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Helznicht

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When I installed my new P3 750, I noticed it had a pink pad on the core (where the HS would be applied). I put a little paste on it and stuck the Hs/Fans on. Now, I dont run overclocked (yet), so should I remove the pad anyway to help keep it cool. I have a BH6 MB and dont have a way of checking cpu temp (although my sys temp is always 34-35c when i lock up).

ALSO, Whats the best way to remove it without hurting your cpu?


The only reason I ask is because I am getting lockups under heavy loads after about 1.5-2 hour tests and have exhausted every thing I know to solve the problem (and I didnt have this problem until I installed the P3, my celery would run for days). But, with the P3, I installed new Ram and an additional 60 GIG HD.

I have tried to no avail:
* Swapping memory modules (in/out/around) with old memory
* Heavily underclock my Vid Card
* Heavily underclock my CPU
* Removed the new additional HD (to rule out PS)
* Removed a spare CD-Rom Drive (to rule out PS)
* New install of Win on-top-of itself.

Thanks
 
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bigbootydaddy

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R u sure it wasnt some type of epoxy already on it??

otherwise, i would have removed it..but that might not be right...
 
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Helznicht

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Epoxy?

Well it wasnt sticky or pliable. Just kinda like a thin, dense, foam pad.
And it wouldnt "peel" off. Thats why I left it on.

?????
 
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ukDave

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it could be some protective padding for the core! but highly unlikely. I would try removing it, and if successful put some artic silver (or similar) on the core and attach your HSF. I guess things should improve once this is done.
 
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BowDown

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Ya, I would try to remove it, and then see if you're heatsink has a gap. If so put it back on! :)
 
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Helznicht

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ACK!!!!

I found on the Heatsink and Fan Guide web site that:

You can use the pads (ok temp dispense) or the paste (good temp dispense) but, absolutly do NOT use BOTH!!!!

Uhh Ohh......


UHM, what do you mean by gap?

 
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FordLorider

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K, the best thing to do here is to remove that 'thing' and put some heatsink compound. He means by gap...some of the cores are not completely smooth and there might be a gap since the cores might be convexed or concaved, never perfectly flat. Hence some people sand (very fine grit) their cores just a bit to make them flat and glass-like, but usually not necessary, the gaps are usually not that bad.


:p
 
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Noriaki

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34-35C isn't really a good temp for a Stock P3-750...

My Duron 750 stock runs at 32....overclocked to 1Ghz it's 39...

Durons are hot little bastards to....

You want to get that thermal pad off of there...or at least use only it and not heatsink paste as well....too much thermal paste becomes an insulator....

thermal paste is the paste (Arctic Silver 2 preferably)
thermal pad is second best
bare core is 3rd
too much thermal material is worse than a bare core...

35 isn't hot enough that it's likely to damage the P3...but it's hot enough that I wouldn't try much in the way of OCing...

(Durons are hotter, but also have a higher heat tolerance)
 
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Helznicht

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Yup, already in the plan to get that fixed (maybe a new fan too).

But let me make this clear, the 34-35c temp is for my SYSTEM, not my cpu.
This would mean my CPU is even hotter.

According to this website:
Heatsinks

The max temp for a Duron (750) is 90c. This means your running your cpu at 33% of the max temerature. WOW.

The max temp for a P3 750 is 80c. I have no idea what my cpu temp is right now.
 
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Helznicht

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Sigh...

Well its not my CPU (although I am changing the fan). I put my Cel 450 back in, and after 1.8 Hours in 3DMark2k1, It locks up, and again @ 2.1 hours.

Whats the longest anyone has run the 3DMark2001 Demo (looping)?

I think Im gonna get the 12.41 drivers from nvidea, I have a GF1. Dont think it will help though, I have the same problem with cpu tests (Prime85, ect.) with both my cpus @ stock speeds.

Any help...... :(
 
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TunaBoo

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Are you umm.. plugging in the fan? Also, is it a tight fit so u can barely wiggle it left or right? You may need to bend clips to tighten the HSF.
 
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Helznicht

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Yup, the cpu fan is running on both CPUs.

Things I changed when lockups started:

* Upgraded BH6 Bios (hope I dont have to flash back to older version)
* New P3 750 (also put celeron back in, still locks)
* Replaced old 3 gig HD with new 60 Gig
* Replaced 256 megs pc-100 ram with 256 pc-133 ram
* Removed old cd-rom drive

More guidance please......







 
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Hoober

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Are your BIOS settings correct for your new RAM? That could generate the lockups after a certain period of time under heavy loads. I'd make sure they're all correct since you switched from 100 to 133.
 
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Helznicht

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Help with ram, me no undastud (as i pick the callus from my knuckles)

All I know is cas time, in which case I have 2 options, 2 or 3. I have it set to 3 I believe.

What should pc-133 ram be set at? What other settings are there.

PLEASE!!!! This could be it!!!! :Q
 
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TunaBoo

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Umm can't you get motherboard monitor and check your proc temps?

Just make sure your ram is at 100 cas 3 if your cpu is made for 100 mhz FSB or 133 cas 3 if it is made for 133 fsb (this is consertiver and should work).

If you have a p3 750E I think its 100 FSB, a p3750EB is 133FSB. I am not a intel person so I am not sure.
 
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Helznicht

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No cpu temp, one of the only drawbacks to the BH6.

Its a 100fsb with a 750 (x7.5)

Cas time was set to auto, I hard set it to 3. Couldnt find 100/133 ram setting, I assume it will default to whatever the fsb is. Will continue testing. Thanks.
 
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Helznicht

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Solution:

Went into Bios, hit "reload bios defaults", rebooted. :|

OHH but what I went through to get this simple @$$ solution.

So, I gave up and took my PC to a local Mom and Pop PC shop.
They said they would look at it and find the problem for $40. OK
3 days later they tell me its ready and tell me my cables were bad..
(But I changed them and it still locked up). After argueing with them for 15 minutes, I say, hook it up and if it doesnt lock up after an hour, ill pay you and ill be on my way. They refused because there were no cables in the pc, (there were returning it back to me incomplete) and he said mine were bad, and that I would have to buy a new set there for him to do that. WTF!!! Well thay finaly gave in and just told me to leave. I went to another shop and "just to be safe" bought a new set of cables. While I was there, the owner asked about my problem, I explained it to him and his very first question was "did you reload bios defaults after you flashed the MB"? Uhhm, not exactly, I though after a flash the MB would be at default. Well you know what happens when you ASS-U-ME.

Well I put my old IDE cables back in, put the P3 750 (pink pad free) back in, reloaded bios defaults, and am currently 13+ hours into 3dMark2001.

Now dig this, after I got my PC back from the first shop, my HDs were all set to custom cylinder settings, and there was no way it was going to detect them at the settings they had. Also, I now have several MP3 missing from my HDs, including the ones used in 3dMark2k1 ? ? :Q

Anybody want a set of IDE cables?... :(
 
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