Patriots TE Hernandez in big trouble

[actuarial]

The Patriots are offering exchanges on any Hernandez #81 jersey purchased before the murder...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-free-exchanges-on-hernandez-jerseys/related/

While this is a great gesture/act for the Patriots to do, it should have been done after he was found guilty of a crime. It doesn't look good for him but has innocent until proven guilty been completely thrown out the window?

Innocent until proven guilt has never applied to the court of public opinion. This is nothing new.

He was already released based on the event. I see that as much worse than an optional jersey buyback, in terms of presuming guilt.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Innocent until proven guilt has never applied to the court of public opinion. This is nothing new.

He was already released based on the event. I see that as much worse than an optional jersey buyback, in terms of presuming guilt.

he was released when they thought he was involved, before he was identified as the killer.

 

[spacejamz]

I also find it kinda crazy that the Dallas Cowboys still have Josh Brent on the team 7 months after the intoxicated manslaughter charge that killed a teammate and multiple counts of marijuana possession. The Cowboys organization (starting with Jerry Jones) is a joke, both on the field and in the front office

Heard on the radio the other day that he has failed two drug tests since the manslaughter charge....

 

[Nintendesert]

I also find it kinda crazy that the Dallas Cowboys still have Josh Brent on the team 7 months after the intoxicated manslaughter charge that killed a teammate and multiple counts of marijuana possession. The Cowboys organization (starting with Jerry Jones) is a joke, both on the field and in the front office

The mother of the dead player had requested it. It's nice to see you can pass judgement over Brent more righteously than the slain's own mother. :thumbsup:

 

[gorcorps]

People who invested in Paula Deen cookbooks and Hernandez jerseys are going to make a fortune.

Walmart has her pot/pan sets on sale. I bought one for my mom years ago for $100 on amazon, and Walmart had them for 70. Now's your chance!

 

[mike208]

The mother of the dead player had requested it. It's nice to see you can pass judgement over Brent more righteously than the slain's own mother. :thumbsup:

I'm a cowboys fan, and I have no problem with the mother of the dead player wanting the team to support Josh Brent. He made a dumb mistake and a man lost his life. I am sure he feels terrible about it. If thats all that had happened, then keeping him on the team isn't so bad. But not only did the guy make the first mistake, he has now made 2 more "mistakes" since. I'm ok with them letting him go. But jerry won't, even bad publicity brings attention to his team. I love the cowboys, hate Jerry jones.

 

[BUTCH1]

I'm betting that there are enough people buying the jerseys right now hoping that they'll increase to insure that they won't increase.

Ahhh, the "Twinkie" effect.....

 

[Nintendesert]

I'm a cowboys fan, and I have no problem with the mother of the dead player wanting the team to support Josh Brent. He made a dumb mistake and a man lost his life. I am sure he feels terrible about it. If thats all that had happened, then keeping him on the team isn't so bad. But not only did the guy make the first mistake, he has now made 2 more "mistakes" since. I'm ok with them letting him go. But jerry won't, even bad publicity brings attention to his team. I love the cowboys, hate Jerry jones.

I might have missed it, but Brent isn't being charged with marijuana possession. He's failing drug tests.

Josh Brent is getting charged for the manslaughter, but in situations like that, all parties in the vehicle are equally culpable.

The guy is sitting in jail now so he shouldn't be making anymore headlines now anyways.

 

[mike208]

I might have missed it, but Brent isn't being charged with marijuana possession. He's failing drug tests.

Josh Brent is getting charged for the manslaughter, but in situations like that, all parties in the vehicle are equally culpable.

The guy is sitting in jail now so he shouldn't be making anymore headlines now anyways.

I agree, both parties are culpable of what happened that night. They both made it mistake. Jerry Brown already paid for it with his life, and Brent may pay for it with jail time. But he knows as a part of his probation he can't have drugs or alcohol and twice now he has failed to follow those rules. Thats just dumb, and if for no other reason than his stupidity I think the cowboys should cut him.

 

[Nintendesert]

I agree, both parties are culpable of what happened that night. They both made it mistake. Jerry Brown already paid for it with his life, and Brent may pay for it with jail time. But he knows as a part of his probation he can't have drugs or alcohol and twice now he has failed to follow those rules. Thats just dumb, and if for no other reason than his stupidity I think the cowboys should cut him.

Unfortunately the cut should have come on day 1 if it was going to happen. Now the damage is already done, the Patriots cut Hernandez quickly because they knew more and more would trickle out and attach their name to him and the crimes.

I personally think what the Cowboys are trying to do for Brent is noble, I personally don't think the NFL as a whole does nearly enough to prepare young kids to be multimillionaires and doesn't take care of them nearly enough once they leave football.

The military for instance has similar problems with kids joining and all of a sudden having a lot (relative to what they had) disposable income and then leaving in a few years with lingering injuries and scars. The NFL and military should cooperate and share information much more than on just the traumatic brain injury stuff.

Now granted you can't help everyone, but the NFL has the resources to at least make the attempt. Maybe it will cut down on some of the stuff like Junior Seau and other tragedies.

 

[BUTCH1]

Unfortunately the cut should have come on day 1 if it was going to happen. Now the damage is already done, the Patriots cut Hernandez quickly because they knew more and more would trickle out and attach their name to him and the crimes.

I personally think what the Cowboys are trying to do for Brent is noble, I personally don't think the NFL as a whole does nearly enough to prepare young kids to be multimillionaires and doesn't take care of them nearly enough once they leave football.

The military for instance has similar problems with kids joining and all of a sudden having a lot (relative to what they had) disposable income and then leaving in a few years with lingering injuries and scars. The NFL and military should cooperate and share information much more than on just the traumatic brain injury stuff.

Now granted you can't help everyone, but the NFL has the resources to at least make the attempt. Maybe it will cut down on some of the stuff like Junior Seau and other tragedies.

Junior Seau's mental state was (according to some) the result of repeated head trauma, his wife said he had mini-concussions but was determined to play anyway. There are studies underway as to how repeated head blows/trauma relate to severe depression but in Hernandez's case I doubt it was an issue as he is only 23. Maybe the brain just isn't built for the types of collisions that happen in the NFL and nobody want's to believe it, we all love football so much..

 

[mike208]

Unfortunately the cut should have come on day 1 if it was going to happen. Now the damage is already done, the Patriots cut Hernandez quickly because they knew more and more would trickle out and attach their name to him and the crimes.

I personally think what the Cowboys are trying to do for Brent is noble, I personally don't think the NFL as a whole does nearly enough to prepare young kids to be multimillionaires and doesn't take care of them nearly enough once they leave football.

The military for instance has similar problems with kids joining and all of a sudden having a lot (relative to what they had) disposable income and then leaving in a few years with lingering injuries and scars. The NFL and military should cooperate and share information much more than on just the traumatic brain injury stuff.

Now granted you can't help everyone, but the NFL has the resources to at least make the attempt. Maybe it will cut down on some of the stuff like Junior Seau and other tragedies.

Oh well maybe thats where we are differing. Even though Jerry browns mother asked the team to support Josh brent, I don't think thats why the team is doing it. Again I think it comes down to Jerry Jones being all about him, his money and his team that makes him money. Even the publicity of Brent getting sent back to jail gets attention on his team. He doesn't seem to care that its not good attention.

I would just prefer they cut him, but I know it won't happen.

 

[techs]

I am 100 percent against drunk driving. But millions of people do it. Then those unfortunate times someone gets killed everyone jumps on the bandwagon and wants to crucify the person.

Geez, what percentage of the population has driven drunk at least once?

 

[Nintendesert]

Junior Seau's mental state was (according to some) the result of repeated head trauma, his wife said he had mini-concussions but was determined to play anyway. There are studies underway as to how repeated head blows/trauma relate to severe depression but in Hernandez's case I doubt it was an issue as he is only 23. Maybe the brain just isn't built for the types of collisions that happen in the NFL and nobody want's to believe it, we all love football so much..

Well this too is an area we're not sure about due to peewee football through High School and College. I think there are sensible changes that need to be made to include forcing players to use the more protective helmets instead of making it voluntary.

Now, are Aaron Hernandez's problems a result of concussions? Probably not, it's probably a thug mentality and he may very well simply be a gangbanger that could play football.

There is more scrutiny to the acceptable lifestyle however that needs to be done. How many stories do we hear about football players getting in trouble at strip clubs and out partying? That all ties to the instantly rich young man with a lot of testosterone and time in the off-season. I wish I had an answer on how you mitigate that kind of risk for these kids, but part of it might be not giving them so much money and forcing trust funds for their pay. I'm not sure, but even with lotto winners we see a lot of ultimately self-destructive behavior when someone is made instantly rich.

Instead of paying with huge lumpsums the pay is done over a lifetime or 30 years etc.

 

[mike208]

I am 100 percent against drunk driving. But millions of people do it. Then those unfortunate times someone gets killed everyone jumps on the bandwagon and wants to crucify the person.

Geez, what percentage of the population has driven drunk at least once?

Well in the case of Josh brent it wasn't just drunk driving, it was reckless(I believe in excess of 100mph) drunk driving. True a lot of people will drive while intoxicated. But I think the majority of them are ones who at least think they are ok to drive and try to do their best to drive in a manner not to harm themselves, others, or obviously attract the attention of the cops.

Clearly what brent was doing was not that. But I do agree with your point.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I'm a cowboys fan

lol.

 

[fustercluck]

The mother of the dead player had requested it. It's nice to see you can pass judgement over Brent more righteously than the slain's own mother. :thumbsup:

That doesn't make it right, at all. Should Hernandez still be a Patriot if any of his victims' mothers said it was ok?

People have been suspended or booted off football teams for much much less than intoxicated manslaughter, and drug possession. It's a gots-to-go situation. I think any other team besides the Cowboys would have parted ways with Josh Brent long ago.

 

[Miramonti]

Apparently 27 NFL players have been arrested since the Superbowl.

Considering there are 32 teams and atleast 1600-1700 players in the league, that's less than 1.75%. Considering where so many of these guys come from, and that most of these arrests are probably minor, that's not squat.

 

[BUTCH1]

Well this too is an area we're not sure about due to peewee football through High School and College. I think there are sensible changes that need to be made to include forcing players to use the more protective helmets instead of making it voluntary.

Now, are Aaron Hernandez's problems a result of concussions? Probably not, it's probably a thug mentality and he may very well simply be a gangbanger that could play football.

There is more scrutiny to the acceptable lifestyle however that needs to be done. How many stories do we hear about football players getting in trouble at strip clubs and out partying? That all ties to the instantly rich young man with a lot of testosterone and time in the off-season. I wish I had an answer on how you mitigate that kind of risk for these kids, but part of it might be not giving them so much money and forcing trust funds for their pay. I'm not sure, but even with lotto winners we see a lot of ultimately self-destructive behavior when someone is made instantly rich.

Instead of paying with huge lumpsums the pay is done over a lifetime or 30 years etc.

I knew a guy who hit the FL lotto way back, got 6 mil. I was working in a restaurant at the time, he was one of the managers, he quit next day of course, bought a nice house in the best part of town then he and his wife proceeded to become raging alcoholics and wound up divorcing 3 yrs later, IDK how much $$ was left at that time, he was in his mid 30's.

 

[Nintendesert]

I knew a guy who hit the FL lotto way back, got 6 mil. I was working in a restaurant at the time, he was one of the managers, he quit next day of course, bought a nice house in the best part of town then he and his wife proceeded to become raging alcoholics and wound up divorcing 3 yrs later, IDK how much $$ was left at that time, he was in his mid 30's.

http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/a-financial-plan-for-misbehaving-lottery-winners/?_r=0

You see, I have a pretty good idea of what will happen to you. It’s not a secret. On average, 90 percent of lottery winners go through their winnings in five years or less.

That's insane. It's no different for I would bet that same % of professional athletes. We all know the stories of Mike Tyson, Allen Iverson and Curt Shilling. Maybe there's nothing that can be done, but it really needs to be looked at. There's a cultural problem with tons of money and not a tons of brains.

JJsole, you appear correct:

http://www.stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/123.nflviol.pdf

Thus, even though our initial assessment was that the NFL rates looked very high, we find them well below the rates for the general population.

 

[Dari]

http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/a-financial-plan-for-misbehaving-lottery-winners/?_r=0





That's insane. It's no different for I would bet that same % of professional athletes. We all know the stories of Mike Tyson, Allen Iverson and Curt Shilling. Maybe there's nothing that can be done, but it really needs to be looked at. There's a cultural problem with tons of money and not a tons of brains.

JJsole, you appear correct:

http://www.stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/123.nflviol.pdf

Allen Iverson is different. Someone that actually cared about him forced him to put away a nice chunk of his money. He can't touch it until he's like 50 or so.

 

[BUTCH1]

http://bucks.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/a-financial-plan-for-misbehaving-lottery-winners/?_r=0





That's insane. It's no different for I would bet that same % of professional athletes. We all know the stories of Mike Tyson, Allen Iverson and Curt Shilling. Maybe there's nothing that can be done, but it really needs to be looked at. There's a cultural problem with tons of money and not a tons of brains.

JJsole, you appear correct:

http://www.stat.duke.edu/~dalene/chance/chanceweb/123.nflviol.pdf

Yea, Curt, I can see investing SOME money into a "venture capital" investment but your entire net worth one chance? amazing, I always thought of him as someone with a bit more intelligence than that, he had to ask for his bloody sock back to auction off hoping for around 400K, wound up getting 90K,wow..

 

[kranky]

Hernandez' relative, sought by authorities in the Hernandez murder investigation, dies in car wreck.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...thaddeus-singleton-III-killed-in-crash-070213

Weird.

 

[dud]

Hernandez' relative, sought by authorities in the Hernandez murder investigation, dies in car wreck.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...thaddeus-singleton-III-killed-in-crash-070213

Weird.

Wonder if the "accidental" death was really an accident.

 

[MrScott81]

Sounding more and more like the Sopranos everyday