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Paul Ryan's Budget, is this true?

ManSnake

ManSnake

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I haven't been following politics for a while because these days all I hear is breaking news about flight MH370.

I received an email today from DNC HQ (whoever that is) that talks about Ryan's budget. This person wants me to sign a petition against Ryan's budget. Since I can't verify the claims contained in the email, I would like the experts on this forum to weigh in and let me know if the following content from the email is truthful:

Paul Ryan Budget

-Repeal Obamacare (kicking millions of people off their new plans)
-Turn Medicare into a voucher program
-Raise taxes on middle-class families with children by an average of $2000
-Give a huge tax break to the wealthiest Americans
-Devastating cuts to:
-education
-medical research
-public works
-job training
-food stamps
 
"the experts on this forum"

Wow! 😱

Anyway, yup, Ryan's budget proposal is laying the legislative brickwork for a run at the Whitehouse in 2016. He knows his goofy ideas won't become law or even be the starting point of discussion for a final budget. He rolled it out so he can refer to it in future campaign blather.
 
LOL.

Sounds like all the usual scare-tactic Dim bell-ringing to drive their core lemmings into a frenzy.


Look down at the bottom of the page... in bright red flashing letters:

**KOCH!! KOCH!!! KOCH!! KOCH!!WALMART!!KOCH!!HOBBY-LOBBY!!!KOCH!!!KOCH!!!!**
 
ManSnake said:
I haven't been following politics for a while because these days all I hear is breaking news about flight MH370.

I received an email today from DNC HQ (whoever that is) that talks about Ryan's budget. This person wants me to sign a petition against Ryan's budget. Since I can't verify the claims contained in the email, I would like the experts on this forum to weigh in and let me know if the following content from the email is truthful:

Paul Ryan Budget

-Repeal Obamacare (kicking millions of people off their new plans)
-Turn Medicare into a voucher program
-Raise taxes on middle-class families with children by an average of $2000
-Give a huge tax break to the wealthiest Americans
-Devastating cuts to:
-education
-medical research
-public works
-job training
-food stamps
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I've bolded the ones that I know are true, I'd have to do a little research to check out the other ones.
It also doesn't mention that not only does his budget not cut anything from the military, it actually increases military spending.
 
thraashman said:
I've bolded the ones that I know are true, I'd have to do a little research to check out the other ones.
It also doesn't mention that not only does his budget not cut anything from the military, it actually increases military spending.
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This seems to confirm the tax break for wealthiest Americans part.
 
Post about some stuff you are fearful a repbulican may do: you are FUCKING crazy, you peice of fibbing shit!!!

Post about some stuff you are fearful a democrat may do: I bet the blind fucking sheeple of the 'great' leader will dispute this shit, what the fucking shit?!
 
Newell Steamer said:
Post about some stuff you are fearful a repbulican may do: you are FUCKING crazy, you peice of fibbing shit!!!

Post about some stuff you are fearful a democrat may do: I bet the blind fucking sheeple of the 'great' leader will dispute this shit, what the fucking shit?!
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I would post the same thing no matter who it was. What was posted is obvious propaganda, and therefor not to be believed. I mean really, it is the basest form of fear mongering. Who believes this stuff?
 
SMOGZINN said:
I would post the same thing no matter who it was. What was posted is obvious propaganda, and therefor not to be believed. I mean really, it is the basest form of fear mongering. Who believes this stuff?
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Most of these are easily verifiable. The GOP doesn't even attempt to hide the fact that they are in the pockets of the rich. They don't need to.
 
Zaap said:
LOL.

Sounds like all the usual scare-tactic Dim bell-ringing to drive their core lemmings into a frenzy.


Look down at the bottom of the page... in bright red flashing letters:

**KOCH!! KOCH!!! KOCH!! KOCH!!WALMART!!KOCH!!HOBBY-LOBBY!!!KOCH!!!KOCH!!!!**
Click to expand...


Feel free to read the budget yourself and point out the lies:

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy14budget.pdf

$5 says his dumb ass won't accept the challenge.


OP, I suggest you read his proposal yourself, it's written in plan English with the main points of his plan bolded.
 
thraashman said:
I've bolded the ones that I know are true, I'd have to do a little research to check out the other ones.
It also doesn't mention that not only does his budget not cut anything from the military, it actually increases military spending.
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yeah, pretty much. the ones you've bolded have been in his previous budgets, and have been voted on and squashed in the past. So it's easy to verify those.

dude is a whackadoo.
 
Isn't this latest budget mostly a retread of his previous budget that did most all of these same things?

Edit: OK, yes, well established whackadoo.
 
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ManSnake said:
I haven't been following politics for a while because these days all I hear is breaking news about flight MH370.

I received an email today from DNC HQ (whoever that is) that talks about Ryan's budget. This person wants me to sign a petition against Ryan's budget. Since I can't verify the claims contained in the email, I would like the experts on this forum to weigh in and let me know if the following content from the email is truthful:

Paul Ryan Budget

-Repeal Obamacare (kicking millions of people off their new plans)
-Turn Medicare into a voucher program
-Raise taxes on middle-class families with children by an average of $2000
-Give a huge tax break to the wealthiest Americans
-Devastating cuts to:
-education
-medical research
-public works
-job training
-food stamps
Click to expand...

I'm a CPA and was, once, paid by a large multinational acctg firm to follow and analyze such things.

My advice: Ignore it, and ignore what others say about it.

These things are seriously complicated. +99.99% of those speaking about it don't fully understand it and their remarks are politically motivated. Most importantly, it'll never be put into effect. It's a waste of time to bother with it.

Fern
 
Yes, by all means, just ignore all the terrible Republican policy proposals. These terrible things that never get put into effect. Like tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.
 
ManSnake said:
I haven't been following politics for a while because these days all I hear is breaking news about flight MH370.

I received an email today from DNC HQ (whoever that is) that talks about Ryan's budget. This person wants me to sign a petition against Ryan's budget. Since I can't verify the claims contained in the email, I would like the experts on this forum to weigh in and let me know if the following content from the email is truthful:

Paul Ryan Budget

-Repeal Obamacare (kicking millions of people off their new plans)
-Turn Medicare into a voucher program
-Raise taxes on middle-class families with children by an average of $2000
-Give a huge tax break to the wealthiest Americans
-Devastating cuts to:
-education
-medical research
-public works
-job training
-food stamps
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It's all about context.

If we compare the proposed budget to the previous year's budget, sure it looks like "devastating cuts". If we compare the proposed budget to the budgets prior to the stimulus plan's explosion of spending, the cuts no longer appear so "devastating".
 
ManSnake said:
-Devastating cuts to:
-job training
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For instance, here's the line from the budget that this comes from:

It improves accountability by calling for the consolidation of duplicative federal job-training programs into more targeted career-scholarship programs.
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So whether the DNC is being truthful or not depends on whether you believe the various job training programs are redundant and wasteful, or not. There isn't a clear-cut "this is evil" statement on job training.



ivwshane said:
Feel free to read the budget yourself and point out the lies:

http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/fy14budget.pdf

$5 says his dumb ass won't accept the challenge.

OP, I suggest you read his proposal yourself, it's written in plan English with the main points of his plan bolded.
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Is there ever a time you don't feel the need to resort to childish insults to "win" an online argument?
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
Yes, by all means, just ignore all the terrible Republican policy proposals. These terrible things that never get put into effect. Like tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of everyone else.
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For quite some time I was tasked with analyzing every proposal. 99% of proposals never go anywhere. They just die a quiet death.

Believe me, it's a waste of time.

After things are debated and amended etc and it's actually going to get a vote, then it's time to pay attention.

Then you'll have to pay attention again because the Senate will put out their version.

Then you'll have to pay attention again because a third version will be put out by the Conference Committee.

Yeah, right now it's a waste of time.

Fern
 
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