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Pay Grades in the US Armed Forces

Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.
 
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.

a cool grand to live off base is nice.
 
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.
I get 4 weeks off a year plus holidays and 2 personal days now. And I did figure my pay to include housing/nuke/fsa all the extra bells and whistles. An E8 Nuke ET at 17 years gets paid almost $2K a month less than I do now AND they have to go to sea for exorbitant amounts of time. They (and all enlisted guys) get paid far too little for their responsibilites IMHO.
 
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.

That 30 days vacation is not as great as it seems when you realize someone in the armed services does not get holidays off, often works weekends, and is far from home even on the rare time not on duty. Then throw in shiftwork and 24 hour duty every third day for a sailor or possibly living in a battle zone for a soldier and it gets even worse.

A housing allowance is typically only provided if you are married since single people are usually provided a place to sleep on the ship or in barracks. Additionally, housing around military bases is usually piss poor.

Interestingly, I am making as much now with an engineering degree as I would be if I had stayed in the Navy as enlisted, been lucky enough to achieve E-8, and continue to receive submarine duty pay. I am also making about the same as if I was to obtain a commission and reenter service. It would be good to do what I can to stay above that marker.
 
Originally posted by: chusteczka
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.

That 30 days vacation is not as great as it seems when you realize someone in the armed services does not get holidays off, often works weekends, and is far from home even on the rare time not on duty. Then throw in shiftwork and 24 hour duty every third day for a sailor or possibly living in a battle zone for a soldier and it gets even worse.


And even if you are state-side and working a 9 to 5 job you're expected to take leave if you're out of the "local area" over a weekend. Not always enforced, but you can get in some sh|t if you don't.

A housing allowance is typically only provided if you are married since single people are usually provided a place to sleep on the ship or in barracks. Additionally, housing around military bases is usually piss poor.

I got a housing allowance when I was single in the Air Force.

Interestingly, I am making as much now with an engineering degree as I would be if I had stayed in the Navy as enlisted, been lucky enough to achieve E-8, and continue to receive submarine duty pay. I am also making about the same as if I was to obtain a commission and reenter service. It would be good to do what I can to stay above that marker.
 
Originally posted by: Armitage
Originally posted by: chusteczka
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.

That 30 days vacation is not as great as it seems when you realize someone in the armed services does not get holidays off, often works weekends, and is far from home even on the rare time not on duty. Then throw in shiftwork and 24 hour duty every third day for a sailor or possibly living in a battle zone for a soldier and it gets even worse.


And even if you are state-side and working a 9 to 5 job you're expected to take leave if you're out of the "local area" over a weekend. Not always enforced, but you can get in some sh|t if you don't.

A housing allowance is typically only provided if you are married since single people are usually provided a place to sleep on the ship or in barracks. Additionally, housing around military bases is usually piss poor.

I got a housing allowance when I was single in the Air Force.

Interestingly, I am making as much now with an engineering degree as I would be if I had stayed in the Navy as enlisted, been lucky enough to achieve E-8, and continue to receive submarine duty pay. I am also making about the same as if I was to obtain a commission and reenter service. It would be good to do what I can to stay above that marker.

At what grade though?

You're pretty much screwed if you're a E-4 or below and single in my neck of the woods. Its become a huge benefit for people to get married... marriage pay + BAS and stuff adds up nicely.
 
Originally posted by: Rent
Originally posted by: chusteczka
Interestingly, I am making as much now with an engineering degree as I would be if I had stayed in the Navy as enlisted, been lucky enough to achieve E-8, and continue to receive submarine duty pay. I am also making about the same as if I was to obtain a commission and reenter service. It would be good to do what I can to stay above that marker.
At what grade though?

You're pretty much screwed if you're a E-4 or below and single in my neck of the woods. Its become a huge benefit for people to get married... marriage pay + BAS and stuff adds up nicely.

To provide a basis, I left enlisted service as an E-5 after 6 years with 4.5 years at sea. I enlisted in 1989 and was discharged for college in 1995.

I am currently earning $48,000 in my first year after graduation with an engineering/Computer Science Bachelor's Degree with a position migrating data from an IBM/Nomad database to Unix/Oracle with some insurance report writing thrown in. Yes, it did take me nine years to obtain my bachelor's degree but it was not easy after being away from school for those six years of active duty and I have earned 168 semester credit hours during this time.

If I had stayed in since my enlistment in 1989, currently as an E-7 with 16 years service, sea pay of 10 years, and submarine duty pay would be:
$41,220 base pay + $4,860 sub pay + $6,000 sea pay = $52,080/year.

This estimation, with the luck to earn E-8 with 16 years service, my pay would currently be:
$45,036 base pay + $4,980 sub pay + $6,000 sea pay = $56,000/year.
This includes sea pay (estimated 10 years) and submarine duty pay.

My best possible enlisted pay capacity would have been $45,000/year, base pay. Retirement would be calculated from this amount.

Now, as an O-2E with over 6 years service if I was to reenter service now with a position as an officer on a surface ship, I would earn:
$46,224 base pay (6 years) + $3,120 sea pay (5 years) = $49,300/year.
O-2 is received after 6 months service as an O-1 and I would not return to submarine duty for a few different reasons.

To estimate earnings after two years service from now, as an O-3E with over 8 years service and sea pay (6 years), I would be earning:
$56,736 base pay (8 years) + $3,180 (6 years) = $59,900.

I see I would like to negotiate salary increases to at least match that amount in two years but I am happy knowing that I am not out at sea.

My base pay capacity as an O-4 with 20 years service would be $73,404. As an O-5 with 20 years, this would be $84,000 base pay. These are the numbers I expect to beat.
 
Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Hahaha, I just looked at what I'd be making if I'd stayed in and I make about $2K more per month now. Plus I don't have to go out to sea.

Those guys just don't make enough money for the jobs they do.

You get an incredible amount of vacation (~30 days I think) plus you get housing allowances.

It doesn't really work out to 30 days though because you have to use your leave on the weekends.

Let's say you want to take 1 weeks worth of leave to go home and visit the family. You have to take 7 of your leave days, not just 5 like you would in a civilian job.
 
Had I stayed in and made e-5 I would be making a cool 44K equivenlant right now

ANd I could have gotten free college.

ANd that does not include and VHA or Sea Pay!!

And the commisary (I meiss the commisary)
 
I also think it is imporetant to relieze that whle many people think that We poay too little lets look at the facts.

1. Single enlisted do not need pay for food or shelter. (it is provided) unless you opt-out.
2. The retirement is second to none as far as benifits and pay. (show me somewhere else that after 20 you get 50% of you pays as well as FULL medical for you family until you die)

Let's say you were a DECENT enlisted and you went to 20 years and made e-6. You would receive ~1500 a month as well as medical coverage for you and dependants.

and after you retire the military will move you where ever you would like to start this reitred life.

Show me somewhere else you can get that
 
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