Paycheck Fairness Act

[Atreus21]

Markets rely on the free flow of information, something the company is trying to restrict. I'm fine with government sorting that out.

To an extent. Companies have to keep some things confidential.

 

[Ausm]

Oh I never said only Dems do it. Reps do it too.

Ok just checking. I apologize for my post.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

:thumbsup:

:thumbsup: x 2

I think there's hope for our good friend Ausm.

 

[Phokus]

I think everyone should support this measure, not just women. If people knew if they were underpaid, compared to their peers, people would jump and pay would rise for EVERYONE.

It's not surprising conservatives would support employers efforts to keep worker's pay down though.

 

[Atreus21]

Ok just checking. I apologize for my post.

No apologies dude. You didn't say anything nasty.

 

[pauldun170]

While I would have to read more into the pay gap, I have always thought that employers being able to punish their workers for telling each other how much they make is bullshit.

Being forced to publicly disclose salary restricts the ability to of private industry to employ talent.
If a two candidates come in and on paper (as defined by the law and all the "activists") they are equal in some quantifiable way, the average person will say "They should make equal money, hence both offered the same salary"

What if candidate A is simply a better fit for the company?
Shouldn't the employer be able to offer more money to the more desirable candidate?
What if it is known that other companies are pursuing the preferred candidate and the other company is offering more?
This act opens up the possibility that companies will face legal action simply for aggressively pursuing candidates.

 

[Atreus21]

I think everyone should support this measure, not just women. If people knew if they were underpaid, compared to their peers, people would jump and pay would rise for EVERYONE.

It's not surprising conservatives would support employers efforts to keep worker's pay down though.

Yes, nothing like getting government to mandate the cultivation of in-workplace envy to foment a rebellion against the greedy overlords.

I hope I get fired if I ever treat my employer like that, given how good they've been to me.

 

[nehalem256]

Ask yourself this question, if you could hide this fact from other workers what would stop you if you thought that person was worth it?

So you are arguing men are paid more because they are worth more? :hmm:

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013...ct-would-allow-employees-to-discuss-salaries/



I echo the first comment I saw: Bite me.

We don't need government to dictate anymore than it already is. The pay gap has been so utterly exposed as a myth that it's a wonder people are either ignorant of it or clinging to some semblance of victimhood for its political utility. Pathetic.

Let me show cliff notes:

Women: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

O RLY? Women that were previously known for being skill-less and "in the kitchen" aren't instantaneously just as skilled/paid as men? DO TELL MORE! Color me surprised!

 

[schneiderguy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/business/economy/04leonhardt.html?_r=1&

"A recent study of business school graduates from the University of Chicago found that in the early years after graduating, men and women had “nearly identical labor incomes and weekly hours worked.” Men and women also paid a similar career price for taking off or working part time. Women, however, were vastly more likely to do so.

As a result, 15 years after graduation, the men were making about 75 percent more than the women. The study — done by Marianne Bertrand, Claudia Goldin and Lawrence Katz — did find one subgroup of women whose careers resembled those of men: women who had no children and never took time off."

tl;dr: The gender pay gap is caused by personal choices made by women.

 

[actuarial]

This looks ripe for abuse, costly litigation, and paperwork out the ass. Perfect for big govt types who like to stimulate demand by hiring lawyers to sort out the laws they enact. For business and the rest of us? A nightmare waiting to happen.

And that's why I don't like the law in general, but it depends on the actual implementation.

There's way too much fluff in this. Keep the no retaliation for releasing your own salary info, the part that women can sue for punitive damages on pay equity, and maybe have it that employers need to show justification for salary differential in the case they are sued.

I'm always weary of anything that forces you to 'prove your innocence', but in this case it is nearly impossible to prove guilt and it's be a civil matter.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

how bout they cap CEO pay to fixed ratio of the average/median for non-exec employees. That would be the real paycheck fairness act

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/business/economy/04leonhardt.html?_r=1&



tl;dr: The gender pay gap is caused by personal choices made by women.

WHAT?! NO!

Just like racism, It is because corporations are SEXIST RACIST PIGS! OMG! I MUST BLAME SOMETHING AND FIND SOMETHING TO PULL MORE MONEY FROM! UGH!

You're just a mindless fascist corporation pig!

 

[actuarial]

Being forced to publicly disclose salary restricts the ability to of private industry to employ talent.
If a two candidates come in and on paper (as defined by the law and all the "activists") they are equal in some quantifiable way, the average person will say "They should make equal money, hence both offered the same salary"

What if candidate A is simply a better fit for the company?
Shouldn't the employer be able to offer more money to the more desirable candidate?
What if it is known that other companies are pursuing the preferred candidate and the other company is offering more?
This act opens up the possibility that companies will face legal action simply for aggressively pursuing candidates.

Are employers forced to publicly disclose salary? It didn't seem that way from that article.

There is a huge difference between not punishing those who choose to disclose their personal salary and disclosing the salaries of the entire organization.

 

[fskimospy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/business/economy/04leonhardt.html?_r=1&



tl;dr: The gender pay gap is caused by personal choices made by women.

Personal choices that happen to be necessary for the continued existence of humanity.

 

[nehalem256]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/business/economy/04leonhardt.html?_r=1&

tl;dr: The gender pay gap is caused by personal choices made by women.

So this is exactly the same as the Democrats stance on all issues relating to women:

Women should not have negative consequences for their choices.

 

[nehalem256]

Personal choices that happen to be necessary for the continued existence of humanity.

So you are conceding the gender pay gap is a myth and you are in fact arguing for equal pay for unequal work.

Thanks for the honesty.

What this is about is liberals being butt-hurt that women and men are different.

 

[Ausm]

So you are arguing men are paid more because they are worth more? :hmm:

:''(

 

[pauldun170]

I think everyone should support this measure, not just women. If people knew if they were underpaid, compared to their peers, people would jump and pay would rise for EVERYONE.

It's not surprising conservatives would support employers efforts to keep worker's pay down though.

Market conditions define pay scales and it is up the individual to promote wage growth.

Its healthy for employers to battle it out with employees over wages.
No one should be entitled to a defined "pay range". It should be constant battle defined by the laws of supply and demand.

 

[fskimospy]

So you are conceding the gender pay gap is a myth and you are in fact arguing for equal pay for unequal work.

Thanks for the honesty.

What this is about is liberals being butt-hurt that women and men are different.

No, I'm saying that some contributions to society are taken for granted when they shouldn't be.

There is no need to go over your extreme hatred of women again, so don't expect me to play that game.

 

[Atreus21]

Personal choices that happen to be necessary for the continued existence of humanity.

Not just that. They tend to choose less-dangerous professions which make less money, for one thing.

 

[nehalem256]

No, I'm saying that some contributions to society are taken for granted when they shouldn't be.

There is no need to go over your extreme hatred of women again, so don't expect me to play that game.

Arguing for equal pay for equal work has nothing to do with hatred of anyone.

You are butt-hurt that your liberal agenda has been exposed for a lie. Deal with it.

 

[Phokus]

Yes, nothing like getting government to mandate the cultivation of in-workplace envy to foment a rebellion against the greedy overlords.

I hope I get fired if I ever treat my employer like that, given how good they've been to me.

What rebellion? If you don't like it, you can find another job. And that's what underpaid people would do.

 

[fskimospy]

Not just that. They tend to choose less-dangerous professions which make less money, for one thing.

Possible, but the quote wasn't addressing that. It was basically saying that women can make as much money as men if they just never have children. Considering these people are likely to be among our best and brightest and that children are pretty important to our society continuing to exist, this hardly seems like something we want to encourage.

 

[pauldun170]

Are employers forced to publicly disclose salary? It didn't seem that way from that article.

There is a huge difference between not punishing those who choose to disclose their personal salary and disclosing the salaries of the entire organization.

I may have gone off on tangent...dont mind me.
But to respond

Salary information is confidential\proprietary information.
It is not in the employers best interest if its employees go around blabbing salary information.
Its gives competitors an advantage, it disrupts the work environment.
On the grand scale companies will share employment info because its required by law but if employee A spills the beans to employee B that they earn a different amount then it creates a problem.

The first instinct of many is to call the discrimination card and then that opens up legal nonsense.

You end up spending millions in the courts all because one employee asked for a bigger raise one year and got it while the other just sat quietly and accepted what was offered.