Kicking and screaming over someone getting tazed after not following orders from a peace officer will not accomplish anything.
I have learned that you can only get your blood pressure boiling over so many things in life. I dont feel sorry for the idiots.
Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: OCguy
Not sure how that applies here. I made a factual statement devoid of any opinion.
Hey it is cool. Sacrifice your values to keep up the face of your party.
I'd think anyone who loved this nation and the freedom we supposedly had would be outraged by this event. I guess true patriots are no longer willing to stand up against injustice and they just except them as "fact".
What does this have to do with political parties? Doesnt Obama run the border patrol anyway?
What would pretending that you wont get tazed if you dont cooperate with police accomplish?
What are people smoking tonight......
Hey don't get yourself all worked up. You will probably never ever meet this guy and based on your willingness to bend over and take it for your party, I am guessing you won't have the guts to question improper and unconstitutional searches.
I just have to remember next time you are ranting and raving about Obama taking away your rights and pissing on the constitution, that you would never actually act on it and actually don't really care about what the constitution says. You are just another sheep echoing what Rush Limbaugh tells you.
Answer this direct question or I will consider you a troll or just plain retarded:
How does this have anything to do with party affiliation, considering DHS is run by Obama, a democrat?
Fair enough as long as you answer my question directly at the end.
Many people consider strict "law and order" enforcement to be a conservative and Republican issue. This is one of those silly gray areas where a conservative would side with the Police or Border Patrol and argue that you have to bow to their authority.
I find this point hypocritical since most Republicans also claim to want to "strictly adhere to the constitution". I often have observed that Republicans only use this idea to denounce democrats and selectively chose to ignore it when it goes against one of their other principles.
My original comment was questioning how an Anti-Socialist, Freedom-loving, Constitution-worshiping person could be so willing to ignore this injustice against an American citizen. I assumed that your "the police are always right" feelings are coming from your Republican Partisan-ness and I called you out on it.
I personally find outrage that our country has been scared into submission so much so that a person who claims to want to follow the constitution to the letter would be willing to sacrifice it. I don't care what side of the spectrum you are on, these border patrol searchers are very questionable and taking his account he was illegally searched and then beaten for non-compliance. Sounds very Soviet Russian to me.
Now for my question, since I tried to answer yours to the best of my ability.
Do you consider yourself a Constitutionalist? Or are your comments because you are a Republican Shill (and by that I mean you agree with the republican party no matter what, however hypocritical it may be)?
If you do love the constitution as much as I hope you do, why does this not bother you?
EDIT: An equally outrageous event involving a Ron Paul Staffer and Airport Security. Text IMO, no different than this case.
Again, party affiliation has nothing to do with it. This guy was an idiot. Anyone who doesnt comply with an officer telling them to get out of a vehicle is stupid.
If you feel you are being wronged, take the proper steps later. Sue, file complaints, whatever it takes. If you try and be a hero or an imitation lawyer, only bad things can happen.
There are real incidents of abuse out there, where people who are complying get beat, harrassed, etc. That is who I personally feel sorry for.
Pulsar
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Guys, at the point where he is told he is being arrested and doesn't comply, he is breaking the law.
Despite what many of you armchair lawyers seem to believe, officers do NOT need to inform you of why you are being arrested. In fact, they can hold you up to 72 hours without telling you why you have been arrested. After that, however, they must charge you (and tell you at that point).
This guy was clearly acting as if he was hiding something. Any officer worth his salt would become suspicious. At the point where the man starts becoming accusatory and states that an officer is lieing, he's done. When he refuses to get out of the car - he's resisting arrest.
There was no beating here. There's just an attention whore who doesn't know the laws as well as he thinks he does.
Despite what many of you armchair lawyers seem to believe, officers do NOT need to inform you of why you are being arrested. In fact, they can hold you up to 72 hours without telling you why you have been arrested. After that, however, they must charge you (and tell you at that point).
This guy was clearly acting as if he was hiding something. Any officer worth his salt would become suspicious. At the point where the man starts becoming accusatory and states that an officer is lieing, he's done. When he refuses to get out of the car - he's resisting arrest.
There was no beating here. There's just an attention whore who doesn't know the laws as well as he thinks he does.
spacejamz
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gotta love the jury here...this thread and the thread about the kid who phoned in the bomb threats and was deprived of due process because of the Patriot Act are two perfect examples of morons here who fly off thandle and make wild accusations without knowing all of the facts or letting their hatred of police officers cloud their judgement...
continue on...
JSt0rm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...VetLeo&feature=related <----more pwnage
This guys problem is he was being detained. He didn't choose his words correctly and got stomped by these fascists. If during the initial stop he asked if he was being detained and not answerign any questions and only asking if he was free to go they would of probably let him go.
This guys problem is he was being detained. He didn't choose his words correctly and got stomped by these fascists. If during the initial stop he asked if he was being detained and not answerign any questions and only asking if he was free to go they would of probably let him go.
Jesus Christ as if our border patrol doesnt have enough to worry about we have assclowns out there trying to start shit so they can a reaction?
JSt0rm
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mugs
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Let me save you some trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/profile...ckpointUSA&view=videos <-- Even more wasted time lol
Just wondering, what law did he break? Why was he under arrest? At what point do Police own your body/car/soul? <shrug>
JSt0rm
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well he played into their hands. We went into secondary and from there argued and when the cop tells you yes you are under arrest then you have to comply. After the real cop showed up he should of complied. The amount of agro was uncalled for though.
"am I being detained?" "Am I free to go?" seems to short circuit the border guards lol.
"am I being detained?" "Am I free to go?" seems to short circuit the border guards lol.
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