Patriots TE Hernandez in big trouble

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Miramonti

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Looks pretty weak so far in proof Hernandez pulled the trigger. Wallace says Ortiz told him Hernandez pulled the trigger. That could just be Wallace covering his @ss, or perhaps Ortiz covering his @ss. It will be interesting to see if Ortiz testifies against Hernandez.

Really doesn't matter. Its the same charge for being the getaway driver or being the one to pull the trigger. Both guys will be charged with murder.
 

twinrider1

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...Wallace says Ortiz told him Hernandez pulled the trigger. That could just be Wallace covering his @ss, or perhaps Ortiz covering his @ss. It will be interesting to see if Ortiz testifies against Hernandez.

You have it backwards...
Ortiz told police that Ernest Wallace said Hernandez fired the shots that killed Odin Lloyd

But it is odd that we only have the comments from Ortiz. They have Wallace, why wouldn't they ask him directly? I can't imagine they haven't asked him point blank, 'Did you see Hernandez shoot Lloyd?'
Makes me think the prosecutor didn't really include everything in that release.
 

Wreckem

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You have it backwards...
Ortiz told police that Ernest Wallace said Hernandez fired the shots that killed Odin Lloyd

But it is odd that we only have the comments from Ortiz. They have Wallace, why wouldn't they ask him directly? I can't imagine they haven't asked him point blank, 'Did you see Hernandez shoot Lloyd?'
Makes me think the prosecutor didn't really include everything in that release.

There is speculation that Hernandez is paying for Wallace's attorney as Wallace can not afford the lawyer he has.
 

Wreckem

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Really doesn't matter. Its the same charge for being the getaway driver or being the one to pull the trigger. Both guys will be charged with murder.

Except, Wallace is being charged as accessory after the fact and Ortiz is just being charged with illegal possession of a fire arm.

I bet Hernandez's and Wallace's defense teams are going to try and say Ortiz was the trigger man and their clients had nothing to do with it. Although that's going to be hard to spin because they were all seen together before and after the shooting.
 

GagHalfrunt

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Really doesn't matter. Its the same charge for being the getaway driver or being the one to pull the trigger. Both guys will be charged with murder.

No, it's not. Maybe on the books it's the same charge, but in practice some will get a deal to testify against others. Everyone involved will be offered greatly reduced sentences on lesser charges to turn on Hernandez.
 

preslove

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Given that it was hernandez who rented the car, lured the victim to his execution, and covered up the evidence at his house, I don't think it really matters whether Hernandez pulled the trigger. Everything points to him being the ringleader.
 

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...w-aaron-hernandez-felt-his-life-was-in-danger

Report: Bill Belichick knew Aaron Hernandez felt 'life was in danger'

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...on-hernandez-was-heavy-drug-user-and-paranoid

Report: Aaron Hernandez was heavy drug user and paranoid

In what could turn out to be a bombshell article, the magazine will be publishing a cover story on Hernandez in its October issue. The magazine released a small preview of the story on Tuesday, a preview that will probably make you want to read the entire article.

Here are five revelations from the preview:
•Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust (PCP), and had become so paranoid over the last year that he carried a gun wherever he went.


•He surrounded himself with a cohort of gangsters, and cut himself off from his family and teammates.


•Hernandez had so infuriated his head coach, Bill Belichick, with missed practices and thug-life stunts, that he was one misstep from being cut.


•Both his parents, Dennis and Terri, had criminal records, as did much of his extended family.


•Terri allegedly cheated on Dennis before his death with a violent drug dealer named Jeffrey Cummings, then married Cummings after Dennis died and moved him into the house she shared with Aaron.

Although Rolling Stone only promised five revelations, they delivered on a sixth one and the sixth one might be the most damning.

From Rolling Stone:

In college [Hernandez's] coach [then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer] may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents -- an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar.

Unlike the first five revelations though, the magazine doesn't seem as sure about the Meyer revelation, using the word 'MAY have helped' isn't exactly an indictment on Meyer, so it will be definitely be interesting to see what exactly the magazine found to make the connection that Meyer covered-up anything for Hernandez.
 

SunnyD

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If Hernandez was such a heavy drug user, AND there were concerns of it coming out of college in the first place, how the hell wasn't he screened multiple times by the NFL over the last several years and not ended up suspended multiple times already?

I don't buy it.
 

Blackjack200

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If Hernandez was such a heavy drug user, AND there were concerns of it coming out of college in the first place, how the hell wasn't he screened multiple times by the NFL over the last several years and not ended up suspended multiple times already?

I don't buy it.

Because NFL drug testing is bullshit?

300 pound linemen running around like jack rabbits? Yeah, none of those guys are on anything. :whiste:
 

SunnyD

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Because NFL drug testing is bullshit?

300 pound linemen running around like jack rabbits? Yeah, none of those guys are on anything. :whiste:

I'll buy that. They test for 'roids, pot, adderol and want to test for HGH... but they probably completely gloss over coke, meth, crack, heroine, LSD, PCP, etc. That would explain this...
 

AMDZen

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I'll buy that. They test for 'roids, pot, adderol and want to test for HGH... but they probably completely gloss over coke, meth, crack, heroine, LSD, PCP, etc. That would explain this...

Did you not read the article about how he was smoking blunts every day?

The NFL tells you when you have to test, months in advance. You know when to be clean for your test. Its easy

And yes, Urban Meyer covered up for him at Florida where he was already involved in the death of persons along with two other players and he hid that from the NFL coaches and GM's when it came to drafting him. If all those details were known, even Bill Bellicheat may not have taken a chance on him
 

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Wait, so you're saying that talent lets you get away with a lot of things?

I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

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If Hernandez was such a heavy drug user, AND there were concerns of it coming out of college in the first place, how the hell wasn't he screened multiple times by the NFL over the last several years and not ended up suspended multiple times already?

I don't buy it.

I don't know about PCP (I doubt the league even screens for it), but cocaine metabolites only stay in the body for urine test purposes for, at most, 72 hours. Meth is about the same. A reasonably savvy player could get away with a lot of cocaine/crack/meth usage without ever being caught.
 
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nehalem256

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I don't know about PCP (I doubt the league even screens for it), but cocaine metabolites only stay in the body for urine test purposes for, at most, 72 hours. Meth is about the same. A reasonably savvy player could get away with a lot of cocaine/crack/meth usage without ever being caught.

You do realize we are talking about Aaron Hernandez right?

The guy who executed his friend a mile from his house and was caught going to and from his house with a gun on his own surveillance system, and left shell casings in his rental car that was used in the murder...:hmm: