PBS: Daughter from Danang... a.k.a. An Uncultured, Ungrateful American

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imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: kei
Heidi Bub wasn't separated from her mother as a baby. She was sent to the US at age 6 and visited Vietnam when she was 28/29. Her mom gave her up in fear that her daughter would be killed and hopes that she would have a better life. Her reaction when she went to Vietnam was filled with disgust. What the hell was she expecting? It's a third world country. Didn't she keep up in correspondence with her family? She should have at least become more familiar with the culture instead being completely ignorant.

Amen, Kei.
 

Aves

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Originally posted by: DezignI
I'm not sure if it was the ignorant surroundings she was raised in

You mean the south?
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imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: aves2k
Originally posted by: DezignI
I'm not sure if it was the ignorant surroundings she was raised in

You mean the south?
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No, I mean her immediate family. Way to jump to conclusions.
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Even her husband said "Heidi told me she was part Oriental, but told me to keep it a secret in high school."
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: atom
Would you blame the typical American 'redneck' for not wanting to be in Vietnam???

From the summary it looks like she went there willingly. Why go there if all you're gonna do is act indignant all the time?
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I don't think she knew what to expect. Sure, we know that people in 3rd world countries are 'poor' but our concept of 'poor' can vary greatly from the reality in countries like Vietnam. Like you I haven't seen the documentary so I don't know how long it took her to react the way she did...but I would say her reaction could be shock rather than any ungrateful attitude on her part. Like I said, I wouldn't expect the average Bubba or Beckie Sue to act any different, so why expect any more from her?? I've seen a Dateline or 20/20 short similar to this one, involving an airlifted baby from Vietnam being raised in America and then going back to meet her family. She acted completely different compared to Heidi, bringing her mother and older brother to come live with her in the US. However, her family did *NOT* raise her 'white'. They celebrated Vietnamese holidays, ate Vietnamese food, enrolled her in a Vietnamese Sunday school where she could learn the language etc. You ARE a product of your environment...

 

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I think she has to understand people just can't live on love alone. Money
helps alot..
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
I don't think she knew what to expect. Sure, we know that people in 3rd world countries are 'poor' but our concept of 'poor' can vary greatly from the reality in countries like Vietnam. Like you I haven't seen the documentary so I don't know how long it took her to react the way she did...but I would say her reaction could be shock rather than any ungrateful attitude on her part. Like I said, I wouldn't expect the average Bubba or Beckie Sue to act any different, so why expect any more from her?? I've seen a Dateline or 20/20 short similar to this one, involving an airlifted baby from Vietnam being raised in America and then going back to meet her family. She acted completely different compared to Heidi, bringing her mother and older brother to come live with her in the US. However, her family did *NOT* raise her 'white'. They celebrated Vietnamese holidays, ate Vietnamese food, enrolled her in a Vietnamese Sunday school where she could learn the language etc. You ARE a product of your environment...

No, she didn't know what to expect... she had an idealized image of everything, including her mother, in her head. "I expected her to be a quiet, sweet woman... but she was so... strong and aggressive." I understand her disappointment, in terms of everything she saw not matching what she was expecting... but at the same time, what kind of fantasyland was she living in to be THAT shocked/surprised?

I'd like to see that Dateline or 20/20 short... how wonderful for that daughter to bring her mother and older brother back to a better (subjective) life in the US. And yes, you really are a product of your environment, as painfully observed in this documentary... the family that raised Heidi had her reject her Vietnamese blood for so long... but she admitted memories came back to her through pictures, and even then, she had no desire to explore her relationship with her Vietnamese family any further. Her final statement about her experience: "I guess you could say I've closed the door... (laugher) Hehehe... but, well, I haven't locked it yet. It's closed, but it ain't locked (more laughter)".

*sigh* I just felt so bad for her poor mother... after Heidi pushed her away, her mother cried and said "The money is not important, I am used to being poor... all I want to do is love my daughter, and that will be enough... it is a blessing to have her return after all these years, and I just want to love her and be close to her... I kiss her to keep her essence with me, but she rejects me..." Heidi didn't even give her the chance to love her. Her poor mother basically lost her daughter twice... :(
 

atom

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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
Originally posted by: atom
Would you blame the typical American 'redneck' for not wanting to be in Vietnam???

From the summary it looks like she went there willingly. Why go there if all you're gonna do is act indignant all the time?
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I don't think she knew what to expect. Sure, we know that people in 3rd world countries are 'poor' but our concept of 'poor' can vary greatly from the reality in countries like Vietnam. Like you I haven't seen the documentary so I don't know how long it took her to react the way she did...but I would say her reaction could be shock rather than any ungrateful attitude on her part. Like I said, I wouldn't expect the average Bubba or Beckie Sue to act any different, so why expect any more from her?? I've seen a Dateline or 20/20 short similar to this one, involving an airlifted baby from Vietnam being raised in America and then going back to meet her family. She acted completely different compared to Heidi, bringing her mother and older brother to come live with her in the US. However, her family did *NOT* raise her 'white'. They celebrated Vietnamese holidays, ate Vietnamese food, enrolled her in a Vietnamese Sunday school where she could learn the language etc. You ARE a product of your environment...

But according to posts, she WAS a product of Vietnam until she was 5-6. So either she repressed those memories or she deluded herself into thinking it was something totally different. It's like she was living in her own little bubble. You don't have to be raised in the culture to know what to expect when you go there. I'm about as ABC as they come, but when I went back to China a few years ago with my family for the first time I honestly wasn't that shocked at all. I expected the village my grandfather came from to be a sh!thole and well, it pretty much was.

Damn, I really wanna see this movie now.:p
 

notfred

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I saw like 5 minutes of it. Vietnam was interesting, but the chick in the movie was annoying. Talknig about how many outfits she tried on before going to visit her family or whatever. Who cares? I'd rather jsut watch a documentary on Vietnam.
 

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i could expect some sort of shock or maybe distanc3e... but shes just a biotch!
 

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Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
I don't blame her one bit! Seriously, Dezign and others calling her a biatch...can you at least try to put yourself in her shoes??? No one can even imagine what she's going through. Nevermind the fact that she's a product of her foster parents and shouldn't be considered 'Asian'. Having slant-eyes doesn't mean your Asian (and she probably doesn't even have those if she's mixed)...being Asian involves a radically different definition of family compared to typical American experiences, not to mention other cultural values. Would you blame the typical American 'redneck' for not wanting to be in Vietnam???
I completely agree with you uncJIGGA.

This story reminds me of my "extended family." All they care about is the gifts and money they deserve because someone in their family lives in the US.:|
 

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Like you I haven't seen the documentary so I don't know how long it took her to react the way she did...but I would say her reaction could be shock rather than any ungrateful attitude on her part.

Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions until you see the documentary.
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: Spac3d
Originally posted by: uncJIGGA
I don't blame her one bit! Seriously, Dezign and others calling her a biatch...can you at least try to put yourself in her shoes??? No one can even imagine what she's going through. Nevermind the fact that she's a product of her foster parents and shouldn't be considered 'Asian'. Having slant-eyes doesn't mean your Asian (and she probably doesn't even have those if she's mixed)...being Asian involves a radically different definition of family compared to typical American experiences, not to mention other cultural values. Would you blame the typical American 'redneck' for not wanting to be in Vietnam???
I completely agree with you uncJIGGA.

This story reminds me of my "extended family." All they care about is the gifts and money they deserve because someone in their family lives in the US.:|

As it was explained in the documentary, it is tradition and respect for those who have been fortunate enough to make it to the USA to help their family out back in Vietnam, China, etc. They don't consider it rude when they ask for money because that's how their culture is... helping out financially is expected. It isn't all they care about, but when you live in extreme poverty and your brother or sister across the ocean is buying PS2's and eating out every night, you'd hope they could spare a least a little.

Those of us in situations such as this one (residing in the USA with extended family in Asia) are very, very lucky. We are fortunate to have what we have, and should be grateful to those who did what they could so we could be here... I know that personally, my grandmother lived in poverty with her daughter, living on almost nothing so they could afford to send my father to the USA, and consequently to a better life. He has never forgotten her sacrifices and neither have I... I have extended family in China, and I send money, gifts, etc. when I can. I never feel insulted when I'm asked for money, because I know that's just how the culture is... and if I can spare it, I'll gladly give it.
 

human2k

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I dont blame Heidi for her reaction, but I've got admit, Heidi is a fat ass, and I bet she coulda atleast spared them atleast a snicker bar she had in her purse. Cmon! They cant afford to eat. On another note, if her mother was expecting Hedi to come back and help her, big mistake on her part for letting her have a better life. Shoulda let her stay and suffer in vietnam, bet she wouldn't be so fat.:p
 

0roo0roo

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her vietnamese family was a little f^cked up, probably has a skewed idea of what americans are.. rich rich peeps! :p

she's mental too. all that crying was pitiful. her unrealistic ignorant expectations? pitiful too. plain ignorant to expect anything else.

if you get offended suck it in, good lord. face the situation with a little grace and then leave, not so hard. she's a spoiled tard.


it was like watching trailer trash on vacation. i felt sick watching it.

another bad image of america out there for people. f*ck that b*tch!


 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
her vietnamese family was a little f^cked up, probably has a skewed idea of what americans are.. rich rich peeps! :p

Er... they are, compared to economic conditions in Vietnam.

 

0roo0roo

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funny thing was that less then a year ago they had another documentary where a whole group of kids went back to vietnam to visit the parents that gave them up. whats amazing is the contrast. those kids handled it with grace.
 

imported_Tomato

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
funny thing was that less then a year ago they had another documentary where a whole group of kids went back to visit the parents that gave them up. whats amazing is the contrast. those kids handled it with grace.

Do you remember the title of that documentary?
 

0roo0roo

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#@% i can't remember. i just remember that these were the kids flown out during the last days of vietnam and adopted by american families.

 

CChaos

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Hmm. Raising someone in the culturally bankrupt US of A fuct them up you say? Pardon me if I'm not too shocked here.