Paul Manafort hatched ’05 plan to push pro-Putin propaganda in US media

[momeNt]

Not if you are working against the interests of the USA.

So you cannot be a a contractor on policy and draft up policy that is against the interests of the USA, and.... continue to be a citizen of the USA? Hired on as a campaign manager of a candidate?

What standard are you using for this? As far as I know only have official policy about having business deals with Iran, I know of nothing with Russia.

I accept what fski said about his failure to disclose and lying about his connection to Russia, obviously we need better than that. But the fact that he was hired by a Russian aluminum magnate is not the problem.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So you cannot be a a contractor on policy and draft up policy that is against the interests of the USA, and.... continue to be a citizen of the USA? Hired on as a campaign manager of a candidate?

What standard are you using for this? As far as I know only have official policy about having business deals with Iran, I know of nothing with Russia.

I accept what fski said about his failure to disclose and lying about his connection to Russia, obviously we need better than that. But the fact that he was hired by a Russian aluminum magnate is not the problem.

It depends if it violated the Foreign Agents Registration Act. I'll admit I haven't looked into the details that closely but there are laws, however selectively applied, that can be applicable here.

 

[Thebobo]

Paul Manafort had the Republican Party platform changed to weaken NATO's support of Ukraine against Russia

Mr Fertilizer, Dmitry Rybolovlev buys a Trump mansion that was worth 40 million for 100 million.

Later Mr Fertilizer lands his luxury plane as the same tarmac as Trump plane for several hours.

Later Trump himself ask for the change in the plank in the republican platform, to leave out supporting Ukraine.

Anyway I would read this its a lot better than my bable.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article136939868.html

 

[VRAMdemon]

this story is interesting. Paul Manafort's family's text messages were hacked (the hacking was confirmed by Manafort himself) with some pretty interesting quotes:

“Dad and Trump are literally living in the same building and mom says they go up and down all day long hanging and plotting together,” Jessica Manafort wrote.

“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”

In another hacked exchange a few months later with someone else, Andrea Manafort wrote that her father’s “work and payment in Ukraine is legally questionable.”

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

Her sister Andrea Manafort responded by referring to their father’s relationship with Trump as “The most dangerous friendship in America,” while in another exchange she called them “a perfect pair” of “power-hungry egomaniacs,” and asserted “the only reason my dad is doing this campaign is for sport. He likes the challenge. It's like an egomaniac's chess game. There's no money motivation.”

 

[VRAMdemon]

Alternatively - Would it be surprising if Manafort comes down with a nasty case of the poloniums.?

 

[Fern]

Mr Fertilizer, Dmitry Rybolovlev buys a Trump mansion that was worth 40 million for 100 million.
-snip-

Uh, no. That's not even close.

Fern

 

[Thebobo]

And what has happened to the missing british spy Christopher Steele? I know he allegedly turned up in england at his work but that was a videotape handed out to the press.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

It'd be nice to know details about the plan proposed outside of some model to do something to help the Putin government, but until then, yeah obviously not the best appearance. I never heard the story of Manafort's daughter's phone being hacked, those messages look pretty crazy.

 

[Thebobo]

Uh, no. That's not even close.

Fern

Ok excuse me 95 Million. http://www.tampabay.com/news/politi...ay-so-much-for-mansion-owned-by-trump/2316032

 

[Fern]

Ok excuse me 95 Million. http://www.tampabay.com/news/politi...ay-so-much-for-mansion-owned-by-trump/2316032

You said it was worth $40M

Trump bought it for $41M or so and then invested another $25 M into it. Should have been worth at least $66M, not 40.

It was valued at $125M, but '08 (beginning of R/E slide) Trump settled for the $95M.

Value for a property like is damn near impossible to determine. Not many comps around.

There's really nothing unusual about the transaction except the size of the $'s. Trump bought before/during the R/E boom and then got out at the right time.

Fern

 

[ivwshane]

You said it was worth $40M

Trump bought it for $41M or so and then invested another $25 M into it. Should have been worth at least $66M, not 40.

It was valued at $125M, but '08 (beginning of R/E slide) Trump settled for the $95M.

Value for a property like is damn near impossible to determine. Not many comps around.

There's really nothing unusual about the transaction except the size of the $'s. Trump bought before/during the R/E boom and then got out at the right time.

Fern

Link to 25 million in improvements please.

 

[zinfamous]

this story is interesting. Paul Manafort's family's text messages were hacked (the hacking was confirmed by Manafort himself) with some pretty interesting quotes:

“Dad and Trump are literally living in the same building and mom says they go up and down all day long hanging and plotting together,” Jessica Manafort wrote.

“Don't fool yourself,” Andrea Manafort wrote. “That money we have is blood money.”

In another hacked exchange a few months later with someone else, Andrea Manafort wrote that her father’s “work and payment in Ukraine is legally questionable.”

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

Her sister Andrea Manafort responded by referring to their father’s relationship with Trump as “The most dangerous friendship in America,” while in another exchange she called them “a perfect pair” of “power-hungry egomaniacs,” and asserted “the only reason my dad is doing this campaign is for sport. He likes the challenge. It's like an egomaniac's chess game. There's no money motivation.”

Nothing to see here. Let's go back to those Podesta risotto recipes: the real conspiracy!

 

[zinfamous]

You said it was worth $40M

Trump bought it for $41M or so and then invested another $25 M into it. Should have been worth at least $66M, not 40.

It was valued at $125M, but '08 (beginning of R/E slide) Trump settled for the $95M.

Value for a property like is damn near impossible to determine. Not many comps around.

There's really nothing unusual about the transaction except the size of the $'s. Trump bought before/during the R/E boom and then got out at the right time.

Fern

and who's to say that $25 in renovations made it worth $25 million more than purchase? They are Trump renovations, after all, so the place probably looks like a nightmare of an Imperial French abortion. No one wants to live in that shit...OK, some ridiculous Russian oligarch maybe. You know: the type of style that poor people think rich people have.

Not one of us can actually say what the house was "worth" on purchase. But to value it at nearly 90% appreciation on the investment is patently absurd. For any type of property, that is completely nuts. AFAIK, no one is actually living there. You're not an idiot Fern, and you know that this is an indefensible money pot. And even if this were legit: you clearly have the non-controversial fact that this squarely puts Trump in the pockets of Russian oligarchy.

That isn't a single coked-up fantasy from the most ardent right wing Hillary hater about her mythical corruption and dealings that could come remotely close to these wide open deals that Trump has long been engaging in. He is now POTUS. stop pretending that any of this is, in any way, above board and in no way concerning.

The guy is compromised up his distended asshole. Even a middle schooler can see this.

 

[woolfe9998]

While I do not like this position and feel it is fairly transparent that it is in line with his personal interests, and more severely find it another significant failing on Trump's part to protect himself from outside interests, I can't say that such a position itself is criminal or evidence of conspiracy. Honestly, I wish I could. It would make things a lot simpler.

Both Trump and Manafort lied about it though. Trump went so far as to say that not only did his campaign have nothing to do with the RNC platform change, but that he had no knowledge of it at all, didn't even know what was in the platform. His statement is flatly contradicted by the RNC panelist who proposed the amendment and by Trump's own staffer GD Gordon.

Care to advance a theory about why Trump lied about this? The Steele dossier says that in July, 2017 that Trump agreed to shift US policy away from opposing Russian intervention in the Ukraine in exchange for Russia's release of the DNC e-mails, which happened a week later. While the dossier remains unverified, I can't think of another reason for Trump and Manafort to lie about this.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

and who's to say that $25 in renovations made it worth $25 million more than purchase? They are Trump renovations, after all, so the place probably looks like a nightmare of an Imperial French abortion. No one wants to live in that shit...OK, some ridiculous Russian oligarch maybe. You know: the type of style that poor people think rich people have.

Not one of us can actually say what the house was "worth" on purchase. But to value it at nearly 90% appreciation on the investment is patently absurd. For any type of property, that is completely nuts. AFAIK, no one is actually living there. You're not an idiot Fern, and you know that this is an indefensible money pot. And even if this were legit: you clearly have the non-controversial fact that this squarely puts Trump in the pockets of Russian oligarchy.

That isn't a single coked-up fantasy from the most ardent right wing Hillary hater about her mythical corruption and dealings that could come remotely close to these wide open deals that Trump has long been engaging in. He is now POTUS. stop pretending that any of this is, in any way, above board and in no way concerning.

The guy is compromised up his distended asshole. Even a middle schooler can see this.

Were you born after the housing bubble? It's not ancient history.

That's 33% appreciation just from timing alone, assuming large mansions are easily described according to an entire city's average (I'd imagine the bubble hit luxury property harder since more speculation will naturally be pumped there).

 

[ivwshane]

Were you born after the housing bubble? It's not ancient history.

That's 33% appreciation just from timing alone, assuming large mansions are easily described according to an entire city's average (I'd imagine the bubble hit luxury property harder since more speculation will naturally be pumped there).

We must not be reading the same chart. Trump bought the house in 2004/2005 and sold it in 2008, well into the housing burst. So how did the house appreciate by 33% and why would the fertilizer king buy it but never live in it?

 

[agent00f]

We must not be reading the same chart. Trump bought the house in 2004/2005 and sold it in 2008, well into the housing burst. So how did the house appreciate by 33% and why would the fertilizer king buy it but never live in it?

The only plausible legal explanation is that it's russian oligarchy looking to move money out of the country, and what better way than to also buy a favor from someone seen to have connections.

Guess it'll be a real mystery to conservatives why Trump might not look favorably on policy options like sanctions.

 

[Thebobo]

You said it was worth $40M

Trump bought it for $41M or so and then invested another $25 M into it. Should have been worth at least $66M, not 40.

It was valued at $125M, but '08 (beginning of R/E slide) Trump settled for the $95M.

Value for a property like is damn near impossible to determine. Not many comps around.

There's really nothing unusual about the transaction except the size of the $'s. Trump bought before/during the R/E boom and then got out at the right time.

Fern

I would of read the article first.

"Nonetheless, he went ahead and paid an exceptionally high, $50 million premium to Trump, then a real estate tycoon and reality show host, for a property he never sought to live in, not even on a part-time basis."


There is just to much Russian shit going on with trump and his clan. Way to much. I am going to bet Trump was involved in money laundering for the Russian Oligarchs.

 

[zinfamous]

I would of read the article first.

"Nonetheless, he went ahead and paid an exceptionally high, $50 million premium to Trump, then a real estate tycoon and reality show host, for a property he never sought to live in, not even on a part-time basis."


There is just to much Russian shit going on with trump and his clan. Way to much. I am going to bet Trump was involved in money laundering for the Russian Oligarchs.

I mean...duh. Here you have multiple cases of an open, irrefutable, single line drawn between Russian Oligarch, or Putin, or Putin stooge....to Trump.

"Nothing to see! You guys are all conspiracy wackos!"

When you have multiple levels of bi-partisan politicians, or non-political national and international business interests, through multiple degrees of separation and through various charitable institutions and actual development interests that do actual work for real people, ...but through the Clintons...it is instant "Criminals! Lock her up! The links are there! CAN'T YOU SEE IT???"

I mean, we've been living in this Twilight Zone of conservative nonsense for way the fuck too long. When are these goddamn idiots going to wake up and just resign themselves to eating their own shit for a year or so while the rest of the adults in the world get back to fixing their disasters, then rejoin us after growing up and ready to become adults again? Do they ever get sick of themselves, embarrassed for being so thoroughly conned, over and over and over again? I guess my main question: why are contemporary conservatives still conservatives, if this is their party?

 

[JSt0rm]

This guy needs to go in front of the firing squad.

 

[zinfamous]

This guy needs to go in front of the firing squad.

Do you think "Benedict Arnold" will eventually be replaced by "Manafort"?

I guess the difference is active war, but it's kinda the same thing: seeking pay to actively sabotage the institutions of your country. I know that in swearing-in ceremonies for naturalized citizens, it is understood that violated the oath not to do this (even in defense of your native country) is a revocation of your US citizenship.

 

[hal2kilo]

Link to 25 million in improvements please.

Yea, the story I saw, and the picture of the mansion I saw says there's no way 25 million was spent on improvements.

 

[zinfamous]

Yea, the story I saw, and the picture of the mansion I saw says there's no way 25 million was spent on improvements.

"Liberals are mad that Trump is doing the things that he said he was doing!"
"LoL--You can't take him literally! He didn't that the way he said it!"
"Trump said he spent $25 million! Who are you to say he wasn't being truthful?"

It is mind-boggling the things that these Trump dingleberries will convince of themselves in order defend this man who, through his own history and admission: absolutely despises them.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

and who's to say that $25 in renovations made it worth $25 million more than purchase? They are Trump renovations, after all, so the place probably looks like a nightmare of an Imperial French abortion. No one wants to live in that shit...OK, some ridiculous Russian oligarch maybe. You know: the type of style that poor people think rich people have.

Not one of us can actually say what the house was "worth" on purchase. But to value it at nearly 90% appreciation on the investment is patently absurd. For any type of property, that is completely nuts. AFAIK, no one is actually living there. You're not an idiot Fern, and you know that this is an indefensible money pot. And even if this were legit: you clearly have the non-controversial fact that this squarely puts Trump in the pockets of Russian oligarchy.

That isn't a single coked-up fantasy from the most ardent right wing Hillary hater about her mythical corruption and dealings that could come remotely close to these wide open deals that Trump has long been engaging in. He is now POTUS. stop pretending that any of this is, in any way, above board and in no way concerning.

The guy is compromised up his distended asshole. Even a middle schooler can see this.

Yea, the story I saw, and the picture of the mansion I saw says there's no way 25 million was spent on improvements.

What do you mean this is fabulous!

BTW heavily gold rooms are more Russian:

 

[woolfe9998]

I just thought of something hilarious. Remember the 1992 election, when they called Bill Clinton a "commie" for going to Moscow for a week in 1969 as a tourist? That wasn't OK, but it's OK that Trump's campaign manager is paid to spread Russian propaganda in US media. And his foreign policy expert Carter Page makes anti-US speeches in Russia. Also, Clinton was a "draft dodger." LOL. And "family values" now apparently includes serial adultery and sexual perversion. Oh, how times have changed for conservatives. Blacks is white; up is down.