance one video or sound card can make. Same is true for other intergrated stuff that at one time required an aditional add on card (IDE and Ethernet).

I have NEVER heard of a controller card having its own dedicated RAM. THe only time having a controller card would be an advantage is if you were running it in a 64bit 133mhz PCI-X slot.

As for audio, its not supposed to be good. And manf are trying to change that with the HD audio codecs, SS, Envy Azalia...

Realtek makes some of the crappiest onboard lan (and NIC's for that matter), they often poop out and quit when they are under full load, resulting in some type of crash.

I have NEVER heard of this before. I have heard of a hiss (which is due to poor DACs) but i have never heard of them "pooping out" under load.

-Kevin

 

[Googer]

HBA's with dedicated ram have been around for ages, maybe not in a gamingphreek system but in enterprise and engineering workstations.

LSI Logic, 3ware, mylex, and adaptec all make them. I know I left a lot out, so anyone feel free to fill in my blanks.
Here are some manufacturer links. Not all cards have upgrade able DIMMS, some have the memory solderd on to the card itself.

http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata9000.asp

http://www.lsilogic.com/produc...scsi_raid/3202064.html

http://www.lsilogic.com/produc...d/megaraid_320_2e.html



Here is an old 32bit PCI Mylex (some ISA cards have simms)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...;rd=1#ebayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...em=5155809677&rd=1

Here is a photo from adaptec of an ultra320 card with memory solderd on to the card (non upgradable)
http://www.adaptec.com/worldwi...419&imageWidth=600

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwi...logy%2fRAID%2fUltra320

 

[Gamingphreek]

Ok THINK about this for a second. Why even bring up Enterprise level hardware. WHY!?!?!? Are any of us going to use it.... NO!

This is even above server grade... ENTERPRISE, meaning not MAINSTREAM, or for the mainstream computer.

-Kevin

 

[Googer]

I have a 3com 3cr990svr97 nic with a dedicated 3xp processor and SRAM. Most low end nic's (under $75 do not have such features)

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwi...hernet&source=menu

 

[Googer]

This is why i brought it up

I have NEVER heard of a controller card having its own dedicated RAM

We have met before; I know you like to argue, but there is no point in it.
I am using enterprise hardware in my home machine, because it gives my cpu better performance.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Googer
I have a 3com 3cr990svr97 nic with a dedicated 3xp processor and SRAM. Most low end nic's (under $75 do not have such features)

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwi...hernet&source=menu

Because they dont need to have those features!!! Maybe you, for some reason in this world, need an Enterprise class nic for home use, but 99% of people out there do not need anything like that.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Googer
This is why i brought it up

I have NEVER heard of a controller card having its own dedicated RAM

We have met before; I know you like to argue, but there is no point in it.
I am using enterprise hardware in my home machine, because it gives my cpu better performance.

There is no point in my arguing huh, and i like to argue... Sure :roll:?

Well part of the reason i said that is because NO ONE mentioned Enterprise class hardware. You simply brought it up to create something to argue about.

It might save you 2% on CPU utilization. Basically you just got ripped off by buying that. You will notice virtually no difference.

-Kevin