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dwell

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I had a PS3 for a while and just got a 360 for Christmas. I got CoD4 with the 360 and played through it. I really sucked with the controls in the beginning and got "accustomed" to them by the end. Does it ever get any better or are they just never as accurate as the mouse no matter how good you get with them? I cranked up the sensitivity but I just could not pull off instant headshots like on the PC. It was pretty much always: stop, zoom, aim, shoot.

I don't expect things to be accurate as a mouse, just wondering if I totally suck or its as good as it gets.

I have no problem with third-person games. I did great with Uncharted and Ratched & Clank. It's just FPS.
 

Ackmed

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No. I refuse to play a FPS on the console, again. Ive tried, tried and tried, and just end up too annoyed. Im waiting for a wireless FragFX, to play Resistance, and Darkness that I have. Warhawk would be very nice with a kb/mouse too. I have no idea why the industry is dragging its feet getting proper kb/mouse support. At least give the gamers a choice, and dont listen to people who complain that its unfair to gamepad user.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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Yeah I can do it and I used to be solely a PC gamer. In fact until late Aug. I hadn't played a console game since 2000. I actually prefer Gamepad now. I don't gotta sit at my computer to play a game and i can relax back on the couch. Everybody is different though. I prefer not to sit at a computer desk for fun since I do it for 8 hours a day at work.
 

hdeck

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no, i'm still terrible. i don't think i will ever get "good" with joystick aiming, and i'm perfectly fine with that.
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Yeah I can do it and I used to be solely a PC gamer. In fact until late Aug. I hadn't played a console game since 2000. I actually prefer Gamepad now. I don't gotta sit at my computer to play a game and i can relax back on the couch. Everybody is different though. I prefer not to sit at a computer desk for fun since I do it for 8 hours a day at work.

Good to hear it's at least possible for some people to adapt. I don't expect I'll ever be as accurate with a thumbstick as I am with a mouse. I don't think it's possible to match the accuracy of a mouse. If you think about it, it's a completely different way of aiming. Using a mouse, the distance you move your crosshairs is directly related to the distance you move the mouse. But with a thumbstick, it's completely related to timing, instead of distance. It's all about learning how long to hold the stick, instead of learning how far you have to move the mouse. IMO, it's inherently easier to get good at judging the distance rather than the timing. Or I could be wrong. :)

Either way, I'd just like to get good enough to be reasonably competitive with the other console users out there. I'm a long-time PC gamer. I started with Quake 2, then moved through Rogue Spear, CS, MOH, BF1942, COD, etc. So I was really resistant to changing to console.

But man, it's so much easier and more convenient to play on the console. No worries about hardware compatibility, video driver issues, etc. No having to buy a high end PC every year and a $400 video card every 6 months just to keep up with the latest games. I just got a 360 for Christmas and I'm loving being able to sit on my couch and play COD4 on my 120" LCD proj screen. If I can just get decent with this damn thumbstick, I may be making the switch permanently.
 

gorcorps

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I doubt you'd ever get as good as with your trusty KB/M, but I've been doing alright. I've been a PC only gamer till about Sept when I got a 360. It was a pain in the ass for a while but shooters on a gamepad work fine after you play enough. I was worried I was never going to be good enough with it to play online and have fun but I'm rocking at CoD4 right now which I only got yesterday.
 

jim1976

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No no and again no..
I have both xbox360 and ps3 for a year and can't still get used to the joystick..
Of course with much much practice everything is achievable but quite frankly I'm not in the mood of doing that.
I only play exclusive fps in the consoles that I can't play at my pc.. (e.g Resistance,Halo3)
But as I said if I can avoid it I will gladly do it.. :D
Kbrd+mouse 4 eva :cool:
 

giantpinkbunnyhead

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I too have considerably more trouble with controllers vs. the standard KB/M setup. But the nice thing is that in some games playable with controllers, the option exists to "lock on" so I can be a little lax with the aiming. One such game I've been playing recently that features this is "Crackdown" on the 360. I know it's not a FPS but the lock-on feature sure helps compensate for my lack of skill with the thumbsticks.
 

raystorm

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Yea, I've gotten used to it pretty easily. I am a bit slow at times when playing with a controller for some reason and I get murdered in multiplayer games because of it but I never have much trouble coming to grips with the controls of fps games on a console.
 

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I played a lot of PC FPS in college (Counterstrike, BF 1942 mostly). I was probably about an average player, although it's hard to judge since I was only playing against people at my small college. Bioshock was the first console FPS that I really tried to play since Goldeneye. Bioshock came out in what, August? Got Halo 3 shortly after it came out, and in online ranked matches my highest skill rating is 30 out of 50, FWIW. So I think I've gotten to the point I was at on the PC in a relatively short amount of time. Halo 3 multiplayer helped a lot, because it matches you with people at your general skill level and you move up until you get to the point where you're not as good as the people you're playing against.
 

Ackmed

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Originally posted by: DT4K



But man, it's so much easier and more convenient to play on the console. No worries about hardware compatibility, video driver issues, etc. No having to buy a high end PC every year and a $400 video card every 6 months just to keep up with the latest games.

At least stick to facts... You do not have to spend $400 every six months on video cards, or a high end PC every year. Im happy you're likely gaming on the console, just try to be factual, and not get carried away to make your case.



 

destrekor

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Some people can get so accustomed to console controllers that they are indeed excellent, while those of us who have used the PC a lot tend to not be able to be competitive with the controller (although, I am also not exactly competitive with the kb&m either, so.. what gives?!)...
that's why I tend to stick to shooter multiplayer games on the PC, and mostly single player on consoles. I am good enough with the controller for single player games, but humans tend to wipe the map with me. I am, however, pretty skilled with the tanks in Warhawk, however, to get the next rank I gotta get my skills up when flying the warhawks. I do enjoy that style of game, because with the help of the aim-assist and the variety of play styles and balanced playing field, it's still enjoyable and I can still do good. I can also do horrible, but it tends to still be fun.
 

BD2003

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I've gotten used to it, to the point that it doesnt bother me per se, but at the end of the day, I still wish theyd just let us use a damn mouse already. Its so simple to implement I cant figure out why they dont give the option. If that segments the online community, so be it. Live is huge enough for the major games (Halo, COD etc), that splitting gamers between mouse/kb and gamepad is not going to cause matchmaking issues.
 

syn0s

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I also agree with the OP. I have had problems since day one trying to aim on FPS games. I keep hearing that practice makes perfect, but it doesn't really seem to get much better.

Also, you don't need a $400 video card every 6 months to be able to play games, but you will need to upgrade eventually, making it a constant treadmill. People also try and use the fact that they can sit in front of their huge LCD or Projection television to play console games while ignoring the fact that you can also hook up your PC to 99% of these as well. Neither of those are valid statements.

I do find it difficult to get used to it though. It seems I am slightly better with an inverted thumbstick, but not by much. If I played online I know I would get wiped, but it is still fun. I'm sure that it is more difficult for more people to get used to the thumbsticks when they come from a PC background such as myself, whereas other people have no problem adapting.

Also, I don't know if it would be so simple to integrate a keyboard and mouse controls into the 360. It seems like it might be OK for unreleased titles to this point, but adding in backwards compatibility with all of the previous FPS games would likely be a nightmare (Bioshock, Halo 3, etc.) where they are specifically designed for the controller. You would think that Microsoft would release an official keyboard and mouse peripheral for the 360, since the PS3 seems to be doing just that.

Who knows.. With all the reports on XBox Scene of the "alternate" control methods that Microsoft has been seeking out (Wii style motion sensitive remotes for the 360) we may yet see a M/KB in 2008. *Crosses Fingers*
 

RaiderJ

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Originally posted by: Ackmed
No. I refuse to play a FPS on the console, again. Ive tried, tried and tried, and just end up too annoyed. Im waiting for a wireless FragFX, to play Resistance, and Darkness that I have. Warhawk would be very nice with a kb/mouse too. I have no idea why the industry is dragging its feet getting proper kb/mouse support. At least give the gamers a choice, and dont listen to people who complain that its unfair to gamepad user.

^Agree

Only difference is that playing Metroid Prime 3 on the Wii felt very natural. Not as quick and precise as the PC, but being able to have the camera move independently of the firing target was much more engrossing.
 

GenHoth

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I'm glad for the difference, if I hooked up my mouse and keyboard to the console I would just have a defective computer.
 

Ns1

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I played PC games for a good 6 years. Started playing FPS with halo, moved onto halo3/CoD4.

Once you accept the limitations of the controller and start to work with it + have fun with it, there is no problem.

If you continuously say "shit, I wish I had a keyboard/mouse" then you're obviously not going to have any fun. You really need to just stop bitching and get better ;)

 

Fingolfin269

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After many hours of frustration I am starting to become pretty damn good at COD. It is different but hey, look at it this way... Everyone else is using the same exact hardware as you so that takes another level of PC gaming out of the equation.
 

Oil

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Aug 31, 2005
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Yes, I'm better than other people I know at Halo 3 who have been playing Halo for a few years
 

JoPh

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i made the conversion fine. i played TF and Q3 for 10+ years. gave up on pc gaming and went console. and i have adapted. just takes time.


also i had to invert the controls. before i did that i couldnt do a damn thing. once i inverted the y axis things became ALOT easier.
 

JoPh

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one more thing. i am not really looking for a keyboard mouse combo for my console i would find that akward sitting on my couch trying to use that. u have a big screen tv the mouse and keyboard wont do so well.
 

JackBurton

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Originally posted by: Ns1
I played PC games for a good 6 years. Started playing FPS with halo, moved onto halo3/CoD4.

Once you accept the limitations of the controller and start to work with it + have fun with it, there is no problem.

If you continuously say "shit, I wish I had a keyboard/mouse" then you're obviously not going to have any fun. You really need to just stop bitching and get better ;)

Exactly.