Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

[Meghan54]

Grow up? You and your kind are the reason we're all in danger.

And what danger would that be? Personally, I don't feel like I'm in danger constantly, as you seem to be....are cowering under your bed again while you post?

 

[brycejones]

Grow up? You and your kind are the reason we're all in danger.

Man you are on a roll. What is this danger you speak of and what is her kind?

 

[Sea Ray]

Everything the Republicans are doing makes sense once you realize that all their 'small government' rhetoric is just bullshit. They love big government. They want big government. Government big enough to screw over liberals, Democrats, and anyone else who isn't them. Government big enough to deport 12 million illegal residents. Government big enough to lock up 4 million Americans in prisons. Government big enough to wage war anywhere in the world at any time. Government big enough to be in everyone's bedrooms. In fact, the only thing that Republicans mean by small government is that they don't want to pay for it. That is it.
Contrast that to the health care issue and their biggest complaint is the mandate, which forces them to pay for the health care they get. And that's thing they want, to not have to pay for what they get.
Unfortunately, the Democrats narrative on this is similarly skewed. They're screaming that people are going to lose their health care when what they're really losing is their ability to get health care insurance and thus pay for their health care.
Our country is locked in a battle for 'free stuff' that is being waged by both sides.

Republicans feel a good use of gov't is to enforce our laws. This principle kinda goes all the way back to our Constitution. That's why they support gov't deporting people here illegally and locking criminals up.

As for health care, the Democrat narrative of "taking away someone's healthcare" is a farce. Nobody's going to prevent an American from buying health insurance under the Republican plan. They might make you pay for it but it will be available.

 

[IronWing]

Republicans feel a good use of gov't is to enforce our laws. This principle kinda goes all the way back to our Constitution. That's why they support gov't deporting people here illegally and locking criminals up.

As for health care, the Democrat narrative of "taking away someone's healthcare" is a farce. Nobody's going to prevent an American from buying health insurance under the Republican plan. They might make you pay for it but it will be available.

Likewise, Lamborghinis are freely available for purchase by all Americans under the Republican plan.

 

[sactoking]

Republicans feel a good use of gov't is to enforce our laws. This principle kinda goes all the way back to our Constitution. That's why they support gov't deporting people here illegally and locking criminals up.

As for health care, the Democrat narrative of "taking away someone's healthcare" is a farce. Nobody's going to prevent an American from buying health insurance under the Republican plan. They might make you pay for it but it will be available.

Even under the most generous definitions of "available" the scenario of being denied insurance in the private market due to a preexisting condition and then getting placed on a massive wait list for a high risk pool fails to meet an "available" standard.

 

[Blackjack200]

Republicans feel a good use of gov't is to enforce our laws. This principle kinda goes all the way back to our Constitution. That's why they support gov't deporting people here illegally and locking criminals up.

Every government has to enforce its laws. That's tautological.

As for health care, the Democrat narrative of "taking away someone's healthcare" is a farce. Nobody's going to prevent an American from buying health insurance under the Republican plan. They might make you pay for it but it will be available.

Another way to say this is "Let them eat cake." I guess we'll see if people continue to tolerate it.

 

[Sea Ray]

Likewise, Lamborghinis are freely available for purchase by all Americans under the Republican plan.

I get your point. This is all about who's going to pay for it. I'm paying through the nose for mine. I could just not pay it and say that the gov't took it away from me but that wouldn't be accurate. My premiums went up 3 fold under Obama. Did he take way my healthcare?

 

[Sea Ray]

Even under the most generous definitions of "available" the scenario of being denied insurance in the private market due to a preexisting condition and then getting placed on a massive wait list for a high risk pool fails to meet an "available" standard.

That's not the Republican plan. First of all you won't be denied coverage if you don't lapse. If you do try to game the system and only buy it when you have a problem you can still get it but you'll pay through the nose for it. That's how it should be

 

[IronWing]

I get your point. This is all about who's going to pay for it. I'm paying through the nose for mine. I could just not pay it and say that the gov't took it away from me but that wouldn't be accurate. My premiums went up 3 fold under Obama. Did he take way my healthcare?

Three fold? Sounds like your employer cost shifted to you.

 

[Sea Ray]

Three fold? Sounds like your employer cost shifted to you.

I am my employer. Not everyone has someone else paying for your healthcare. I'd like to see a system where everyone has to buy it on their own. These folks getting it from their employer have no idea how screwed up the system is

 

[IronWing]

I am my employer. Not everyone has someone else paying for your healthcare. I'd like to see a system where everyone has to buy it on their own. These folks getting it from their employer have no idea how screwed up the system is

Getting it from their employer? It ain't a freebie. Workers earn it.

 

[Sea Ray]

Getting it from their employer? It ain't a freebie. Workers earn it.

So you work harder than the guy who works for a company that doesn't provide it? I'll remember that next time the Walmart folks moan and bitch about not getting healthcare. "Hey buddy, you didn't earn it. You just work for freakin' Walmart"

 

[IronWing]

So you work harder than the guy who works for a company that doesn't provide it? I'll remember that next time the Walmart folks moan and bitch about not getting healthcare. "Hey buddy, you didn't earn it. You just work for freakin' Walmart"

If workers didn't earn healthcare benefits, employers wouldn't pay them. Why on earth would you think it otherwise? Do you think businesses are charities?

 

[fskimospy]

So you work harder than the guy who works for a company that doesn't provide it? I'll remember that next time the Walmart folks moan and bitch about not getting healthcare. "Hey buddy, you didn't earn it. You just work for freakin' Walmart"

What are you talking about? Health insurance is part of your total compensation that you receive in exchange for your work. People aren't 'given' health insurance by their employer, it's part of their pay. By your logic you are 'given' health insurance by your customers.

 

[Paratus]

I'm going to guess the ACA originally had a process in place to prevent Sea Rays costs from rising 3x but that it was underfunded/blocked by republicans at the state or federal level.

If that is the case, (and I could definitely be wrong), Sea Ray should have no complaints paying it.

 

[Roflmouth]

I'm going to guess the ACA originally had a process in place to prevent Sea Rays costs from rising 3x but that it was underfunded/blocked by republicans at the state or federal level.

Sure it was. The major failings of the ACA, a colossal fuckup voted for by zero Republicans, are the fault of Republicans. When you get back to Earth, let us know.

 

[xthetenth]

Sure it was. The major failings of the ACA, a colossal fuckup voted for by zero Republicans, are the fault of Republicans. When you get back to Earth, let us know.

In a great many states, they are because Republicans in state offices rejected the expansion of subsides. For example, my mother would be receiving them, but Pat McCrory refused the funds. It has taken four years of bitter fighting to get her to somewhat realize that his action is directly responsible for her premiums, which of course was the point all along. Meanwhile up in civilized states, I've got plenty of friends for whom the ACA works great because it wasn't deliberately sabotaged in that state.

 

[jman19]

Grow up? You and your kind are the reason we're all in danger.

Snowflake alert. Go hide in your safe space until it's time to come out.

 

[xthetenth]

Grow up? You and your kind are the reason we're all in danger.

Oh god, please don't tell me you're one of the ones who's confused the Republican Party for Jesus.

 

[sactoking]

That's not the Republican plan. First of all you won't be denied coverage if you don't lapse. If you do try to game the system and only buy it when you have a problem you can still get it but you'll pay through the nose for it. That's how it should be

That absolutely is the Republican plan thanks to the Upton amendment.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th...28/text#toc-HD1D8DB12BB9E4C4D831333AF212DA81C

Section 132 of H.R. 1628 as passed amends 42 USC §301 to add a new title. Section 2202(a)(1) of the new title permits States to request funds and a waiver for, among other things, "[h]elping, through the provision of financial assistance, high-risk individuals who do not have access to health insurance coverage offered through an employer enroll in health insurance coverage in the individual market in the State." This is legislative speak for "implement high-risk pools."

What you're thinking of is Section 133 of H.R. 1628 which amends the Public Health Service Act to include a new Section 2710A. This section is the "Continuous Health Insurance Coverage Incentive."

What you're missing is that Section 136 of H.R. 1628, subtitle "Permitting States to Waive Certain ACA Requirements to Encourage Fair Health Insurance Premiums," skirts Section 133. Section 136 amends PHSA Section 2701 to allow a State to waive ACA requirements such as:

"PHSA §2701(b)(1)(C): In the case of a State that has in place a program that carries out the purpose described in paragraph (1) or (2) of Section 2202(a) of the Social Security Act..for health insurance offered in the individual market in such State...to-

(i) subject to paragraph (5), not apply any increase to the monthly premium rate that would otherwise apply under section 2710A to such individual for such coverage; and
(ii) instead, subject to paragraph (5)-

(I) apply subsection (a)(1) as if health status were included as a factor described in subparagraph (A) of such subsection; and
(II) not apply section 2705(b)."

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Translation: If you establish a high-risk pool in your state you can waive the guaranteed issue and "Continuous Health Insurance Coverage Incentive" laws and shunt all of your sick people into the high-risk pool. Considering high-risk pools are severely underfunded, there have historically been long waitlists to get in, even when the premiums are "affordable."

So this concept that coverage is "available" under the AHCA it just may not be afforable is false. The AHCA allows states to effectively deny the availability of coverage by implementing inadequate mandatory high-risk pools.

 

[Sea Ray]

What are you talking about? Health insurance is part of your total compensation that you receive in exchange for your work. People aren't 'given' health insurance by their employer, it's part of their pay. By your logic you are 'given' health insurance by your customers.

It is part of your pay. I hope you appreciate it

 

[Vic]

Likewise, Lamborghinis are freely available for purchase by all Americans under the Republican plan.

"In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." - Anatole France, 1894

 

[Vic]

Grow up? You and your kind are the reason we're all in danger.

What danger? Do we need to give Chancellor Trump emergency powers?

 

[Sea Ray]

Health experts predict that the result would be a sharp rise in premium increases for those with medical problems. Before the ACA became law, individuals with chronic diseases paid several times as much as others — if they could afford or be approved for a policy in the first place.

Concerned about the effect the MacArthur amendment would have on those with long-standing medical conditions, GOP Reps. Fred Upton (Mich.) and Billy Long (Mo.) crafted a provision Wednesday to provide $8 billion to help these patients pay for increased premiums and out-of-pocket costs. That money would be spread among whichever states decided to let insurers return to the practice of charging higher rates to certain customers. As part of a waiver application to HHS, a state would be required to include a "risk-sharing plan" — either recreating a so-called high-risk pool, which many states tried before the ACA — or designing a subsidy program for residents with preexisting conditions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-conditions-and-more/?utm_term=.bb89b087e776

I don't see anything here that they'd be denied coverage. Believe me, the WaPost would blast that as front page news if it was

 

[fskimospy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...g-conditions-and-more/?utm_term=.bb89b087e776

I don't see anything here that they'd be denied coverage. Believe me, the WaPost would blast that as front page news if it was

High risk pools existed before the ACA and were notorious for extremely high costs for enrollees as well as long waiting lists before you could even get in. Absolutely coverage would be denied in plenty of cases. If you don't believe me just wait until the CBO scores the new bill, I believe that should be out next week. I would bet money you will see millions of additional people losing insurance under their new plan, specifically due to this amendment.

The whole plan is a disaster made by people who have little or no understanding of the health insurance industry. The reason they made the AHCA to begin with was not to regulate the health care industry, it was to cut taxes for rich people. Everything else in it is simply an incompetent fig leaf.